Varför tror du på förintelsen?

Syn!

Berätta vem som åkt in efter att ha sagt att han aldrig såg det han anklagas för.
Bok?
Då har man ju aktivt skrivit en bok som förmodligen aktivt påstår att Förintelsen aldrig ägt rum.
Ser du inte skillnad mellan att aktivt förneka och att säga att 'jag har aldrig upplevt det du säger', ja då är du inte så klok.

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Är detta sant?
Vilka åtalade menar du när du skriver 'samtliga'?

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Vad vet du om Jodl och vad det var han anklagades för och vad han dömdes för?

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Jag fick efter en del besvär fram texten du efterfrågar och lägger ut den här:

"No Nazi was ever a Holocaust denier.

This one, simple fact shows that everything the modern deniers try to claim is a post hoc contrivance. From 1945 onwards, thousands of Nazis were captured and hundreds tried for their part in the Holocaust and other crimes against humanity. They tried to pretend they were someone else, they tried to pretend they didn't know what was happening, they tried to pretend they didn't have as much to do with it as others, they tried to claim they were just following orders and they tried to justify it as "the kind of thing that happens in war". But what not one of them ever did was deny it happened.

Even men on trial for their lives, in the full knowledge they would be hanged if convicted, never stood up in the courtroom and shouted "This is all a lie! This is a fabrication! There were no gas chambers and no crematoria! I'm being framed!" On the contrary, they gave great detail as to precisely how they had helped build and helped run the mechanics of mass murder, some of them even seeming proud of how they had achieved something so complex and on such a vast scale.
A classic example of the kind of Nazi who was not a Holocaust denier when, if the deniers are correct, he should have been was Rudolf Höss. SS-Obersturmbannführer Höss was commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau from May 1940 to November 1943. According to Höss' own testimony and later memoirs, he was summoned to Berlin in June 1941 where he received "personal orders" from Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler to turn Auschwitz-Birkenau into a large scale extermination camp, modelled on the facility already operating at Treblinka. Höss detailed later how he visited Treblinka and then, by September 1941, had established similar gas chambers and crematoria in Auschwitz.

From then on, according to his detailed testimony, Höss oversaw the arrival of two to three trains a day of up to 2000 people, from whom the stronger were selected for one of the Auschwitz work camps and the rest were gassed and burned. He detailed how he made his gas chambers capable of murdering ten times as many people as the ones at Treblinka and detailed other "improvements" to the killing process:

"Still another improvement we made over Treblinka was that at Treblinka the victims almost always knew that they were to be exterminated and at Auschwitz we endeavored to fool the victims into thinking that they were to go through a delousing process. Of course, frequently they realized our true intentions and we sometimes had riots and difficulties due to that fact. Very frequently women would hide their children under the clothes but of course when we found them we would send the children in to be exterminated." (Höss' affidavit for his Nuremberg trial )

As the Nazi regime crumbled, Höss and his family fled back to Germany and he was captured by British troops in May 1946, disguised as a farmer and claiming to be called Franz Lang. The British troops had been tipped off that he was the commandant of Auschwitz (several of them happened to be Jewish) and beat him until he admitted his real identity. From that point on he co-operated with the Allied authorities fully.

Höss' testimony throughout his trial was matter-of-fact and precise. Despite being on trial for his life, he was not agitated and seemed resigned to his fate - a psychologist described him as "apathetic" and investigators commented on how co-operative he was with them. In his testimony and in the memoir he was allowed to write while in prison, Höss was absolutely straightforward about what he had done:

I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries.(Höss' affidavit for his Nuremberg trial)


He later expressed regret for his crimes, but like most Nazi war criminals justified them by saying they were actions taken in war time, that the victims were seen as enemies of the state and that he was "only following orders". He was executed by being hanged on a gallows specially constructed next to the main crematorium at Auschwitz on April 16 1947.

Anyone trying to claim that the Holocaust never happened, that the numbers of Jews killed have been exaggerated, that eye witnesses lied or can't have seen what they claim and that there were no gas chambers, no massive crematoria and no systematic mass murder of millions of men, women and children in death factories like Auschwitz need to explain the calm, detailed and co-operative testimony of Rudolf Höss and hundreds like him. They need to explain why he never objected that he was being framed, that there were no gas chambers and that these charges were all a lie. They need to explain why he detailed what he did with what was almost pride at the scale of his operation and did so in a way that is corroborated by thousands of other eye-witnesses (Nazis, prisoners and Soviet soldiers), as well as photographs, documents and a mass of other evidence.

In other words, they need to explain why Rudolf Höss, of all people, wasn't a Holocaust denier and why NONE of the Nazis involved in these crimes EVER denied they happened. They need to explain why even the Nazis themselves disagree with Holocaust denial.

They can't, which exposes all their other quibbles, distortions, twisting of words, denials and fabrications as the evil and pathetic lies they are.

EDIT: After over 1000 upvotes and 40+ comments, there are a couple of further points I think are worth making.

(i) Several people, both in the comments and in other answers have leapt on the fact that Höss was beaten when he was first arrested and, to varying degrees, tried to argue this somehow invalidates his entire testimony. This is the standard way that Deniers brush aside all of Höss' evidence and a few of those using it here have the stench of Denier around their comments.

Others, however, simply don't seem to have thought their comments through. When Höss was captured his captors already knew who he was. His wife also confirmed it, but he continued to maintain he was a farmer called Lang (knowing that admitting to being Rudolf Höss was tantamount to a death sentence). This was when some of his captors beat him up until he admitted who he was.

But no-one then continued to beat him up for the next YEAR, during which he willingly signed affidavits about what he'd done, testified at length at Nuremberg and even wrote a detailed memoir detailing his life, making excuses for his actions and explaining what he did at Auschwitz in detail. On the contrary, he expressed surprise at how well he was treated.

So to pretend all of his months and months of detailed testimony were somehow precipitated by one beating when he was captured and that he went to the gallows sticking to a story that was, somehow, an elaborate lie is clearly absurd. It's made doubly absurd by the fact that everything he said was confirmed by vast documentation, by multiple eye-witnesses including other Nazis of varying rank, by photographs and by archaeology. It takes a special kind of stupidity to argue this one beating means we can ignore all of Höss' evidence and he is just ONE of the hundreds of Nazis who detailed what happened. Again, not a single Nazi ever questioned, and thousands of them were, ever denied the Holocaust.

(ii). Several other answers note people they know who survived the Holocaust or who liberated concentration camps like Belsen and argue this is proof the Holocaust happened. The question is asking for a knockout punch against Deniers and, unfortunately, that evidence doesn't bother them much. They don't deny there were concentration camps, work camps, ghettos, mass deportations, mass shootings or even deaths into the hundreds of thousands from hunger and disease. They deny, however, that there was any order to exterminate millions, any organised program of systematic mass killing, any extermination camps, any gas chambers and any death toll in the multiple millions. So a grandmother with a camp tattoo or a great uncle who saw Buchenwald doesn't convince them.

This is why cutting through all their crap and confronting them with the fact that, without exception, every Nazi tried or questioned over the matter fully agreed it all happened leaves them with nowhere to go. All they can do is fall back on idiotic arguments like the one above about Höss' being roughed up, which simply exposes their position as the utter irrational stupidity it is".

Debatten mellan förnekare och troende kan jämföras med hur dagens politik bedrivs idag kontra förr i tiden. Mjuka känsloargument och vad diverse personer påstår kontra naturvetenskapligt hårda fakta.

Själv är jag skeptisk till förintelsen och anser att man är trög om man inte ifrågasätter saker som särskilda grupper tjänar enormt mycket pengar på. Mångkulturen och förintelsen är två bra exempel. Det är ju bevisat av b.la. Norman Finkelstein att det finns gigantiska ekonomiska intressen till att iallafall överdriva historien.

Rätt ointressant vad du tycker då detta inte verkar vara den gängse synen. Oavsett vad så är det ingen som vet exakt hur många judar som dog under kriget i de områden som kontrollerades av Tyskland men det är extremt osannolikt att det skulle röra sig om fler än en miljon döda. Den mest rimliga siffran är förmodligen någonting mellan 500 000 och 1 miljon som dog av sjukdomar, svält och liknande.

Jag kommenterar nu fallet Oberhauser här. Du har nämligen påstått att han som belöning för sin enligt dig falska bekännelse, att han som ledande medverkat i gasmorden på hundratusentals människor i Belzec, fått en dom på endast 4 1/2 års fängelse.

Det var emellertid så att han under 1948 av en östtysk domstol hade dömts till 15 års fängelse och benådats efter c:a tio år. Det gällde då hans mycket aktiva medverkan i i de många "barmhärtighetsmorden" .

Domen här ur http://www1.jur.uva.nl/junsv/junsveng/junsv_contents.htm
Case Nr.1551
Crime Category: Euthanasie
Accused:
Oberhauser, Josef 15 Years
Court:
LG/BG Magdeburg 480924 Az.: 11StKs246/48
Country where the crime was committed: GDR, FRG
Crime Location: HuPa Grafeneck, HuPa Bernburg, Zuchthaus Brandenburg
Crime Date: 4003-4110
Victims: Mentally ill, Prisoners
Nationality: German
Agency: Euthanasie-Aktion Technical Staff HuPa Grafeneck, HuPa Bernburg, Brandenburg penitentiary
Subject of the proceeding: Participation in the killing of mentally ill patients [see also JuNSV 585]

Domstolen i Magdeburg kände inte till hans aktiviteter i Belzec. När han i Västtyskland 1965 ställdes inför rätta i Belzecrättegången uppdagades emellertid nämnda dom. Frågan var då om man i den aktuella straffutmätningen skulle ta hänsyn till det tidigare stränga straffet. Det var ett besvärligt problem och det förekom t.o.m. kontakter med det östtyska rättsväsendet om det, men man beslutade alltså att göra det. Därav den lindriga domen.

En annan märklighet med Belzecrättegången är att de andra åtalade med hjälp av skickliga advokater blev frikända! Det hävdades nämligen att de tilltalade, som erkände gärningarna, att om de hade motsatt sig orderna, själva hade svävat i livsfara. Den rättsliga termen för detta på tyska är Putativnotstand.

Nu blev det dock så att de frikända fick kvarstanna i häkte för överförande till Sobibor-rättegången där de också hade åtalats. Där dömdes några från Belzec-rättegången till flerårigt fängelsestraff, men även där förekom frikännanden p.g.a. Putativnotstand. Men det verkar vara sista gången det förekommit i tyskt rättsväsen, för jag har inte hittat det senare.

Ur http://shamash.org/holocaust/denial/testimony.txt
SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser on the death camp at Belzec [Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 228-230] ---------------------------------------------------------------- The camp of Belzec was situated north-east of the Tomaszo'w to Lemberg [Lvov] road beyond the village of Belzec. As the camp needed a siding for the arriving transports the camp was built about 400 meters from Belzec station. The camp itself was divided into two sections: section 1 and section 2. The siding led directly from Belzec station into section 2 of the camp, in which the undressing barracks as well as the gas installations and the burial field were situated... The gassing of Jews which took place in Belzec camp up till 1 August 1942 can be divided into two phases. During the first series of experiments there were two to three transports consisting of four to six freight cars each holding twenty to forty persons. On the average 150 Jews were delivered and killed per transport. At that stage the gassings were not yet part of a systematic eradication action but were carried out to test and study closely the camp's capacity and the technical problems involved in carrying out a gassing...

Ointressant då det som du påstår är fysiskt omöjligt samt då dina vittnesmål inte håller någon högre kvalitet.


Jag kan inte hitta referensen nu när jag letar efter den men jag hade för mig att man hade någon form av småskalig förbränning av tyfus lik när alla krematorier var ur funktion. Hade tydligen fel där.

Oavsett vad så finns det inget som bevisar att liken på bilden ska vara från gasade människor.


Det lär nog vara väldigt svårt att göra det i någon större omfattning.

http://www.levandehistoria.se/material/om-detta-ma-ni-beratta räcker för mig.

Och den http://www.levandehistoria.se/fakta-fordjupning/forintelsen/raoul-wallenberg-1912-1947

Du kanske är skeptisk till narkotikabranchen och ifrågasätter dens existens också?

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Nu spelar du dum då media och samhälle inte propagerar för narkotika på samma vis som mina två exempel.