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2019-09-28, 16:21
  #116701
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Motivbilder till mordet på OP saknas inte, varken inrikes eller utrikes.

OP måste ha känt sig väldigt splittrad.

Han drev frågan om kärnvapenfri zon i norden, han pratade mycket om fred och nedrustning.

Han stöttade Bofors , bland annat jobbade han hårt med den stora vapenaffären med Indien som sedermera blev en stor skandal särskilt i Indien.

Han var fredsmäklare mellan Irak och Iran samtidigt som Sverige sålde krigsmaterial till båda länderna.

Sverige sade sig vara neutrala men stödde NATO helt och hållet utan att den svenska allmänheten fick veta särskilt mycket.
Sovjetunionen visste en hel del om samarbetet och visste att vi stod på NATOS sida

Det är också möjligt att NATO började tvivla på om Olof Palme gick att lita på ?

Isostatpressar till DDR gjorde nog NATO med flera mäkta irriterde.


När du säger NATO gäller det våra grannländer Norge, Dannmark Västtyskland mm. ?
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2019-09-28, 16:36
  #116702
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Bröderna Poutiainen noterar i "Inuti labyrinten" att både Gösta Söderström och Christian Dahlsgaard är ense om att något ilanrop aldrig sändes av Peter Wikström. De vore dock synd att påstå att de två högsta kommissarierna i yttre tjänst imponerade i sin tjänsteutövning denna mordnatt.
Bläddrade lite i boken.

Bröderna P kritiserar PW för att han dröjt så länge med detta ilanrop, men man bör ju också ha i bakhuvudet att han befann sig under en mördarjakt, och att han troligen räknat med att det borde ha legat på GS ansvar att återkoppla en bekräftelse till SBC.
Att fladdra med radion under en språngmarsch där man dessutom har dragit vapen är kanske inte att begära.
Frågan borde snarare vara varför GS inte gjorde detta, eller beordrade någon av de kvarvarande poliserna att åta sig uppgiften.

Anmärkningsvärt nog så har bröderna P ett mycket ingående samtal med PW, där de i detalj går igenom mötet med YN/AZ, och de verkar i PW:s version som om de fått ett signalement, men bröderna P frågar inte ens vilket signalement som uppgavs, och vilket PW uppgett att han sänt ut.
Så vitt jag kan se.
Enl PW var AZ inte berusad.

När de kommer till Borgnäs intervju av Yvonnes i radioprogrammet ”Kanalen”.
Framkommer en helt annan historia. De har inte alls samtalat med poliserna som bara sprungit förbi nere i gränden. Enl henne var AZ berusad.
Bröderna P:s slutsats blir därmed att PW ljuger.

Men jag konstaterar att AZ bekräftar PW:s version snarare än Yvonnes version. En förfrågan om signalement har ställts, ett tiosekunders samtal har ägt rum.
AZ uppger att han missuppfattat vem som polisen jagat, och trodde att det handlade om vittnet Lars J.

Om bröderna P ändå kommit på att ställa den mycket centrala frågan om vem av dem som lämnat signalement, och vilket signalement som lämnats hade ju detta blivit klarlagt.

Att Söderström och Dalsgård inte hade sina bästa stunder här är ju tydligt, men ilanropet verkar ju ha gått dem förbi av någon anledning. Kanske gick den inte ut på en öppen kanal?

Kanske även Söderström sände ett ilanrop där endast den knapphändiga informationen om skottlossning och att mördaren flytt gått ut, och att det är detta anrop som Thornestedt och Helin uppfattat?

Det finns så många motsägelser i detta, och om inte ens Yvonne och Ahmed är överens blir det ju fullständigt omöjligt att få någon rätsida på frågan.
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2019-09-28, 16:57
  #116703
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När du säger NATO gäller det våra grannländer Norge, Dannmark Västtyskland mm. ?

Ja, jag tänker NATO som helhet med alla sina medlemsländer.
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2019-09-28, 18:26
  #116704
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Delar av den artikel williamsson vill att stocklassa skall läsa (se ovan):
'I want to read that book'
D September had been on the trail of nuclear military technology exchanges between France & the SA government.She had had meetings with sources in the arms trade whom she kept secret even from her private secretary,had phoned the highest regions in the ANC to come & stop what was going on,had planned to inform the anti-apartheid arms sanctions campaign,& had been shot,very professionally,five times in the head,before she could go any further. Pahad had confirmed to me,in 95,that she had "stumbled on nuclear issues".All this had been published in 98 in the Mail & Guardian.

There was a ripple in the silence following this article when TRC investigator,detective JA Kjellberg (who had been seconded to the TRC by the Swedish government) tried to take the matter further.However,right after he had gone to France to follow up on the arms deal trail in the D September case,he was fired & sent home to Sweden.Kjellbergs reports are contained in boxes that have been moved to the National Intelligence Agency's custody,where they remain inaccessible to the public to date.

The same arms wheeler dealer whom Kjellberg & I had investigated in the D September case had befriended SWAPO-man Lubowski a few months before his murder.The arms dealers' name was Alain Guenon.He had high-profile links with the presidential Mitterrand family in France & had also,posing as a socialist supporter of ANC & SWAPO,managed to become an advisor to the ANC's W Mandela & T Sexwale.Another 'friend' who had become close to Lubowski @more or less the same time as Guenon was Vito Palazzolo,the Italian banker sought by Italian (& other) authorities for mafia-links & money laundering.

Casino rights
Unbeknownst to Anton Lubowski however,Guenon,& Palazzolo knew each other: they were later identified by the international research agency Kroll as long st&ing business partners in a diamond mine in Angola.Both were (also secretly) good friends of the rogue,smuggling,apartheid military establishment.

Guenon was linked to Military Intelligence's Directorate for Covert Collection (DCC) through a joint partnership with the DCC's operative R Colesky in a front company in Namibia,Spectrum Furniture.The company was selling furniture to SWAPO for their new government offices.It was this furniture deal that came with a 'facilitation fee' for Lubowski,in cheques that were later proven to originate from South Africa's military intelligence.

According to two independent sources in Windhoek,the 'facilitation fee' was @the core of the financial issues that Lubowski was 'sorting out' on the day of his murder.Friends of Lubowski also confirm that Palazzolo & Guenon had dem&ed that the SWAPO advocate deliver certain business contracts in the fields of casino rights,diamonds,& oil transport to them.They report that Lubowski had told them,in distress,that he "didn't want to do all that these people wanted from him".But how to say no,when he had already accepted their-later shown to be tainted-money?

Still,Lubowski worked the entire day of his murder on the books that contained entries related to the 'facilitation fee' he had accepted,& he told his comrade,fellow SWAPO-leader Geingob,in a very private conversation about the 'financial issues'.It was @the end of this day,after the DCC's R Colesky had visited his house to ask what time Lubowski would be home,that 'the people's lawyer' was shot dead in his front yard.Colesky would later surface again as a fellow director in several of SA arms deal middleman Bredenkamp's companies.

The TRC attributed both the September & Lubowski murders to an apartheid 'death squad' called the Civil Cooperation Bureau (CCB),&,in Lubowski's case,specifically to individuals within this CCB who had been former policemen in South Africa.However,the former policemen who were named in the case (Maree, Burger, Botha, van Zyl,among others) had no record of ever having carried out,or organized,professional murders.Their records consisted of harassment,beatings,torture & other 'dirty tricks'.

Skills of a certain kind
D September,Anton Lubowski & C Hani (& also D Webster,the academic who had -according to Mail & Guardian's predecessor,the Weekly Mail-stumbled on SA military intelligence smuggling operations near the Kruger Park,& whose murder in 89 was similarly attributed to 'the CCB') were cornered in a spot without witnesses,shot in the head,& died immediately.Carrying out such a murder needs skill & experience of a kind that an average SA policeman simply did not possess.

Former military Special Forces operative Bawden confirmed in an interview in the late nineties that he & his fellow soldiers did not think highly of 'the CCB'."We were laughing @these CCB policemen.They were parading around,sweating & in wigs,in the heat in the frontline states.We knew that they were just a label.For when an operation needed to be denied." SA Special Forces operatives were often mercenaries,& they were indeed used,sometimes privately,for operations that needed to be denied.Irish mercenary Acheson,of Special Forces army battalion Recce 3,was identified in a Namibian inquest as Lubowski's real assassin.

He disappeared in 91 & is now thought dead.An army buddy of Acheson's (name known to ZAM) has told a confidante that he was also involved in the Lubowski murder & that the order came from a SA government minister who felt that Lubowski was 'messing with his business'.

Like the Afrikaans policemen in 'the CCB',the man officially identified as the murd. of C Hani,J Walus,was also no professional hit man.Witnesses who identified a second man on the scene of the crime,a man with actual secret service & gun runners links,pRably had something to say worth listening to."But police came @night to scare the children,mess up my place & tell me that I should stay away from trying to testify",recounts a witness who saw the second murd."I gave up after that".

The C Hani murder docket shows to which extent the murder investigation was manipulated to result in the sole convictions of Walus & Derby-Lewis.Not only did the investigating officers ignore witnesses like the neighbour quoted above,they also refrained from interrogating J Walus' employer,chemical trucker P Jackson.The Security Police ("who were in charge of the investigation," according to Brixton Murder & Rbery Squad's chief inspector M Holmes),told Holmes' men not to bother exploring the man or his arms trade & secret service contacts.This,even though a list of these contacts (including an Armscor man called Colin Stier) is also neatly contained in the docket."Jackson is cooperating fully & does not need to be questioned," the instruction to the police officers says.Another police instruction,on the authority of Security police Captain J.H.de Waal,states that "information about P Jackson will not be followed up".

Walus' diary,prominently listing several reminders to 'Phone P' in the run-up up the murder,has disappeared from the docket altogether,though a copy of it (missing the page of the week of the murder itself) is still there.

NIA assistance
What also casts doubt on the police findings is the fact that the murder scene in the Hani case was,within seconds of the shooting,professionally shielded by a self-confessed operative of the National Intelligence Agency.M Buchanan,who happened to live right opposite C Hani,was first to arrive in the yard where he lay shot.(In the world of secret services,it is customary that a technically trained operator 'sweeps' the murder scene,to prepare it for the police only to find what they're supposed to.) Buchanan,in a telephone conversation with me,& later in a faxed written statement,did not go into his actual role @the scene,but stated clearly that he worked for the "new intelligence service" & that he had "helped avert civil war." (It was also Buchanan who threatened violence & "Gerrie Nel & the Scorpions" against both Jacana & myself.)

Chief Inspector M Holmes of the Brixton Murder & Rbery Squad was,throughout,(weirdly) happy with the 'assistance' his team had received from the Security Police."We didn't need to look @all the evidence," he told me,"because the Security Police put everything we needed in a box for us to work with." An important part of that evidence was the 'right-wing gun' that was used in the murder,that originated from violent right-wing extremist Piet 'Skiet' Rudolph's armory.The gun had been procured by C Derby-Lewis upon J Walus' insistence."C was asked repeatedly by Walus to get him a gun & that's what he did" Inspector Holmes told me.

There is no indication that Derby-Lewis ever did anything else & actually,by procuring a 'right-wing gun',Derby-Lewis worked to cement the cover story of a plot of a few right-wing individuals,rather than to assist with the actual murder.Walus didn't need a gun: according to the case docket,he already owned four guns @the time.His,Walus',successful insistence on getting a right-wing gun,went a long way to paint the hapless right-wing fanatic Derby-Lewis as the 'mastermind' of the Hani murder.(Ironically,C Derby-Lewis may well be under the impression that he was,in fact,a mastermind.He did get the gun,after all.)

A big debt
…”The Walus family incurred a big debt to me in the process," Jackson told me,on the one occasion when I managed to pin him down."Walus was paying it off to me on their behalf.



Det här är viktigt.
Tänk att jag skulle hamna där när jag är överens med Craig Williamson.
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2019-09-28, 19:07
  #116705
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'I want to read that book'
D September had been on the trail of nuclear military technology exchanges between France & the SA government.She had had meetings with sources in the arms trade whom she kept secret even from her private secretary,had phoned the highest regions in the ANC to come & stop what was going on,had planned to inform the anti-apartheid arms sanctions campaign,& had been shot,very professionally,five times in the head,before she could go any further. Pahad had confirmed to me,in 95,that she had "stumbled on nuclear issues".All this had been published in 98 in the Mail & Guardian.

(...)
The TRC attributed both the September & Lubowski murders to an apartheid 'death squad' called the Civil Cooperation Bureau (CCB),&,in Lubowski's case,specifically to individuals within this CCB who had been former policemen in South Africa.However,the former policemen who were named in the case (Maree, Burger, Botha, van Zyl,among others) had no record of ever having carried out,or organized,professional murders.Their records consisted of harassment,beatings,torture & other 'dirty tricks'.

(...)
A big debt
…”The Walus family incurred a big debt to me in the process," Jackson told me,on the one occasion when I managed to pin him down."Walus was paying it off to me on their behalf.



Det här är viktigt.
Tänk att jag skulle hamna där när jag är överens med Craig Williamson.

Vad har det med MOP att göra? Och vad är det du är överens med CW om?

Här är länken till artikeln i sin helhet
DULCIE, HANI, LUBOWSKI - A STORY THAT COULD NOT BE TOLD
https://zammagazine.com/chronicle/chronicle-0/9-dulcie-hani-lubowski-a-story-that-could-not-be-told
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Senast redigerad av Utredaren 2019-09-28 kl. 19:22.
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2019-09-28, 20:11
  #116706
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Delar av den artikel williamsson vill att stocklassa skall läsa (se ovan):


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Vad har det med MOP att göra? Och vad är det du är överens med CW om?

Här är länken till artikeln i sin helhet
DULCIE, HANI, LUBOWSKI - A STORY THAT COULD NOT BE TOLD
https://zammagazine.com/chronicle/chronicle-0/9-dulcie-hani-lubowski-a-story-that-could-not-be-told
Det Williamson ville att Stocklassa skulle läsa.
Fågel, eller fisk?
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Senast redigerad av Gothus 2019-09-28 kl. 20:22.
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2019-09-28, 20:22
  #116707
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Det Williamson ville att Stocklassa skulle läsa.
Varför skulle han vilja att Stocklassa skulle läsa detta, och hur vet du att han postat denna artikel till honom?
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2019-09-28, 20:25
  #116708
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Varför skulle han vilja att Stocklassa skulle läsa detta, och hur vet du att han postat denna artikel till honom?
Därför att du och jag bedömer trovärdighet.
I det här fallet är Craig Williamson mer trovärdig än Stocklassa. MOP
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2019-09-28, 20:38
  #116709
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Därför att du och jag bedömer trovärdighet.
I det här fallet är Craig Williamson mer trovärdig än Stocklassa. MOP
Ja, det är också min bedömning. Jag tror definitivt inte Williamson skulle ge Stocklassa ett hårstrå till lösningen om han själv var involverad i MOP.
Det strider mot all logik.
Konklusionen av detta blir att Williamsson faktiskt tror på en motivbild som han ärligt försöker förmedla, eller att han försöker föra den stackars Stocklassa bakom ljuset.
Vilket är det mest sannolika?

Eller också ligger det inbäddad information i länkarna?
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Senast redigerad av MacMackay 2019-09-28 kl. 20:48.
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2019-09-28, 21:41
  #116710
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Efterlysning:
Vittnesmål om känd högerextremist i bil med kompanjon som vittne iakttag i anslutning till mordet.

Jag vet att jag har den här uppgiften nånstans men f-n vet var, börjar bli desperat. Nån som har en länk, ett papper eller en kladdig servett med info om detta... börjar trötta på mig själv och min oordning.
Mvagrippa du brukar ha koll, känner du igen detta??
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Senast redigerad av DVDetektiven 2019-09-28 kl. 21:45.
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2019-09-28, 21:49
  #116711
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Tunnander pratar ubåtar och Palme, högintressant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiziqnUNXWU&fbclid=IwAR3LFGo-Ha93_W_OF3zVhdclURJ1VIqaPKw83pueg7HpkZASbnCa4X587s U
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2019-09-28, 23:45
  #116712
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Tunnander pratar ubåtar och Palme, högintressant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiziqnUNXWU&fbclid=IwAR3LFGo-Ha93_W_OF3zVhdclURJ1VIqaPKw83pueg7HpkZASbnCa4X587s U
Absolut.

”Vilket Sverige? Det politiska- eller det militära?”

Jag tror att Carl Bildt m.fl. vet en hel del om det här.

Konstitutionsutskottet?
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