2019-03-12, 22:49
  #7729
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Känns lite skumt när pojken, som nu är vuxen, sitter i dokumentären och småskrattar när han berättar hur MJ runkade framför honom. Känns inte så trovärdigt.
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2019-03-12, 22:56
  #7730
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Duck-Lips
I mina ögon har MJ alltid framstått som helt asexuell och hans relation med barnen var också på ett barns nivå. Han var mentalt sett ett barn och det är närtill omöjligt att föreställa sig honom som ett sexuellt rovdjur.

Han har väl heller inte liknats vid ett "sexuellt rovdjur" snarare som en orm eller inälvsmask kanske...
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2019-03-12, 23:25
  #7731
Bannlyst
Tycker att pojke nummer 2 berättar mer trovärdigt. Om det stämmer är det ju helt jävla sinnessjukt vidrigt, men jag är ändå tveksam. Samma sak som med Ronaldo och alla andra där ord står mot ord och där den utpekade besitter miljarder.
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2019-03-13, 00:24
  #7732
Medlem
scraftys avatar
LoToya Jackson höll sig till sanningen en gång i tiden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2jCPOi0-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1tGqn4jXc

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Känns lite skumt när pojken, som nu är vuxen, sitter i dokumentären och småskrattar när han berättar hur MJ runkade framför honom. Känns inte så trovärdigt.
"Skratten" kommer bara ur obekvämhet, inte för att han tycker något är roligt. Alla har olika sätt att uttrycks sig och bearbeta trauman på.
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2019-03-13, 00:59
  #7733
Bannlyst
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av scrafty
LoToya Jackson höll sig till sanningen en gång i tiden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2jCPOi0-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1tGqn4jXc


"Skratten" kommer bara ur obekvämhet, inte för att han tycker något är roligt. Alla har olika sätt att uttrycks sig och bearbeta trauman på.

Uppgifter hon sedan tog tillbaka.

"LaToya drog senare tillbaka sina uttalanden och hävdade att hennes dåvarande make hade övertalat henne att fördöma Michael."

https://nyheter24.se/noje/923748-latoya-jacksons-anklagelser-mot-michael-brott-mot-sma-barn
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2019-03-13, 01:08
  #7734
Medlem
scraftys avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Agnetax
Uppgifter hon sedan tog tillbaka.

"LaToya drog senare tillbaka sina uttalanden och hävdade att hennes dåvarande make hade övertalat henne att fördöma Michael."

https://nyheter24.se/noje/923748-latoya-jacksons-anklagelser-mot-michael-brott-mot-sma-barn
Japp, sanningen fick inte hållas fram länge.
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2019-03-13, 01:46
  #7735
Medlem
Trott att Micke var pederast sedan 80-talet. Riktig kuf den där. Hela familjen jackson är störda människor.
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2019-03-13, 04:06
  #7736
Avslutad
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Ursprungligen postat av Azzabrazza
Intervju med MJ brorsdotter Brandi Jackson som var i ett förhållande med Wade Robson. Detta förhållande ska ha påbörjats under tiden då Robson påstår sig blivit utnyttjad, vilket stämmer illa med de uppgifter som framkommer i Leaving Neverland. Brandi Jackson känner både MJ och Robson väldigt väl och har del att säga om saken.
https://soundcloud.com/freespeechbroadcasting/2019-03-09-1-exclusive-interview-with-brandi-jackson

Har du sett dokumentären? Det framkom ju att Wade var tillsammans med en asiatisk tjej och hade även en son med henne när han erkände att han blev sexuellt utnyttjad av MJ. Hans tjej är också med i dokumentären.
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2019-03-13, 04:46
  #7737
Avslutad
Det verkade som Michael inte var så korkad att han förgrep sig på alla barn han bjöd in i sitt sovrum utan han var snarare försiktig och inriktade sig endast på pojkar vars familjer verkade trasiga och ekonomiskt utsatta så folk kunde inte tro på dem ifall de anklagade MJ för sexuella övergrepp. MJ var nog även väl medveten om att det inte vore ett smart drag att ge sig på världskända barnstjärnor som Macaulay Culkin och Aaron Carter, för det skulle förmodligen innebära slutet för honom.
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2019-03-13, 05:00
  #7738
Medlem
The News Media’s Handling of Leaving Neverland Proves Just How Broken the Entire Industry Really Is
by John Ziegler | Mar 12th, 2019, 11:55 am 147


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A week ago, when I first watched HBO’s highly controversial film Leaving Neverland, I purposely did so without refreshing my recollection on the facts regarding the allegations of child sex abuse against Michael Jackson from many years ago. I wanted to see the movie in much the same way that the average viewer did.

Like most people who viewed it, I was emotionally impacted by the horrific nature of the alleged abuse, but was eventually turned off by the obvious unfairness of allowing two unverified accusers being allowed four hours, with the support of tremendously manipulative production elements, to make un-scrutinized claims against an un-convicted dead man (who, it should also be noted, paid $20 million to a 13-year-old accuser in the 1990s as part of a settlement out of court). As someone who had long suspected Michael Jackson was likely guilty of child abuse, but whose own coverage of his 2005 trial as a Los Angeles talk show host made me actually start to doubt that presumption, the whole thing was conflicting.

Since I absolutely despise that I have somehow become known as someone who is willing to defend those accused of sex abuse even though we live in an era where such an act, regardless of the facts of the particular situation, makes you automatically a “bad” person, I was extremely hesitant to delve further into the matter. However, even my initial evaluation of the voluminous record involving the movie’s two stars, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, made it very clear that the movie was a journalistic travesty, and that someone should be willing to take a stand against the prevailing narrative on behalf of truth and fairness.

As is always the case, before I eventually dove in headfirst, I engaged in extensive research on these claims, and spoke to several people with direct knowledge of the other side of the story. I did lengthy in-person interviews with two key members of the Jackson family. One of them, Brandi Jackson, had dated Robson throughout their entire teenage years, including during the time when the abuse was allegedly occurring.

One of the many difficulties in telling a version of events which is contradictory to someone the news media — as opposed to the courts — has determined is a “sex abuse victim” (especially those who, like Robson and Safechuck, have been sanctified by Oprah Winfrey on HBO) is that, particularly post #MeToo, no one data point can ever been seen as a “smoking gun” that their allegation is false. However, when viewed in the full context of Robson’s already suspect narrative, I strongly believe that Brandi’s version of events comes as close as possible to being just that (as do many other non-Jackson fans who have spent the time to hear her, and her cousin Taj, out).

In a remotely rational world, where the news media still even plausibly functioned as a source of truth, and where basic fairness still had any real currency, Brandi would have immediately been invited on multiple major television news outlets (heck, her story even involves a normally irresistible tidbit about Robson cheating on her with Britney Spears, thus causing her infamous breakup with Justin Timberlake). However, to the mild surprise of even a grizzled media cynic like me, that did not happen.

Even before our interview, multiple members of the Jackson family told me that they felt like the major news media was purposely censoring Brandi’s explosive story. I told them that it was possible that the media just may not fully understand the significance what she has to say (none of which, it should be noted, has never been contradicted at all by Robson, or anyone else), but I now must conclude that I was being naïve.

To be clear, I am not alleging some sort of anti-Jackson conspiracy, but actually something far more treacherous than that. Based on the news media’s unwillingness to even give Brandi a voice, it is now abundantly obvious that a new media rule has been created that no one, no matter how credible, unless they are huge celebrity, is allowed to directly contradict the veracity of someone the media is invested in as a “victim,” no matter how lacking in credibility that allegation is (and to be clear, books could easily be written on why the current story of Robson, who enthusiastically testified as Jackson’s first witness at his criminal trial, is not to be believed).

Within the news media, there is just far too much fear/risk, and not nearly courage/reward. So, here is what really happened in this situation…

Michael Jackson has always been suspected of being capable of literally anything because of his obvious extreme weirdness and seemingly inappropriate attachments to young boys. A filmmaker with an obvious agenda interviewed two middle-aged men for several days and ignored the many problems with their stories (for the record, a close look at the movie discredits huge chunks of Safechuck’s narrative as well, especially with regard to the real circumstances surrounding him not testifying at Jackson’s criminal trial), using about the first three hours to get his audience emotionally invested in his subjects, which was very easy given the widely-held suspicions about Jackson, who is no longer around to defend himself.

Not being armed with even the basic facts (inexplicably, and quite tellingly, Brandi Jackson is not even mentioned), the audience, including the media, was easily manipulated into being able to disregard even the biggest holes in their stories, and to gladly accept even the most bizarre rationalizations for their nonsensical actions. Once Oprah, an abuse victim herself, effectively validated their stories (even as Safechuck, who barely participated in the post-movie interview, sweated noticeably right in front of her), the preferred narrative was set, and nothing would then be allowed to credibly contradict it.

It needs to at least be mentioned that the most bizarre aspect of the news media embracing this movie is, because of the narrative used to explain why the accusers didn’t realize they were abused much sooner, it actually has elements which are arguably PRO pedophilia. This “we didn’t think sex abuse was bad” explanation could have been simply a result of the accusers having to craft their stories to escape statute of limitations problems in their lawsuit against the Jackson estate.

Regardless, there is no need to give the Jackson family much of a chance to respond — or even see the movie before it came out — because, after all, we now know for sure that they are just part of an evil machine which is knowingly covering up for a dead pedophile, all in a desperate attempt to protect the value of the pop superstar’s estate. Gee, what could possibly go wrong with that sort of thinking, especially since Jackson was never convicted, or even found liable, in a court of law?!

Part of my naïveté here was that I stupidly thought the Jussie Smollett fake hate-crime fiasco would have, at least for a few months, made the news media a little more hesitant to blindly buy into outlandish stories with no proof and a clear financial motive. Obviously, that has not happened, and it is because the modern news media, for many reasons, is now completely, irreparably, and dangerously broken.

John Ziegler is a senior columnist for Mediaite. He hosts a weekly podcast focusing on news media issues and is documentary filmmaker.

https://www.mediaite.com/columnists/the-news-medias-handling-of-leaving-neverland-proves-just-how-broken-the-entire-industry-really-is/?fbclid=IwAR2JoYlNTLk-OxxJHZBnnlGhYx14FKdny_W8IeCwlXozUQop7vEtNeanBZU
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2019-03-13, 05:05
  #7739
Medlem
Things the media and the the makers of Leaving Neverland do not want you to know.

Wade Robson and Safechuck have a hundreds million dollar civil lawsuit pending against The Michael Jackson estate. (its on appeal after being thrown out)

Wade Robson tried to shop a book deal about the allegations which no one would publish since they did not find him credible. (A person working for one of these companies have said Robson asked for a large amount money for his book)

Add the fact that Wade Robson started his allegations after The MJ estate denied him the directors job for the Michael Jackson cirque du soleil show in Las Vegas. A job court records show Robson was begging for.

Coincidently Robsons career was tanking in 2011 and in court records family members admits Robson was afraid he would not be able to provide for his family.

It was ONLY then he suddenly realized he had been abused by Michael Jackson after praising him in interviews and doing tributes for him 2009 to 2012.

Furthermore Robson has started a not for profit foundation and is soliciting donations. There can be no transparency, as he’s parked his 501 c3 very cleverly under something called the Hawaii Community Foundation. That way, Robson doesn’t have to file a form 990. We’ll never know if the makers of “Leaving Neverland” have donated money to it or will share a % of the profit from the film for example. Its hidden. This was done on purpose. Leonardo DiCaprio does the same thing with his Foundation.

https://www.showbiz411.com/2019/03/03/exclusive-michael-jackson-accuser-wade-robson-is-ready-for-donations-with-a-new-non-profit-designed- to-cash-in-on-leaving-neverland

No media has reported on any of this. I find it absurd that Dan Reed say these 2 men have "no financial interest" at all in whats going on when they have millions of dollars at stake in their lawsuit against the MJ estate, and everybody takes his word for it.

At last, Robson has been caught lying multiple times during his litigation against the MJ estate, he hid the fact that he had been shopping a book deal EVEN from his own lawyers. In fact they judge called him out one time and said nobody could believe what he was telling was the truth. He also failed to produce documents when ordered by the court citing lawyer-client privilege. The problem? The documents were communications betweens his mother and him, so the communications were not protected. In the end he had to produce all the documents, which contained several hundreds of emails mostly between Robson and mis mom where he tried to piece together details and information to produce his abuse story. Wade Robson had said earlier in court he had not spoken or communicated with anyone of his allegations, thats why he tried to hide the emails he exchanged with his mother.

As for Safechuck:
In his lawsuit, Safechuck described Michael Jacksons record company MJJ Productions as "a school" and therefore MJJ Productions would be responsible for all "the children within it". This was so laughable that the judge called Safechuck out for it!
But it raises a more alarming factor. If MJJ Productions were indeed a school, they would not only be civically responsible for the ALLEGED molestation, but also CRIMINALLY responsible!
So why did Safechuck not file a CRIMINAL case then? I am sure it had nothing to do with the fact that a criminal case would not get him ANY MONEY!
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And this is just the tip of the iceberg. If someone cared to dig a little deeper they would see these accusers who are admitted perjurers also have a long list of credibility problems and contradicting their own stories during the years 2013 to 2019.

Its all there in writing, if you look into their civil cases against MJ estate from 2013 to 2017.

But no one seem to be interested in doing even a little research, instead just taking these serial liers claims as truth. When I ask if they have read the court transcripts, they reply "Watch the film, its powerful" they say.

Its incredible sad.

MJs lawyer Tom Mesereaus words: "Just becaue its graphic, does not mean its true"
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2019-03-13, 06:21
  #7740
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av RoyalTrash
Det som fascinerar mig mest med allt detta är hur folk som du försvarar honom. Ni brinner verkligen för detta och man märker hur arga ni blir.

Det rann tårar ner för Wades kind, så du minns fel. Jag är som sagt skeptisk till Wade men just den scenen kändes extremt äkta.

Ja eller så är som sagt James tungt medicinerad eftersom han själv sa han började hata sig själv och blev extremt deprimerad. Han går nog på den ena och den andra medicinen.

Men men, låt oss hoppas de ljuger som sagt och att MJ mot förmodan aldrig rörde en annan pojke sexuellt. Föt mig känns det som det förekommer lögner från båda sidorna.

Lugna ner dig nu, vi har bara olika uppfattningar om en dokumentär, vet inte riktigt varför du tror jag är arg eller varför du behöver bunta ihop mig med andra. Varför skriver du själv i tråden?
Han är säkert deprimerad, men som sagt, är det pga traumatiska händelser i barndomen eller pga sin ekonomiska situation, han är skuldsatt och är säkert inte bekväm med att ljuga så här. Som andra påpekat i tråden så sitter han småflinar när han berättar om påstådda övergrepp, inte trovärdigt i mina ögon.
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