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Hur menar du i övrigt att de "ändå valde att följa med"? Var det så att nazisten knackade på hemma hos en judisk familj och lämnade dem alternativet att följa med dödstransporten (vetskapen fanns ju) eller att stanna hemma?
Hur menar du i övrigt att de "ändå valde att följa med"? Var det så att nazisten knackade på hemma hos en judisk familj och lämnade dem alternativet att följa med dödstransporten (vetskapen fanns ju) eller att stanna hemma?
Skuggjag undrade:
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[...]varför interner som (haft vetskap) om detta ändå valde att följa med deras tilltänkta bödlar till Tyskland, istället för att invänta sina räddare i form av röda armén.
"...hemma hos en judisk familj" gällde då Auschwitz 1945, och "följa med" gällde den s k dödsmarschen till Tyskland.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6dsmarsch_%28F%C3%B6rintelsen%29
Elie Wiesel var en av dom som evakuerades:
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http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/HungarianJews4.html
On January 18, 1945, shortly before the arrival of Soviet troops on January 27, 1945, the three Auschwitz camps were abandoned by the Germans and, according to Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank, the 67,012 survivors of Auschwitz-Birkenau were given a choice between staying behind to be liberated by the Soviet Union, or marching 50-kilometers west to the border of Germany, along with the SS men.
Elie Wiesel was in a hospital at Monowitz, recovering from an operation on an infected foot, and his father had been allowed to stay with him in the hospital; both chose to join the 60,000 prisoners who followed the Germans on the march out of the camp. They ended up in the Buchenwald concentration camp where Elie's father died a short time later. Elie was among the 904 orphans who survived at Buchenwald.
Elie Wiesel was in a hospital at Monowitz, recovering from an operation on an infected foot, and his father had been allowed to stay with him in the hospital; both chose to join the 60,000 prisoners who followed the Germans on the march out of the camp. They ended up in the Buchenwald concentration camp where Elie's father died a short time later. Elie was among the 904 orphans who survived at Buchenwald.
"...both chose to join the 60,000 prisoners who followed the Germans", eller "was later moved and ultimately freed"....
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http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2015/01/27/had-we-been-warned-many-of-us-would-not-have-gone-to-auschwitz-says-survivor/
The writer was later moved and ultimately freed from Buchenwald in 1945. Of his relatives, only he and two of his sisters survived.
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Take your pick...
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http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/HungarianJews4.html
His two older sisters also survived, but he never saw his mother and younger sister again after he was separated from them upon arrival at Birkenau.
Så här lät det senast:
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http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2015/01/27/had-we-been-warned-many-of-us-would-not-have-gone-to-auschwitz-says-survivor/
04:31 PM ET
By Madalena Araujo, CNN
On the day the world marked seventy years since the liberation of Auschwitz, survivor and Nobel Peace Laureate Elie Wiesel told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour that had many Hungarian Jews been warned about the death camp, they would never have gone there in the first place.
“[In] 1944 we didn’t know Auschwitz existed. Had we known, believe me, had Roosevelt, had Churchill, on the radio stations turned to Hungarian Jews saying ‘Hungarian Jews, don’t go to the train, because the trains will lead you to Auschwitz,’ people – many of us would not have gone.
“Many wouldn’t have believed, perhaps, but wouldn’t have gone, but nobody warned us, and nobody came to our help.”
By Madalena Araujo, CNN
On the day the world marked seventy years since the liberation of Auschwitz, survivor and Nobel Peace Laureate Elie Wiesel told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour that had many Hungarian Jews been warned about the death camp, they would never have gone there in the first place.
“[In] 1944 we didn’t know Auschwitz existed. Had we known, believe me, had Roosevelt, had Churchill, on the radio stations turned to Hungarian Jews saying ‘Hungarian Jews, don’t go to the train, because the trains will lead you to Auschwitz,’ people – many of us would not have gone.
“Many wouldn’t have believed, perhaps, but wouldn’t have gone, but nobody warned us, and nobody came to our help.”
Det verkar som han "would never have gone there in the first place" (dvs till Auschwitz) om han vetat vad som väntade - och när han och hans far visste vad tyskarna gjorde med judarna verkar det inte ha utgjort nåt hinder för att följa med dom till Buchenwald.
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Hur vet vi att internerna hade vetskap och ändå följde med?
Hur vet vi att internerna hade vetskap och ändå följde med?
Just det - när Wiesel nu "visste" vad Auschwitz gick för....vad fick honom och hans far att tro att nåt bättre väntade i Buchenwald ?
Kanske han kommit underfund om nåt som han inte vill berätta idag?
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Otto Frank och hans dotter följde också med till Tyskland (Bergen-Belsen), som sagt - blivande styvdottern Eva Schloss och hennes mor evakuerades österut av ryssarna.
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https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/eva-schloss/
The Nazis captured all four family members on May 11, 1944, Eva’s 15th birthday.
The family was taken to the Auschwitz death camp, she said.
“We knew about Auschwitz. We knew it was a death camp, not a work camp, not a labor camp,” she said.
That’s where they saw Dr. Death. Only Eva and her mother survived.
They were evacuated by a Russian army in 1945, and taken east, as fighting was still going on in the west. Her mother went on to marry Otto Frank, the widowed father of Anna Frank in 1953, making Eva Anna’s stepsister.
The family was taken to the Auschwitz death camp, she said.
“We knew about Auschwitz. We knew it was a death camp, not a work camp, not a labor camp,” she said.
That’s where they saw Dr. Death. Only Eva and her mother survived.
They were evacuated by a Russian army in 1945, and taken east, as fighting was still going on in the west. Her mother went on to marry Otto Frank, the widowed father of Anna Frank in 1953, making Eva Anna’s stepsister.
De valde att inte följa med till Tyskland:
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Eva Schloss was saved because, apparently, she did not get typhus at Auschwitz. She was not transferred to Bergen-Belsen, like Anne Frank, because she was not sick. She was saved from the typhus epidemic at Bergen-Belsen which killed Anne Frank.
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http://www3.viterbo.edu/myvu/holocaust-survivor-eva-schloss-will-present-%E2%80%9Chiding-betrayal-survival-life-and-times-anne-fr ank
Anne Frank's stepsister Eva Schloss has been describing how she survived the Auschwitz concentration camp, "The human spirit is amazing, hope is amazing - I was one of the few lucky ones".
Tur eller skicklighet? :
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https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/eva-schloss/
He [Dr. Josef Mengele] was the man who went through the lines of men and women, pulling the weak from the strong. He was the one at the Auschwitz concentration camp who decided who would live and who would die.
Eva Schloss remembered how she wore her mother’s coat on the day she got there. It covered part of her face, hiding her youth, which if discovered by Dr. Death, would have sent her straight to the gas chambers.
“It saved my life,” she said of her mother’s coat.
Eva Schloss remembered how she wore her mother’s coat on the day she got there. It covered part of her face, hiding her youth, which if discovered by Dr. Death, would have sent her straight to the gas chambers.
“It saved my life,” she said of her mother’s coat.
Kanske tur den gången - men senare använde den skickliga mamman kontakter (en kusin) för att undkomma sin egen gasning:
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http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/features/anne-franks-stepsister-eva-schloss-is-anti-semitism-on-the-rise
Your story is remarkable, the part that moved me the most was when you thought your mother was dead only to be reunited just before the end of the war. How did she survive?
My mother and I were together in Auschwitz as workers, and then she was selected for the gas chambers. I assumed she was dead but she managed to contact a cousin who was working for the camp’s physician Josef Mengele [an SS officer notorious for selecting victims for the gas chambers]. This cousin took her off the list of those selected, and she was released but then another officer came and fetched her back again. She thought that was it. As she was walking towards the truck to be transported to the gas chambers, she told the officer in charge that it was a mistake and she didn’t belong there. He checked the list and luckily her number wasn’t on there. They let her go and we were reunited just before the Russians liberated Auschwitz in January 1945.
My mother and I were together in Auschwitz as workers, and then she was selected for the gas chambers. I assumed she was dead but she managed to contact a cousin who was working for the camp’s physician Josef Mengele [an SS officer notorious for selecting victims for the gas chambers]. This cousin took her off the list of those selected, and she was released but then another officer came and fetched her back again. She thought that was it. As she was walking towards the truck to be transported to the gas chambers, she told the officer in charge that it was a mistake and she didn’t belong there. He checked the list and luckily her number wasn’t on there. They let her go and we were reunited just before the Russians liberated Auschwitz in January 1945.
Det måste ha skett före november 1944:
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In November Himmler ordered gassings to stop, and a 'cleanup' operation was inaugurated to conceal traces of the mass murder.
http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Camps/AuschwitzEng.html
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Har nån läst hennes bok? Kan hon berätta nåt om vad hon gjorde i Auschwitz mellan nov -44 och jan -45?
Obs vad hon visste:
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“We knew about Auschwitz. We knew it was a death camp, not a work camp, not a labor camp,” she said.
Ändå arbetade hon med nåt:
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My mother and I were together in Auschwitz as workers,[...]
Crime Scene Cleaners?
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Senast redigerad av Erleb 2015-02-07 kl. 01:06.
Senast redigerad av Erleb 2015-02-07 kl. 01:06.
Kan bemöta det med: 
Står i hans "självbiografi" natten vill jag minnas. 
Hoess underkastades tortyr och hjärntvätt av kommunisterna under fängelsetiden. Hans vittnesmål i Nürnberg avgav man själlöst och monotomt med stirrande blick. Till och med Reitlinger tillbakavisar detta vittnesmål som hopplöst otrovärdigt. Det är verkligen anmärkningsvärt, hur många av dessa "bevis" om de sex miljonerna som härrör från kommunistiska källor. Detta innefattar huvuddokumenten sådana som Wislicenys förklaring och Hoess' "memoarer", som otvivelaktigt är de två mest citerade verken i förintelselitteraturen såväl som all information om de s.k. "dödslägren" som Auschwitz. Denna kommer emellertid från Judiska historiekommissionen i Polen, Centralkommissionen för undersökning av krigsförbrytelser, Warschava, och Ryska statens krigsförbrytelsekommission, Moskva.
Han använder ord och begrepp med klara associationer. Anledningen är att säkerställa att det inte ska finnas något tvivel bakom "massmord". Tråkigt att vi inte fick höra om det "16.000" döda per dag, i klippet. 
Bättre att bara tortera och plantera bevis, så slipper man den jobbiga bevisbördan. Känner verkligen sympati med palestinierna. Fy satan, att tvingas leva under er regim och på era villkor...
