2008-01-07, 23:58
  #7837
Bannlyst
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Skulle du med en neutral källa kunna visa vad banden innehöll? Vad jag läst mig till så innehöll dom förhör gjorda 2002 och har således inte mycket med namngivandet att göra. Om du har andra uppgifter så är jag intresserad.

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General Hayden said the agency stopped videotaping interrogations in 2002.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/washington/06cnd-intel.html?_r=3&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1 196993135-HmfZyvV1r92x3FPDmp6hyg&oref=slogin&oref=login

Om dom sluta med det 2002 så spelar det ingen roll vad dom säger efter det, ska vi lita på vad CIA skriver på ett papper och påstår "detta är vad dom har sagt"?. Vi behöver video bevis.
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2008-01-08, 00:07
  #7838
Medlem
never mind
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2008-01-08, 00:11
  #7839
Medlem
plast_i_gräsets avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av Destroy the NWO
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/washington/06cnd-intel.html?_r=3&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1 196993135-HmfZyvV1r92x3FPDmp6hyg&oref=slogin&oref=login

Om dom sluta med det 2002 så spelar det ingen roll vad dom säger efter det, ska vi lita på vad CIA skriver på ett papper och påstår "detta är vad dom har sagt"?. Vi behöver video bevis.

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The videotapes showed agency operatives in 2002 subjecting terror suspects

Vi ska naturligtvis inte lita på allt som CIA säger men att sitta och gissa gör imo ingenting bättre.
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2008-01-08, 00:17
  #7840
Bannlyst
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Ursprungligen postat av plast_i_gräset
Vi ska naturligtvis inte lita på allt som CIA säger men att sitta och gissa gör imo ingenting bättre.

Dom har bombad sönder länder pga "bevis" bara dom själva sett. Och att blanda in irak är som att vara i krig med japan och säga vi bombar skiten ur korea dom ser likadana ut som japaner. antar du är emot kriget?.
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2008-01-08, 00:22
  #7841
Medlem
plast_i_gräsets avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av Destroy the NWO
Dom har bombad sönder länder pga "bevis" bara dom själva sett. Och att blanda in irak är som att vara i krig med japan och säga vi bombar skiten ur korea dom ser likadana ut som japaner. antar du är emot kriget?.
Jag är emot alla krig.

Vad jag menade va att bara för att det fanns band som förstördes 2005(?) så kan man inte automatiskt hävda att dessa innehöll förhör som gav CIA förkunskap om 911 och namnen på kaparna.

Detta är om jag förstår det rätt taget helt ur luften och leder isf bara till ännu större förvirring om vad som verkligen hände.
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2008-01-08, 01:47
  #7842
Bannlyst
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Ursprungligen postat av plast_i_gräset
Jag är emot alla krig.

Vad jag menade va att bara för att det fanns band som förstördes 2005(?) så kan man inte automatiskt hävda att dessa innehöll förhör som gav CIA förkunskap om 911 och namnen på kaparna.

Detta är om jag förstår det rätt taget helt ur luften och leder isf bara till ännu större förvirring om vad som verkligen hände.

* The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (although they never bothered to tell the American people about that fact) 9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html?sub=new

* Investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House. http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/11/con05439.html

* Refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview informant Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/politics/08graham.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

* A former FBI translator who Senators Leahy and Grassley, among others, have claimed is credible, and who the administration has gagged for years without any logical basis -- has stated that "this administration knowingly and intentionally let many directly or indirectly involved in that terrorist act [September 11th] go free – untouched and uninvestigated" http://www.thememoryhole.org/spy/edmonds_letters.htm
http://antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=2960

Clinton 'let bin Laden survive': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2001%2F12%2F20%2Fwclin20. xml

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize: http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm

US agents told to back off bin Ladens: http://prisonplanet.com/us_agents_told_to_backoff.html

NY Times: Bush Warned bin Laden Would Hijack Planes
"The White House said tonight that President Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies in early August that Osama bin Laden was seeking to hijack aircraft..." http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/16/politics/16INQU.html

CNN: Bush briefed on hijacking threat before 9-11
"President Bush's daily intelligence briefings in the weeks leading up to the September 11 terror attacks included a warning of the possibility that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network would attempt to hijack a U.S.-based airliner, senior administration officials said Wednesday." http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/15/bush.sept.11/index.html

UK Guardian: Bush knew terrorists would hijack planes "George Bush received specific warnings in the weeks before 11 September that an attack inside the United States was being planned by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, US government sources said yesterday?. The memo received by Bush on 6 August contained unconfirmed information passed on by British intelligence in 1998 revealing that al-Qaeda operatives had discussed hijacking a plane to negotiate the release of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the Muslim cleric imprisoned in America for his part in a plot to blow up the World Trade Centre in 1993." http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,718312,00.html

Sunday Herald: Britain warned Bush to expect 9-11 al-Qaeda hijackings
"Britain gave President Bush a categorical warning to expect multiple airline hijackings by the al-Qaeda network a month before the September 11 attacks which killed nearly 3000 people and triggered the international war against terrorism." http://www.sundayherald.com/24822

Village Voice: Officials Warned of Plans to Attack DC, NY with Planes
"The U.S. government had received repeated warnings of impending attacks?and attacks using planes directed at New York and Washington?for several years. The government never told us about what it knew was coming."
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0332/mondo4.php

AP: 9/11 report, Rice conflict; Bush got specific data on threats
"...the briefing given to the president a month before the suicide hijackings included recent intelligence that al-Qaida was planning to send operatives to the United States to carry out an attack using high explosives."
http://www.sunspot.net/business/nationworld/bal-te.rice29jul29,0,2620591.story?coll=bal-business-headlines

MSNBC: White House Briefed on Imminent bin Laden Attack "One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike 'in the coming weeks,' the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: 'The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.'" http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3067907/

MSN: Condoleezza Rice's False Statement A: "The overwhelming bulk of the evidence was that this was an attack that was likely to take place overseas."
- White House National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, in a May 16 news briefing.

"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." Title of the CIA's Aug. 6 briefing memo to President Bush . . . http://slate.msn.com/?id=2066154

Newsweek: Day before 9-11, Pentagon Generals Cancelled Flights
"On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns." http://www.msnbc.com/news/629606.asp (länk död)

SF Gate: Mayor got 8-hour warning Before 9-11 Attacks ? September 12, 2001 For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

Florida State: Jeb Bush Declares Martial Law 9-7-01
"Based on the potential massive damage to life and property that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port, the necessity to protect life and property from such acts of terrorism..." http://www.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html

CBS News: Ashcroft Avoided Commercial Travel Prior to 9-11
"In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/printable303601.shtml

UK Independent: Taliban Mole Warning Ignored "Weeks before the terrorist attacks on 11 September, the United States and the United Nations ignored warnings from a secret Taliban emissary that Osama bin Laden was planning a huge attack on American soil." http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=331115

NY Times: "President Mubarek Warned US of Al Qaeda Plot”
"Egyptian intelligence warned American officials about a week before Sept. 11 that Osama bin Laden's network was in the advance stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, President Hosni Mubarak said in an interview on Sunday." http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30D16F73B5E0C778CDDAF0894DA4044 82

Village Voice: US Ignored France Warnings "A key point in unraveling why the FBI failed to follow up leads on Al Qaeda terrorism now centers on the Bureau's contemptuously brushing aside warnings from French intelligence a few days before 9-11." http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0222/ridgeway2.php

Intl. Herald Tribune: White House Ignored Arab Warnings "When the hubbub about what the White House did or didn't know before Sept. 11 dies down, Congressional or other investigators should consider the specific warnings that friendly Arab intelligence services sent to Washington in the summer of 2001." http://www.iht.com/articles/58269.html

UK News-Telegraph: Israel issued urgent warning of large-scale terror attacks
Israeli intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent."
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$52PMOXQAADW5PQFIQMGSFFOAVCBQ WIV0?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wcia16.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/09/16/ixhome
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2008-01-08, 01:48
  #7843
Bannlyst
NY Post: FBI Warned D.C. It Was A Target
"A Minnesota FBI agent investigating Zacarias Moussaoui testified yesterday that he notified the Secret Service weeks before Sept. 11 that a terror team might hijack a plane and 'hit the nation's capital.'" http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/57848.htm

Yahoo News: FBI Warnings Ignored
"An FBI supervisor, sounding a prophetic pre-Sept. 11 alarm, warned FBI headquarters that student pilot Zacarias Moussaoui was so dangerous he might 'take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center,' a congressional investigator said in a report Tuesday." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=512&ncid=716&e=4&u=/ap/20020924/ap_on_go_co/attacks_intelligence

Independent: America had 12 warnings of aircraft attack "American intelligence received many more clues before the 11 September attacks than previously disclosed, that terrorists might hijack planes and turn them into weapons, a joint congressional committee was told yesterday." http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=334633

Washington Post: 9/11 Probe Says Agencies Failed to Heed Attack Signs
"U.S. intelligence agencies received many more indications than previously disclosed that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network was planning imminent "spectacular" attacks in the summer of 2001 aimed at inflicting mass casualties." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36754-2002Sep18.html

Yahoo News: Spy Agencies Had Pre-9/11 Threats on U.S. Soil
"U.S. intelligence agencies picked up threats of attacks inside the United States and of using airplanes as weapons during the spring and summer before last year's Sept. 11 attacks, but were more focused on the possibility of an assault overseas, a congressional source said on Tuesday."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20020917/ts_nm/attack_congress_intelligence_dc

Vanity Fair: Bin Laden Relatives Secretly Evacuated From NY
"Patrick Tyler of the New York Times is reporting from Washington: 'In the first days after the attacks on Sept. 11, the Saudi Arabian ambasador to Washington, Prince Bandar ibn Sultan, supervised the urgent evacuation of 24 members of Osama bin Laden's extended family from the United States fearing they might be subjected to violence.'" http://www.guerrillanews.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=204363&page=1&vi ew=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&part=all

Sydney Morning Herald: Administration Told US agents “Back off bin Ladens” "US special agents were told to back off the bin Laden family and the Saudi royals soon after George Bush became president, although that has all changed since September 11, it was reported today."
http://www.old.smh.com.au/news/0111/07/world/world100.html

Ha'aretz Daily: CEO Says Workers Warned Hours Before World Trade Center Hit -- FBI Investigating "Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack."
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744

NY Times: White House Approved Secret Evacuation of Bin Ladens After 9-11
"Richard Clarke, who ran White House crisis team after Sept 11 terror attacks, says top White House officials personally approved evacuation of dozens of influential Saudis, including relatives of Osama bin Laden, from United States in days after Sept 11, when most flights were grounded." http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/090503A.shtml

Tampa Tribune: Bodyguards tell of Secret Bin Laden Flight
"The hastily arranged flight out of Raytheon Airport Services, a private hangar on the outskirts of Tampa International Airport, was anything but ordinary. It lifted off the tarmac at a time when every private plane in the nation was grounded due to safety concerns after the Sept. 11 attacks. "
http://www.dirtybush.com/connectthesedots.html

UK Minister: "Bush had Foreknowledge of 9-11 attacks" "...it is not surprising that some have seen the US failure to avert the 9/11 attacks as creating an invaluable pretext for attacking Afghanistan in a war that had clearly already been well planned in advance." http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1036588,00.html

Mycket mer här:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CRG204A.html
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2008-01-08, 05:15
  #7844
Bannlyst
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"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." Title of the CIA's Aug. 6 briefing memo to President Bush . . . http://slate.msn.com/?id=2066154

den länken var död, här är två andra

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/index.htm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/18/MNGHU66V491.DTL
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2008-01-08, 13:12
  #7845
Medlem
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Han har dessutom mig veterligen aldrig gjort en seriös analys av WTC7 raset, han har bara kommenterat en video han sett.
Jorå, lyssna.
http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/danny_jowenko_022207.mp3
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2008-01-08, 14:10
  #7846
Medlem
Bulawayos avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av KimNeilJung
Mmm men då åsyftade de väl att många försökte dölja sin egen inkompetens eller hur?
Det kanske går att tolka det så om man är på det humöret. Läs ett exempel.

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Men varför finns alla som är villiga att riskera sin karriär inom ett annat område än det de uttalar sig om? Fine, jag köper att många vill kämpa för det de uppfattar som sin saning. Och de är villiga att riskera sin karriär. Men rimligtvis borde det väl finnas folk som är kunniga inom t ex demoleringar som också vill stå upp för truthersrörelsen. Och om de är skrämda till tystnad, varför har man inte köpt Steve Jones eller Erik Hufschmidt också?
Nej jag köper inte att alla kunniga människor i världen är mutade eller är mer rädda om sin karriär än okunniga människor.
Däremot är jag övertygad om att många med lite halvsunkig karriär ser extra stålars i att skriva lite för truthersrörelsen. Tänker man två gånger ser man ju att du kan författa rätt mycket påhitt och lögner och faktiskt tjäna lite extrapengar.
Men Kim, de flesta människor är ju räddharar eller ryggradslösa blötdjur, det trodde jag alla kände till. De som är så pass modiga att de vågar anklaga regeringen för inblandning är en liten minoritet. Så är det bara, olyckligtvis. Jag skulle självklart gå ut i rampljuset om jag visste någonting, vilket jag tvivlar på att du skulle göra. Snarare skulle du nog ha varit med i själva planeringen av dådet
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2008-01-08, 16:15
  #7847
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Bulawayo
Det kanske går att tolka det så om man är på det humöret. Läs ett exempel.

Men Kim, de flesta människor är ju räddharar eller ryggradslösa blötdjur, det trodde jag alla kände till. De som är så pass modiga att de vågar anklaga regeringen för inblandning är en liten minoritet. Så är det bara, olyckligtvis. Jag skulle självklart gå ut i rampljuset om jag visste någonting, vilket jag tvivlar på att du skulle göra. Snarare skulle du nog ha varit med i själva planeringen av dådet

Vilken win/win-situation du ger dig själv där. Anledningen till att ingen som kan något har gått ut är för att de är rädda och därför finns konspirationen. Vad som än händer så har du rätt.
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2008-01-08, 16:19
  #7848
Medlem
Bulawayos avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av Majava
Vilken win/win-situation du ger dig själv där. Anledningen till att ingen som kan något har gått ut är för att de är rädda och därför finns konspirationen. Vad som än händer så har du rätt.
Men bara om du väljer att tolka min text så seriöst som det bara går. Du vet lika väl som jag att trams är det enda språk som Kim förstår.
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