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Ursprungligen postat av Lienno
Nej de talar om massvis med explosioner, som låter som granater.
Saltalamacia gick ut så fort han kunde, ändå hörde han minst 10.
So? Om ett stort plan träffat tornen, tror du det blir tyst och stilla då?
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Ursprungligen postat av Lienno
Om det skulle vara hissar som gav upphov till alla dessa kraftfulla smällar, som alla beskriver som explosioner eller bomber, hur kunde man då överleva de krasherna?
Det är väl ingen som påstått att
hissarna i sig var uteslutande det som lät som explosioner i byggnaderna (även om jag kan tänka mig att de lät som sådana)? Det har i varje fall aldrig varit min avsikt eller åsikt. Jag vet inte hur många hissar som faktiskt rasade, men jag citerade ju en del vittnen i en post till dig innan jul:
https://www.flashback.org/showpost.php?p=13544392&postcount=11667
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USA TODAY estimates that at least 200 people died inside World Trade Center elevators, the biggest elevator catastrophe in history. Some people plunged to their deaths after elevator cables were destroyed by the hijacked jets that crashed into the buildings. Others burned to death as flames shot down shafts. And some who were trapped inside stalled elevators died when the buildings collapsed.
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Elevator shafts worked like chimneys, funneling unbearable smoke to floors above the crashes. The shafts also channeled burning jet fuel throughout both towers. Fire moved not only up and down but also side to side, from shaft to shaft, unleashing explosions in elevator lobbies and in restrooms next to the shafts.
Gerry Wertz:
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"There was an explosion on top of the elevator as if someone had thrown a hand grenade. I jumped out, fell to the floor and looked behind me. I saw the elevator disintegrate in a ball of flames and fall down (the shaft). There was a big hole in the ceiling above the elevator. I saw the cables fold up as if they'd become detached. It took no more than two seconds."
That empty elevator probably plummeted 14 floors into a pit on the 77th floor.
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Bobbitt, the Port Authority supervisor contacting elevators in the north tower, says he spoke to people in about 10 stalled elevators. He contacted about 75 of the 99 elevators in the north tower before the other tower collapsed and he evacuated. Bobbitt could not contact about 20 elevators located above the 78th floor. The console showed no reading for those elevators, suggesting they were most likely destroyed.
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Brian Reeves, a 34-year-old security guard, was nearly killed while making the rounds in the lobby of 1 World Trade Center on September 11. He started to run after hearing an explosion that he said sounded like a missile, but he was knocked down by a fireball that roared down the elevator shaft.
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“I saw a couple of elevators in free fall; you could hear them whizzing down and as they crashed, there was this huge explosion, like a fireball exploding out of the bank of elevators,” Kravette said. “People were engulfed in flames.”
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/CantorFitzgerald.html
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Firefighter Geroge Kozlowski: We did see bodies that got pulled out of the elevators because all the elevators fell.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110308.PDF
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Firefighter Peter Fallucca: Before we got in, all the elevators were crashed down in the lobby, and we were going to the stairwell. See all the elevators were crashed down, big slabs of marble on the floor, all the ceiling tiles of the dropped ceiling was falling down, wires hanging. You see wires and stuff hanging inside the elevator shafts, because the doors were blown right off the elevators.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-04-elevator-usat_x.htm
http://911stories.googlepages.com/insidethenorthtower%3Awitnessaccounts%2Clobb
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Ursprungligen postat av Lienno
Dessutom var det bara ett fåtal hissar som gick hela vägen upp. De hade nödbromsar. Alla dessa hissar kan absolut inte ha ens börjat falla eftersom planet inte träffade alla vajrar. Så var kommer alla explosioner ifrån? Varför tar man det för givet att det inte är precis som de vittnar?
Jo, vi har dessutom dragit det här i tråden med. Tre hissar gick igenom hela tornen (2 passagerar och en lasthiss), dessutom hade flera av de lokala hissarna schakt som löpte genom större delar av tornen än vad de hämtade passagerare på:
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"Some of the shafts pulled double duty, carrying low-floor elevators, middle-floor elevators, and high-floor elevators, and my only fear was that one of the high-floor elevators would break loose and come tumbling down on us as we made our way to sixteen.” –FDNY Battalion Chief Richard Picciotto
Dvs, bara för att hissen bara gick att åka mellan ett fåtal våningsplan, betydde inte att schaktet var begränsat till dessa.
Flera av schakten hade mer än en hiss i sig.
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Elevator shafts worked like chimneys, funneling unbearable smoke to floors above the crashes. The shafts also channeled burning jet fuel throughout both towers. Fire moved not only up and down but also side to side, from shaft to shaft, unleashing explosions in elevator lobbies and in restrooms next to the shafts.
Hissdiagram:
https://www.flashback.org/showpost.php?p=6903347&postcount=1105
Beskrivning från tillverkarna:
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Ursprungligen postat av Otis
In addition to normal freight service one freight elevator in each of the towers will serve a total of 112 stops from the fifth basement to the 108th floor. It will rise 1,387 feet (422.8 meters) – 400 feet (122 meters) more than the former record rise in the Empire State Building. Ten elevators will travel from street level to five basement levels below the plaza.
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