Ateisternas barnsliga argument emot Gud...

Så ni verkligen tror att det är en makroevolution som har skapat jorden från ingenting.
Seriöst massa klumpar som formas utan balans kollapsar ju något måste hålla ihop det.
Om ni säger gravitation så hur skapades den då? den kan inte heller komma från ingenstans.
Nånting måste skapa den för att det ska funka och om Gud då skapa tid samtidigt som form och balans.
Då får man en balans av gravitationen som sedan hålls ihop av Guds kraft som sedan skapade jorden.
Men människan kan inte skapas av en mikroevolution eftersom det är bakterier för det mesta i mikroskopiska atomer och som ni har märkt så kan inte atomer skapa en människa. För då hade en mutation hänt vilket inte funkar. Ni har sett i världen att man måste sätta på en tjej och göra henne på smällen för att kunna få barn. Om då det hade skapats av mikroevolution så hade det inte heller funkat eftersom det skapas då av flytande små bakterier vilket klonas och människan skapades inte på det sättet. Om människan hade skapats på sådant sätt så hade vi inte behövt kvinnor för att få barn utan vi hade kunnat "skapa" det genom mikroevolution.

Om vi då skapas genom en molekylär mikroevolution så ska det skapas genom mutation av bakterier vilket lär inte funka för då hade man absolut inte behövt kvinnan för att göra barn utan då hade man klonat folk rätt av genom molekylära mutationssammansättningar. Men nej så funkar det inte.

Cosmic Evolution. The development of space, time, matter and energy from nothing.

Det är det big bang påpekar nu ska vi se om detta stämmer.
Big bang är en cosmic evolutions teori som inte har någon basfakta. Här har ni något att läsa om detta så kallad big bang och den kosmiska lögnen.

This is the origin of time, space and matter. The "Big Bang" they call it. This, they say, is where everything came from. Did you know, there is no evidence that this did or even could have happened? Pray tell, how can nothing become something? Please tell me just how everything that's in this entire universe right now could once upon a time (as they tell us) have been compressed into a tiny dot the size of a period (full-stop) on this page you're reading now? That (just so that you get the picture) is smaller than a match head. And no, I'm not sucking this out of my thumb. I'm using their very words. Then they tell us that this dot began to spin. Don't laugh. They tell our kids that it happened just like that. But wait, that's not the end of it. They tell the kids that this dot began to spin "of it's own accord." Why did it spin? They don't know. Who or what decided that it should spin? They don't know. In what medium was it? No answer. What force or energy caused it to spin? No one knows. But wait; here comes the juicy piece: It supposedly spun so fast that it exploded - and this is what they call the "big bang." It must really have been some "nothing" that made it spin because (according to them) it then flung all the pieces of 'whatever-it-was' that came from 'who-knows-where' (perhaps from that very "nothing" they're so reticent to talk about) into the "suddenly existing" and "patiently-waiting-for-this-very-event" deep space. My question now: where did said "space" come from? You guessed it, they don't know either.

Okay, so let's humour them and suppose just for a moment that it did happen: Just a niggling little question that I simply can't shake out of my mind: How come every single one of those billions of planets out there that resulted from the wave of their "magic" wand (commonly known as imagination) are perfectly round? Can we get an answer? Have you ever seen the chaotic fragments and twisted debris resulting from an explosion? Evolutionists obviously have never seen anything like that. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Where have they been? Heads in the sand? So, we are simply expected to believe that this 'Big Bang' of theirs was the one and only unique explosion ever to happen in the whole realm of time and space where every single major piece of debris ended up round. Again; Amazing! You see, there's not even atmosphere out there that could have 'shaped' them so perfectly. We're not even asking why there are neatly spaced and organized clusters of planets out there with billions of light years of empty space between them and the other (also very orderly) clusters and how every single one of these elegantly precise groupings is in perfect balance and precise attraction, gravity, and miraculous head-spinning concurrence within its own galaxy and then also in total harmony with the rest too.

At this point we are told that these glowing balls of molten lava-like planets started cooling off. Now the most inexplicable thing happens (man, I love fairy tales): It starts to rain. Don't laugh! That is what they tell us. Where do the clouds come from? Blank stares. Where does the water come from? Thumbs start twiddling. Where does the gravity come from that causes the water to fall towards the earth? The silence thunders. What kept the earth suspended in space? What kept all these rotating planets and stars and galaxies that are spinning in mind-boggling exactitude and in intricately and almost unbelievably complicated cycles and ellipses and in astronomical light-year courses that mathematically correlate so amazingly from colliding with us here on little old planet Earth? Who (or what) worked out the stupefying, ingenious mathematical precision that keeps this intricate and complex great cosmic clockwork in such astonishingly precise harmony? Of course, none of them are answering.

They of course believe that it's all totally by "chance" and by means of billions of "magical" and "beneficial" "accidents" that the Earth revolves exactly 366 times in one orbit of the Sun and that the Earth is exactly 366% larger than our Moon and that it takes the Moon exactly 27,32 days to orbit the Earth (every time) and that the Moon is (you guessed it) exactly 27,32% of the Earth's size. The most amazing and inexplicable "accident" of course is that the Moon is also exactly 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun and is also exactly 400 times smaller than the Sun and in 366 orbits of the Moon, the Earth experiences - wait for it...exactly 10,000 days. (these figures on the Moon from the book "Who Built The Moon?" by Knight and Butler). What caused the Earth to rotate exactly to the millionth split second so that the seasons could follow in perfect harmony? Hey! Anyone home? Who put the balance and cycles of the planets in our Solar System together in the mind-boggling precision where one single degree variation from any one of them would have spun the rest into cataclysmic oblivion? No one want to give us any glib answers anymore? Seeing we've had no answers from them on the above, what on earth do they know - if anything?

Well, then it rained for "billions" or years, so the yarn continues, until the mountains were ground to dust by the rain and this dust was swept down to the sea by the rain water. And then, one day; guess what? You'll never guess? You will? Well, for the sake of those who have not wasted good money on their books, we'll just tell what happened next. Believe it or not, but "life" suddenly "appeared" in this "organic" or "pre-biotic" "soup" as they call it, and then simply "evolved" (their pet word) into everything we see today. Billions of trillions of questions we could ask here all go unanswered, but guess what? They believe it (so they say) and have the craven gall to put it into science text books and to dish it up to our kids as fact.

We need to note that their whole hypotheses is in stark violation of the First Law Of Thermodynamics (that every recognized scientist on earth believes and subscribes to) which states that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Stop there for just one moment. In the light of the above definition, would they please inform us (us, the 'really dumb believers') where all that energy out there in the vast expanse of the universe came from? Surely it all must have come from within that little spinning dot of theirs too, not so? That's what that definition implies. Where else could it have come from, seeing they refuse to believe in any Creator? You see, they have no proof or even plausible theories about any of their fables, and we could spend the rest of our lives asking questions that they never seem to be able to answer. But does that phase them? Obviously not. Why on earth should it? They simply go ahead in their ruthless lying ways and dish all that balderdash up as fact. And know what? Your children and mine read this garbage and then start questioning their own faith and the word and integrity of their parents, their pastors and the very Word of God. And do you know what's so sad? They're getting away with it due to the spineless complacency of Christians.

A confession at this late stage: I also believe in a "big bang." Oh yes I do. Let me explain: There was a time when we thought that the smallest things around were atoms. Then they split the atom and we found protons, neutrons and electrons. To cut a very long story short; the smallest thing on earth (that incidentally can't be reduced or dissected any further) had finally been found to be sound waves. Yes, everything in this tangible universe is made up of sound waves that oscillate at different speeds. Now isn't that interesting. Every piece of furniture for instance is nothing but sound waves oscillating at different speeds. So what, you ask. Here's what: My Bible tells me in the very first chapter that "God said...and there was..." He spoke this universe into being. The words that came out of His mouth was that initial Big Bang. They literally exploded into substance the moment He spoke them and they went forth creating the deepest realms of space, creating time and tangible, real, physical galaxies that are made up of stars and planets and everything else that we find out there now.

The very word "universe" is made up of the words "uni" which means "one" and "verse" which means "a spoken sentence." So "universe" by its very definition found in the meaning of the words its composed of is a single spoken sentence. What a bang! So where else do I find this in the Scriptures? One must always let Scripture interpret Scripture. Every wise scribe and teacher of the infallible Truth knows that. Well, here it is: Hebrews 4:12 tells us that "The Word of God is alive and active..." Are those tiny particles of sound moving? Sure, they are. Does that mean that they are alive? Yes it does. The Word of God is alive! What's the first thing one looks for when one tries to determine whether an accident victim is still alive? Even before one feels for a pulse, one looks to see whether he is breathing. Well, this universe is surely breathing. Hebrews 1:3 tells us that He us "upholding (to bear, carry or to be driven) all things by the Word of His power." (emphasis mine). His Word is active right now. Jesus tells His disciples in John 6:63 that "the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life (dzo-ay)"

And yes, the evolutionists are right about something at least (and little do they know it); the whole universe is once again going to go out with a "big bang." Listen to the Apostle Peter; "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise (Big Bang), and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up...then...all these things shall be dissolved..." (2 Pet. 3:10-11) (brackets and emphasis mine). This world came in with a Big Bang and it will go out with a Big Bang too. They say that this universe is going to implode on itself again one day to reduce back to that ridiculous little "period on this page" they talk about. Are they right? Probably, but not the way they think. Yes, God's Word is going to be returning to Him alright. How can I say that? Because He said so. "So shall My Word be that goeth forth out of My mouth; it shall not return unto Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it" (Is. 5:11).

So much for their so-called "Cosmic Evolution."

Chemical Evolution:

This is the origin of higher elements from hydrogen. They say that from the so-called "Big Bang" (that none of them saw or can prove), you get hydrogen and possibly helium. A question to them; where do the others come from? Perhaps they've noticed that there are 92 of them and a few synthetic ones too. Have they got an answer? Of course not.

Stellar and Planetary Evolution:

Know what? No one has ever seen a star or a planet form. Stars have blown up (novas and supernovas) but no one has ever seen one form. They believe this. However, they have no evidence for it at all. But it is dished up as "fact" too.

Organic Evolution:

This is the Origin of Life. How did life get started from non-living material? The evolutionists ultimately have to believe in spontaneous generation because they have no alternative. How sad that they have to believe and propagate something that was proved wrong and indeed impossible 160 years ago. Sorry, but for their information; It just did not happen!

Macro Evolution:

This is changes between major kinds of animals. Know something? No one has ever seen this happen. There is zero evidence that a dog can produce a non-dog or that a non-dog came from a dog. Huge dogs and horses, for instance, have been specially bred and interbred to reduce to tiny miniature dogs and horses - but they're still dogs and they're still horses. How can a carrot come from an elephant or an oak tree from a mouse? You think my question is ridiculous? Well try this one; the evolutionists believe that you and I came from a rock - and 4,6 billion years ago.

Everything they believe just happened "by chance," you see. Oh really? The little retina of your eye is less than one square inch, yet it contains over 137,000.000 light sensitive cells and every one of them works perfectly. That's the result of 137 million connections in one square inch, in case you're wondering. Who wired all that up? Chance? Only total fools would believe that. There are far more connections in one human brain than all the electronic connections that have ever been made in all the earth in the history of humanity, believe it or not. Was that another product of "unbelievable" and very "lucky" and "consistent" and "infallible" and "never-erring" "chance" too?

They tell the kids at school and the students at universities that DNA "proves" evolution. They don't say "how" because they obviously don't know "why." No one does. But it sounds intelligent to say it, so who cares whether its true or not? A seared conscience has no morals.

They lie too when they claim to have evidence for evolution from molecular biology. What they don't tell the kids is that the DNA in the human body is still the most complicated substance known to man. And each human being has over 50 trillion (a trillion is 1000 billion) cells in their body and each of these cells again contain 46 chromosomes. All of them would fill two table spoons and if these little wisps were to be laid end-to-end, they would stretch to the moon and back several times. The code in the chromosomes is even more complex and holds more information than all the computer programs ever written by man combined.

The Psalmist (who incidentally did not even have a microscope) could figure out the enormity of the creation and the frightening wisdom of the Creator and simply had to exclaim, "I will praise Thee: for I am fearfully and wonderfully made."

Take note of this staggering fact: From conception to birth 15,000 cells per minute are added to a baby in the womb and this continues non-stop for 9 months. Each one of these cells again is more complicated than a space shuttle. Imagine that assembly line, producing 15,000 space shuttles per minute for 9 months without making one single mistake. The probability of this all ever happening even once by chance in one single cell in DNA formation is calculated to be one chance in 10 to the power of 119,000. To give you an idea of how much that is, consider that the diameter of the total known universe, as far as Hubble can see, when measured in inches, is only 10 to the power of 28. Chance? Think again mister Darwin.

Moving from the micro to the macro for a moment: Did you know that there are billions of galaxies out there that make our own Milky Way look small? The latest speculation is that there are more galaxies out there than there are grains of sand on earth. Frightening. In this vast orchestrated and marvelous machine that runs smoother than a Rolls Royce engine, our earth is traveling in its orbit around the sun at the speed of 1,500,000 miles per day. Did you know that at this speed, it would still take the earth 250 billion long years to just make it once around our own little Milky Way with its 250 billion stars? Little? Yes, "little." Just to cap these astounding facts, I must draw your attention to just one of those giant stars in the remotest corner of known space. It is called Alpha Herculis. How big is it? Glad you asked; It is 25 times larger than our Earth's circumference around our sun. This means, in plain English, that 25 times the circumference of our solar orbit would have to be placed end to end to equal just the diameter of this gigantic star. The flaming flares alone that this giant shoots into space are millions of miles long. Imagine the terrifying ear-splitting roar of this boiling cauldron of massive flame that thunders for millions of light years into unending eternity. Did you know that if we were able to travel at the speed of 28,000 miles per hour, then it would take us eleven long years to fly through this star (on the diameter line) from the one side to the other.

But hold on to your seats; even this colossus of incomprehensible proportion is in turn still minute in comparison to others that are just now coming into Hubble's sights. These sinister and terrifying sightings of extremely large and extremely hot objects in deepest space have been labeled Quasars. Now these are the big guns. In a galaxy of typical size, 100 billion suns produce less energy than a single one of these Quasars. Is that big? We'd better believe it. This is mind blowing stuff. This is gargantuan cosmic scale beyond mere mortal comprehension. These are dimensions beyond the capability of computers to plumb.

There are also bodies out there that are called Pulsars. These are so dense that a piece the size of a dollar coin would weigh over 100 million tons. See how popular you'd be if you dropped that on to someone's foot. And our evolution friends still try to inform our children that all this was compressed into a dot smaller than a match head. Do you still believe them? I've just got to believe that these guys are partial to fairy tales!

It all just "happened" they tell us. "All by itself" they tell us. Billions of "beneficial mistakes" they tell us. Magical and precise mistakes that keep compounding exponentially until it all became what we're only beginning to see now. Hardly. If forced to choose, I'd opt for the Tooth Fairy yarn any day. The fact of the matter is that the entire universe proceeded out of God's mouth. He said, "let there be" and there was.

Tell you what; Let's be sporting for a moment. Let's make it easy for evolutionists to prove their lies once and for all: I'll put a frog into a blender until it's reduced to juice and hand it to all the top scientists these guys can muster and then tell them they have the rest of their lifetimes to put it together again and then to make it live. Hey, they have all the parts there in one place in the exact ratio needful without distraction and outside influence and now they don't want to have a bash at it? Cowards! Did "nature" by means of trillions of "accidents" and "beneficial mistakes" that all just had to get it right the very first time every time, do more miraculous things than human intelligence with all the computers on earth can do, with the added benefit that they can do it over and over and over again millions of times until they get it right? Is that their answer? I'm not buying it - are you? Only a total ignoramus would buy that. But know what? They teach your kids that that really happened. And yes, all by itself and all by chance, in the thrashing oceans.

They forget the "Second Law Of Thermodynamics" that tells us that everything in time tends to decay and chaos. Oh yes, this is scientific information that has been proved! Just incidentally, Albert Einstein called this "the primary law of science." This Law alone, which is by far the most tested and proved law in the universe, blasts all their theories right out of the water. You see, nothing gets better by itself. Everything rusts and decays and falls apart. Nothing ever improves by itself over time. Most of the people on earth today are employed because of this Law. Everything mankind has and builds has to constantly be replaced and rebuilt and repaired. Think about it. And their whole lie is based on mutations - one thing changing into another. No mutations ever witnessed by man improved. It always gets worse. That's what this law is saying.

But evolutionists tell our kids that "no intelligence whatsoever," that just "happened" to be in the ocean, made those billions of trillions of complicated calculations by chance and then everything just simply slotted into place and got better and better and more and more intricate over a period of billions of years. Naïve idiots believe that nonsense. How on earth can things without intelligence keep improving and building in breathtaking precision on prior blocks in the most astounding and exponential manner?

If you still don't believe what I'm saying, then go ahead and put all the loose pieces of a Swiss watch into your pocket and start shaking your leg. How long will it take for all those parts that are already made and already machined and already polished and already tempered and already meticulously measured to come together where every spring is balanced and every screw is tightened and every piece is precisely slotted into exactly the right place to the right degree and in the correct order, fully wound up and showing the correct time? I'll tell you in case you've got any doubts: It will never, ever happen. Anyone with half a brain can figure that out. The chances are slim that even two of them will ever be brought together and properly fitted. And just when two are perchance brought together, another single shake will separate them again, not so? And the assembly of that watch is just one little thing that is millions of times less intricate than a single human cell.

How many people do you know that put all the pieces of an intricate jigsaw puzzle in a box and start shaking it to assemble the pieces to form a perfect picture? Sure, it can be done - ask any evolutionist. They believe this kind of thing happened trillions of times a minute all over the world for billions of years without ever making a single mistake and that's how every living thing we see today came into being. You see, literally billions of these "miraculous phenomenon" had to happen every split second to trillions of little components of all living organisms at the same time in frightening precision and order and ingenious harmony for billions of years without a single mistake for all this to have had the remotest chance of coming together and simply "happening." And they believe that (so they say, but I doubt it). But they will never dare to admit that there is not a computer builder when you show them a laptop. They know you know better, see. But they also know that most uninformed people today and all our young children don't know these things, so the bullies target them and destroy their faith. But go ahead and show them one human cell that baffles the human mind for complexity and absolute genius and you'll find without fail that they refuse to admit that there must be a Creator.

Yes, billions and trillions of little problems that could have caused the demise of their total hypothesis are simply "ignored" because they don't even want to look at it or believe it. They don't want to believe in a Creator you see, because then they would be accountable, and that's what they don't want. And then they brazenly come with one of their lame "proofs" when they point to the scaly legs of some birds and tell our naïve and gullible kids that "birds came from fish billions of years ago." The first question that simply leaps into my mind is "Where are the "intermediate" "fishbirds" or "birdfish" or whatever they were before they were fully fledged birds? Did they suddenly stop evolving? Did they forget how to evolve? Or was evolving suddenly not fashionable any longer? Did the "naïve" and "crafty" and "stupid-to-believe-the-Bible" pastors and all the believers gather all of them and hide them so that the "clever" and "scientific" and the "oh-so-honest" and "objective" evolution-believing scientists could never ever find even one of them? Must have been. You see, they talk about "the" missing link as if this one elusive piece of the puzzle will answer all the questions and prove their precocious assumptions. What they don't admit or tell anyone (of course) is that there are millions of missing links between every type of creature on earth and the fact of the matter is that each of these creatures brings forth "after it's kind," and that piece of useful information is in your Bible too. For example, there are literally millions of missing links between every type of great ape on earth. Never to be found, believe me. Listen carefully while I give you one priceless and profound word of wisdom here: The links are missing because they're missing! Did you get that? They don't exist. In fact, it's not a missing link they're looking for, it's a very, very long missing and never-to-be-found chain.

Please believe that no one has ever found conclusive evidence of anything to substantiate their lies. The "proofs" they show in museums and universities and zoos are all conjecture and in most cases have been proved to be hoaxes and fabrications by very desperate and dishonest characters.

They make a great deal out of the so-called similarities between the human and the chimpanzee. They then proudly tell our kids that while we have 46 chromosomes, the chimp is our closest relative because it has 48. You see, boys and girls, here we have our closest relative. We came from the apes - so they tell us. What they don't tell them though, is that on the scale that gives the chromosomes of all living organisms, tobacco stands proudly on the scale between us and the chimp. Just by way of interest, a dog and a chicken have 78, a turkey has 82, a sweet potato has 90, a goldfish has 94 and a fern has a whopping 480. So much for the "very close similarity" they point to between us and the chimp.

But back to the bird legs that look like fish scales: To use the very learned Dr. Hovind's analogy; it's like saying that if the Chrysler wheel nuts looked identical to those of the Ford, this would be proof that they both evolved from a Honda 4,5 billion years ago. Surely we'll all agree that the manufacturer (in this case Almighty God) has the right to use His same tried and tested and approved material wherever He pleases. He has my vote to do that....

Micro Evolution:

Now this one only is scientific. We do see variations and we do see adaptations to the environment that living organisms undergo in order to survive, but this has nothing to do with the other five.The first five are religious. So they tell the kids that evolution is science and then they give them examples of micro evolution (which is science because it can be observed and proved) and then make them believe that all the rest go along with it.


Nu ser ni hur evolutionen är en lögn
Jag har bevisat er i all detalj att det är en jävla stor lögn.

Cosmic Evolution. The development of space, time, matter and energy from nothing.

Stellar Evolution. The development of complex stars from the chaotic first elements.

Chemical Evolution. The development of all chemical elements from an original two.

Planetary Evolution. The development of planetary systems from swirling elements.

Organic Evolution. The development of organic life from inorganic matter (a rock).

Macro-Evolution. The development of one kind of life from a totally different kind of life.

Micro-Evolution. The development of variations within the same kind of life.

Visade nyss texter på alla dessa som är evolutions teorierna vilket jag bevisa var en lögn.
Nu har jag bevisat att Gud finns och att evolutionen är en stor skam. Ska nu gå ur denna tråd.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Evolution-Lie&id=1832177
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/theory-of-evolution.htm
http://freehovind.com/watch

Bevis på att evolutionen är lögn och att Gud skapade jorden.
Ni som försöker argumentera emot bevisen läs igenom denna text och sedan försök argumentera emot för det går inte. Annars är ni bara allmänt iq befriade ifall ni inte kan se bevisen att evolutionen är en lögn.

There are also bodies out there that are called Pulsars. These are so dense that a piece the size of a dollar coin would weigh over 100 million tons.

Det enda du bevisat är att du antingen är ett troll eller en imbecill.

http://www.explosm.net/comics/2321/

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Läser igenom din wall of bullshit sen, men rent spontant kan jag bara säga att det här faller på att saker som är "för" komplexa ska vara guds verk. Det stämde inte när vi inte visste hur tidvatten funkar, det stämmer inte nu heller.

Inget av det. Jag är fullt seriös om detta. Så säg mej om du är så duktig. HUR SKAPADES UNIVERSUM DÅ? nej det kan ni inte svara på för att det finns inte heller bevis på hur det oändliga skapades.
Säg inte vänta 100 år på svar för att ni kommer ändå inte finna svaret på det.
Universum kan inte skapas ur ingenting. Så om jag är en troende person så är du en mask som är skapad av atomer. För det är det forskarna påpekar att vi var skapade ur ingenting.

Jag kan skapa dej med en hand jord och lite bakterier samt mutationsmolekyler. Samma sak där som forskarna snackar skit om. Dom tror att vi var skapade ur ingenting. Så är du skapad av luft?
Kanske sågspån? vem vet vad forskarna säger.

Wall of bullshit du säga. Där står klart o tydligt om vad eran evolutions fakta handlar om.
Dom 7 delarna av evolutionen. när alla dom är ihopsatta så får man det löjliga big bang.

Vilket är bullcrap för att jorden kan inte vara skapad ur ingenting. Så du kan skapa jorden med luft?
Jag tar en näve sand i handen nu ska det bli pengar. För att enligt evolutionen skapades människan så. försök bevisa att atomer och bakterier skapade människan. Seriöst vem som helst fattar att bakterier kan inte skapa en människa. Då hade man kunnat klona masston av sig själv genom mutation.

Att du är seriös motbevisar möjligtvis att du trollar. Dock styrker det påståendet att du är en lättlurad imbecill.

Vad i allsindar har evolutionsteorin med big bang att göra? Du kan ingenting. Att du särskriver "evolutions teorin" och "evolutions fakta" vittnar om att du är en mellanstadieelev.