[911] 11 September 2001 - WTC / Pentagon tråden

Ehh, du uppvisar stora trovärdighetsproblem, så jag förstår om du packar ihop för kvällen. Vi har just fått läsa förstahandsuppgifter om att stålblock som består av kompakta (eller typ hela bitar) rätblock kan hålla temperaturen ett par dagar om de är packade många ovanpå varandra. I WTC så låg pryttlar huller om buller, det var ju knappast jämförbart, och ändå skulle det hålla temperaturen sex veckor efteråt? Du har givetvis ingen plausibel förklaring, inte heller till min fråga om var i kollapsen man var tvungen att "hjälpa till" med sprängämnen. Förmodligen för att du inte HAR något bra svar.

Här får du ett till problem Sten.

Du eller någon annan har ju inte uppgett när bilden är tagen!

Är det 1 timme efter eller är det 4 veckor efter den 11 september 2001???

Är den tagen en timme efter katastrofen så är det mycket mystiskt, men är den tagen 4 veckor efter så finns det helt plötsligt massor av alternativ.

Denna tidpunkt är väldigt viktig i detta sammanhang, men detta ignorerar ni.
Så lämpligt!

Men vi har över 5000 inlägg!!!

Där ligger alla andra i lä...

Och bra mkt av dessa inlägg är en massa spam, inte mycket att vara stolt över.
finns säkert trådar som har mer än 5000 inlägg.

http://www.911blogger.com/2006/07/st911-press-release-scholars-for-911.html

Member's children threatened by name, teacher's position under assault



Duluth, MN (PRWEB) July 2, 2006 --- The author of an article about the attack on the World Trade Center has found himself under attack for having published it in a new on-line publication, Journal of 9/11 Studies.

Entitled "The Flying Elephant", the article discusses evidence that a third airplane was captured on video at the time of the WTC attack. He has now received a thinly-veiled threat against his children, who are cited by name, suggesting it would be a good idea if his article were to simply "go away"...

Scholars for 9/11 Truth under Attack:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/PressRelease_2Jul2006.html

www.journalof911studies.com - Läs the flying elephant nu!

Vad är så lustigt?

Menar du att det måste stå fotografer beredda att fota just när man använder skärbrännaren? Är det det viktigaste momentet att dokumentera?

Antagligen är den bild du länkade till en helt vanlig sk. miljöbild. Alltså var det bildens helhet som var det intressanta, att den visade en massa rasbråte och en gubbe ller två, och själva den avskyrba pelaren var antagligen inte alls tänkt som bildens viktigaste huvudobjekt, utan kom med kanske mest av en slump.

Vi har ju sett andra bilder och filmsnuttar från nyhetssändningar under arbetet med att söka efter offer och upprensningsarbetet, där man tydligt kunnat se gnistregn och gnistsprut från skärbrännare och kapmaskiner. Så varför skulle det vara nåt mysko med en avkapad pelare som den på bilden, i synnerhet när skärsnitten visar upp alla tydliga kännetecken på att ha gjorts med just helt vanlig utrustning så som skärbrännare eller plasma. Jag personligen röstar för vanlig hederlig skärbrännare då de är mer vanligt förkommande och oftare finns för grövre material och det finns gott om slagg runt snitten med som ju är vanligt med skärbrännare.

Så sten.b förklara gärna varför allt blir konstigt, mysko och styrkande av en konspiration och Termite-teori bara för att det inte är ett foto även på just när de skär av pelaren?

Jag kan ju upplysa dig om att jag styderat användade av Termite då jag har bekanta inom Banverket, där man ju använder just Termite för att svetsa samman rälsen så det blir helt skarvfritt. Men för att ha någorlunda kontroll på Termiten så måste man använda någon sorts tät form, närmast en formanpassad degel i vilken processen sker. Att bara klabba med Termite löst på ytan av något ger inga raka skarpa snitt utan mest bara blaffiga hål lite hur som helst utan större kontroll.

Så om man nu använde Termite på denna pelare, vilket då måste ha skett i samma tidsrum som planen var till att träffa tornen, eller just när de träffade, eller strax efter. Men hur fixade man denna timing när man inte kan ha så himla bra koll på exakt när planen skulle träffa, eller var, eller en om då det ju enligt er foliehattar var piloter som omöjligt kunde ha flugit planen då de var för kassa. Sen kan du ju förklara hur man har kunna applicera denna form och Termiten på pelaren bakom väggar och paneler i en skrapa fullt med folk dygnet runt.

Dr Tinnitus

Men allvarligt, du som skrek dig hes om att folk inte svarade på dina frågor, är det inte dags att stoppa pengarna där du har munnen. Det finns en prydlig rad och bara väntar på dig, men jag förstår att du förtvivlat försöker glömma bort dem, för det har ju inte gått så bra tidigare när du försökt föra en dialog själv. Det måste kännas VÄLDIGT mycket tryggare att använda dina konspirationslänkar som någon slags rollator.

Eftersom jag besitter ett stort intresse för teknik och bilar i synnerhet så surfade jag runt lite idag.

Hittade detta... http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9513

Sorligt då Tyskarna är väldigt duktiga på att bygga bra bilar.

Men dess då mer sorgligt för alla insnöade folk som tror på att 9/11 är en falserad historia och att Bush ligger bakom detta.

Tittar man noga på bilderna som tagits efter branden så ser man en sektion av transportvagnen totalt säckat ihop. Varför har den gjort detta då? Ja enligt vissa här i tråden så skulle det bero på att Bush har använt themrite för en brand kan inte få stål att ändra form.


Det intressanta i detta som hände i Tyskland är att belastningen på vagnen är minimal om vi jämför med vad balkarna i World Trade Center fick utstå. Kylningen runt vagnarna var mycket högre än vid branden i World Trade Center.

Ändå så deformeras stålet kraftigt, konstigt va?

Nej detta visar bara med all tydlighet vad som hände den 9 september 2001 i World Trade Center. En kraftig brand som får det redan trasiga stålet i konstruktionen att deformeras så kraftigt att varje våningsplan ger vika och tar den kortaste vägen ner.

Mycket intressant länk! Man tackar (och väntar på att foliehattarna skall låtsas som ingenting, än mindre svara på några gamla frågor, kanske det kommer lite nya skräplänkar som de inte kan svara på frågor om vad det lider, vad vet jag?)

NIST består av ett gäng lögnaktiga fegisar lol! Och jag undrar hur länge arab foliehattarna kommer låtsas att tornen pannkakskollapsade ...

http://www.teamliberty.net/id273.html

Change in Venue or Date will not Alter Decision

July 3, 2006 – As a direct result of the government scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) producing and providing for public consumption, an unsustainable theory of how the World Trade Center North Tower and South Tower each collapsed at freefall speed on September 11, 2001, tens of millions of Americans, and millions more people abroad, now rightly question whether the U.S. government’s account of what happened on 9/11 is the truth.

Confronted with the overwhelming amount of independent research conducted and compiled since 9/11 that clearly and fairly challenges the validity of the government’s “pancake theory” of collapse, the Muckraker Report decided to host a National 9/11 Debate with the hope that the U.S. government would take this opportunity to answer many of the unanswered questions pertaining to 9/11.

The fact is that the gap between what the government has told the mainstream media parrots regarding September 11, 2001, and what independent researchers and real journalists have uncovered, is too large and obnoxious to be left unchecked.

For example, Dr. Judy Wood, professor of Mechanical Engineering has offered research titled, A Refutation of the Official Collapse Theory - http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html - In her research, Dr. Judy Wood addresses the simplicity of the science that clearly dismisses the government’s current theory of collapse as a false statement.

Why the mainstream media news editors are unwilling or unable to wrap their minds around the fact that if a billiard ball were to be dropped from 1,362 feet (height of the South Tower) in a vacuum, meaning no air resistance to slow the ball’s dissent, according to Professor Woods and easily validated by any mechanical engineer or physics professor, the billiard ball would require 9.22 seconds to hit the ground.

How then did the towers collapse in 10 seconds and 11.4 seconds, and why has not one member of the mainstream media insisted on honest answers from the government in this regard?

The fact is that the government’s account of how the twin towers collapsed has already been proven false. The laws of gravity alone dictate that for the twin towers to have collapsed according to the NIST “pancake theory” required at least a 30 second collapse cycle.

The North Tower collapsed 11.4 seconds. The South Tower collapsed in 10 seconds. The actual collapse time of each tower disproves the government’s theory. As much as the hysterical neo con mouthpieces want to label those of us not confused by the facts as conspiracy theorists, the scientific evidence remains that the twin towers could not have collapsed as the government claims.

Regardless of what you want to believe about the events of September 11, 2001, believing the government’s “pancake theory” is to believe a completely false statement. In the final scientific analysis – the “pancake theory” fails.

As desperate as the mainstream media is to not allow Internet news sources to prove how the U.S. government played the editors at ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC, Associated Press, Reuters, New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, etc. like big time fools regarding 9/11 events, the scientific facts dictate that the time is fast approaching when the editors at these media outlets will have to realize, research, and reconcile the fact that the government has yet to produce a theory on the collapse sequence of the twin towers or the phantom collapse of World Trade Center Building Seven that can be scientifically-validated through the peer evaluation process.

The fact is that scientists outside the government’s control have been conducting peer evaluation of the NIST scientists and their “pancake theory” for years now, and the government theory has failed to pass the test. Its failure to pass the test means that the government has yet to provide a sustainable explanation of how the twin towers collapsed.

This is not unusual in the scientific community; the process of working hypothesis, research, presenting a theory, subjecting the theory to peer evaluation, and then if failing peer evaluation, returning to the research and even the hypothesis.

What is different in this instance though is the stakes; and they couldn’t be higher because so much of what the U.S. government has done since 9/11 is contingent on the majority of the public believing that those twin towers collapsed as the result of the airplane impacts.

With an estimated 42% of the American public now skeptical of the 9/11 Commission Report as well as the NIST “pancake theory”; the government knows it is losing the information war on 9/11, and has recently began to mount its predictable counter-offensive.

That could explain why the mainstream media is starting to invite professors that disagree with the government scientists onto its wide variety of canned news shows and into its newspaper pages – not to give these heroic Americans a fair, non-hostile venue to present their findings –but to smear their creditability and label them as conspiracy nuts!

Who then, I ask you, is the conspiracy nut? Those that display contempt prior to investigation, those that blindly believe a government account that defies the laws of physics and gravity, or those that point out that the elapsed collapse times of the North Tower and South Tower completely eliminate the possibility that the government’s “pancake theory” has any merit whatsoever.

When faced with the challenge of a National 9/11 Debate, the Muckraker Report turned to the well-respected work of Professor Jones and Professor Fetzer at Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

The Muckraker Report contacted Professor Fetzer and asked if he could assemble a highly qualified seven-member civilian debate team that would be willing to debate a seven-member government debate team regarding the government’s account of 9/11 events.

Professor Fetzer had a team assembled in two weeks. With the civilian debate team in place, the Muckraker Report identified twenty-nine potential government debate team members to include the ten members of the 9/11 Commission and the thirteen NIST scientists responsible for the government’s “pancake theory” of collapse.

Each of these potential government debate team members was mailed numerous invitations. Five of the 9/11 Commissioners had staffers contact the Muckraker Report via telephone to decline invitation due to “prior commitments”. However, the thirteen NIST scientists remained silent.

After three separate mailings of hard copy invitations to the NIST scientists, on June 8, 2006 the Muckraker Report received e-mail from NIST that said, “The project leaders of the NIST World Trade Center investigation team respectfully decline your invitations to participate in the National 9/11 Debate on September 16, 2006.”

Not to be deterred, on June 20, 2006 the Muckraker Report e-mailed Michael E. Newman, NIST Director of Media Relations, and asked if there was a better date, time, and location for NIST to participate in the National 9/11 Debate.

On June 25, 2006, NIST Director of Media Relations, Michael E. Newman responded:

The members of the NIST WTC Investigation Team has [sic] respectfully declined your invitation to participate in the National 9/11 Debate. A change in venue or date will not alter that decision.

A change of venue or date will not alter that decision. Fascinating!

What Newman is telling the world is that the public servants at NIST, the people paid by the U.S. taxpayers, will never, ever publicly debate their peers regarding the “pancake theory” of collapse of WTC-1, WTC-2, and WTC-7. Taxpayers should be outraged! The public needs to demand accountability.

Apparently, the Gang of 13 at NIST does not believe they are accountable to the people. That needs to change, pronto! Newman has repeatedly told the Muckraker Report that NIST “stands solidly behind the collapse mechanisms for each tower and the sequences of events (from aircraft impact to collapse) as described in the report.”

The truth is that NIST is hiding behind its unsustainable theory and dares not publicly debate the merits of its report.

When it comes to alternative hypotheses, NIST had none. When challenged on the work of BYU Professor Steven Jones and the preliminary analysis of steel debris from ground zero indicating incendiary devices, with the release of the conclusive evidence imminent, Newman said, “NIST respects the opinions of others who do not agree with the findings in its report on the collapses of WTC-1 and WTC-2.”

To translate this government rhetoric: Even if Jesus Christ descended from heaven, walked into NIST headquarters holding a piece of molten steel from ground zero along with unequivocal evidence of incendiary device compounds and chemicals found on the steel, substances such as Thermate, Newman and the Neo Cons, (That would be a great name for a punk rock band!) would respect the opinion of the Lord, but it wouldn’t change their report.

And make no mistake about it – the NIST report on probable collapse sequence of the twin towers is a blind and baseless opinion, a complete waste of taxpayer dollars, and one of the most atrocious lies every told to the American people!

The Muckraker Report asked Newman if NIST tested any of the steel from the twin towers for trace evidence of common controlled demolition compounds. NIST refuses to answer this question directly. Even when challenged for a simple “yes” or “no” answer to a simple “yes” or “no” question, Newman instead offered this response.

NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to September 11, 2001.

Well, no kidding Newman! If NIST didn’t look for corroborating evidence of controlled demolition, no doubt NIST didn’t find any.

The question is, “Did NIST test for controlled demolition evidence?”

The answer is NO it did not - yet another reason to dismiss the entire NIST report as pure government propaganda. Did NIST test for what BYU Professor Steven Jones is now testing for and finding, and what will NIST do with solid scientific evidence that proves that controlled demolition compounds were part of the collapse sequence of the twin towers? Unless the public demands otherwise, NIST will continue to hide solidly behind its work!

This is one lie that cannot be allowed to stand. It must be broken. The truth must prevail. Too much privacy and liberty, and too many lives have already been lost because of this lie. The stakes simply could not be any higher at this time. Lives are at risk – to include yours and mine. Never give up!

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