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Det finns även ett avtal mellan Nederländerna och Ukr-ruina att om det visar sig att Ukr medborgare är misstänkta för nedskjutningen så skall en eventuell rättegång hållas via video, inte på plats i Nl.
Likaså skall eventuellt dömda från Ukr avtjäna sina straff i Ukr och inte i Nl.
Det kallar jag korrupt internationellt rättsväsende!
Samtidigt så visar sig Nl vara en aktiv part i terrorism där man skjuter ned civila flygplan för att uppnå politiska mål.
Likaså skall eventuellt dömda från Ukr avtjäna sina straff i Ukr och inte i Nl.
Det kallar jag korrupt internationellt rättsväsende!
Samtidigt så visar sig Nl vara en aktiv part i terrorism där man skjuter ned civila flygplan för att uppnå politiska mål.
Jag har aldrig hört om det avtal som du nämner, men oavsett det, det är underordnat "a non disclosure agreement"
OFF TOPIC (?)
Det finns många märkligheter, bl.a.:
- Ukraina nekade från första början att hade "BUK"
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- svarta lådorna är borta, utan att innehållet avslöjats
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's advisor denied on Thursday that Ukraine possessed any Buk-M1 systems at the time of the July 17, 2014 Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash. On Tuesday, surface-to-air missile system manufacturer Almaz-Antey presented a report which indicated that a Buk-M1 missile, operated by the Ukrainian military, was likely responsible for the disaster.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150607/1023057320.html
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150607/1023057320.html
- Ukraina besköt oavbrutet nedslagsplatsen oavsett FN tillfälliga vapenvila, med andra ord platsen kunde bli "kontaminerad" med en annan ammunition
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- Ukraina har gjort samtliga obduktioner och övriga analyser, Oleksandr Ruvin !
Lavrov says that the only way that Russia can live up to the demands of the US and ensure the safety of investigators is through the use of Russian peacekeepers, as Kiev has previously stated that they (Kiev) does not assume responsibility for the safety of international experts.
https://thedailyledeblog.wordpress.c...-to-mh17-site/
https://thedailyledeblog.wordpress.c...-to-mh17-site/
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With regard to the armed assault on Oleksandr Ruvin (see News on MH17 in 2015). He was shot late on 18 November and wounded reportedly in legs and pelvis. As it is said in the news items published on this site, “Ruvin has played a key role in the invesigation of the crash” of MH17. He is director of Kyiv Research Institute of Forensic Expertise. It is interesting what is written about Ruvin by Censor.net.ua chief editor Yuri Butusov, an influential Ukrainian journalist. In his Facebook, Butusov wrote (in Russian, translation is mine): “It is hard to overestimate the importance of the job done by KNIISE (the Russian abbreviation for Kiev Research Institute of Forensic Expertise). It is under Ruvin’s leadership that all the expert conclusions, videos and presentations were made on this case [MH17]. It is KNIISE who made the biochemical analysis of the metal fragments of the Russian Buk and who carried out the expertise of the warheads of Ukraine’s surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles, which proved Ukraine’s non-involvement in this crime. It is its [KNIISE’s] expert conclusions that were taken as a basis by the Dutch prosecutors. The investigation continues – in coming days, Ukraine is to send to the Netherlands another lot of forensic evidence on this case”.
I believe that if the investigation of the MH17 tragedy were not so charged politically, Ukraine Armed Forces would have been one of the suspects. If it is true what Butusov wrote, then it is incomprehensible: Ukraine is the leading expert in the investigation!
I believe that if the investigation of the MH17 tragedy were not so charged politically, Ukraine Armed Forces would have been one of the suspects. If it is true what Butusov wrote, then it is incomprehensible: Ukraine is the leading expert in the investigation!
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- även om man kan tro att det är Holland som leder förundersökningen (eftersom det är den holländske åklagaren som "presenterar" olika rapporter), är det i själva verket Ukraina som leder hela förundersökningen, enligt "ex Major-general of Justice" Vasili Vovk (SBU):
Some more information about Ruvins background :
Master forger in Ukraine
“The main accused of inflaming the Ukraine next corruption scandal was Alexander Ruvin director of the Kiev scientific research institute of forensic examinations (KNIISE).
As director KNIISE, he was directly involved in the fabrication of criminal cases against Tymoshenko and Lutsenko. (..)
He turned KNIISE, which by definition was to serve the cause of justice, in the semi-criminal organization, a mechanism for the protection of the authorities and the persecution of dissidents.”
http://www.segodnia.ru/content/166033
Master forger in Ukraine
“The main accused of inflaming the Ukraine next corruption scandal was Alexander Ruvin director of the Kiev scientific research institute of forensic examinations (KNIISE).
As director KNIISE, he was directly involved in the fabrication of criminal cases against Tymoshenko and Lutsenko. (..)
He turned KNIISE, which by definition was to serve the cause of justice, in the semi-criminal organization, a mechanism for the protection of the authorities and the persecution of dissidents.”
http://www.segodnia.ru/content/166033
Ukraina ledningsroll i förundersökningen, Holland/JIT är bara "talesperson/communicator"
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/inquests/70292.html
- det hör inte precis till vanligheten att en brottsmisstänkt för nedskjutningen, och dessutom skyldig för att inte stängt "luftrummet" att "utreda" sig självt
Vad Peter Iiskola finsk domare och diplomat säger om utredningen om MH17:
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- We are facing a legal farce and a grave injustice for all the relatives of the 298 victims thanks to the fact that Netherlands and Ukraine have forgotten in the case of MH17 that “Nemo iudex in causa sua” or that no one should judge or investigate in his own cause, says Finnish judge and diplomat Peter Iiskola, who is expert in international air and space law.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f..._fb_noscript=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f..._fb_noscript=1
Eftersom "rättsväsendet" (i normala länder) är skild från politiken, känns utomordentligt märkligt att Porky-shenko och även andra politiker uttalar sig om fallet, och inte bara det, blandar ihop MH17 med Ukraina AA med EU (som Holland fortfarande inte ratificerade):
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President of Ukraine Poroshenko sent a remarkable Tweet on Friday July 17 2015.
Around 15:00 Western European Time he sent the following text:
“The Netherlands finished its investigation into #MH17 disaster. The plane was shot down by a Russian missile launched by a Russian crew“. This text was also sent in a separate Tweet in Ukraine language.
Aroud 30 minutes later the Tweet was deleted.
Poroshenko also wrote a statement on his website. He writes : ” A highly technological weapon, with which the aircraft was shot could have come into hands of the terrorists only from Russia. It would not have happened without participation, without a direct order from the highest political and military leadership of the neighboring state.”
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17....sile-and-crew/
Around 15:00 Western European Time he sent the following text:
“The Netherlands finished its investigation into #MH17 disaster. The plane was shot down by a Russian missile launched by a Russian crew“. This text was also sent in a separate Tweet in Ukraine language.
Aroud 30 minutes later the Tweet was deleted.
Poroshenko also wrote a statement on his website. He writes : ” A highly technological weapon, with which the aircraft was shot could have come into hands of the terrorists only from Russia. It would not have happened without participation, without a direct order from the highest political and military leadership of the neighboring state.”
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17....sile-and-crew/
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At October 25 the Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs of Ukraine (European integration issues) Ms. Olena Zerkal had a meeting with a number of Dutch members of Parliament.
However, she said something remarkable. Zerkal stated that ratification of the treaty by the Netherlands would improve the investigaton into MH17. To me as an observer it was not clear why ratification would make the investigation better.
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17....-ratification/
However, she said something remarkable. Zerkal stated that ratification of the treaty by the Netherlands would improve the investigaton into MH17. To me as an observer it was not clear why ratification would make the investigation better.
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17....-ratification/
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Ukraine president Poroshenko said at an EU meeting in Brussels some remarkable things. He made a link between the MH17 investigation and the hesitation of the Netherlands in not signing the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement.
“We are having a very effective cooperation with the Dutch nation starting with the investigation in MH17 disaster and terrorist attack. It was mine decision when I trust the Dutch investigation to give them the leading role because they suffered the most. In that case I think that it would be a very dangerous precedent if ratification is not happening”.
In short, Poroshenko wanted “something for something ” or Quid pro Quo.
The next day Dutch PM Rutte stated “it is not wise to link the MH17 investigation to the ratification of the Ukraine-EU treaty”. Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reported about the response of Rutte here.
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17....ine-eu-treaty/
“We are having a very effective cooperation with the Dutch nation starting with the investigation in MH17 disaster and terrorist attack. It was mine decision when I trust the Dutch investigation to give them the leading role because they suffered the most. In that case I think that it would be a very dangerous precedent if ratification is not happening”.
In short, Poroshenko wanted “something for something ” or Quid pro Quo.
The next day Dutch PM Rutte stated “it is not wise to link the MH17 investigation to the ratification of the Ukraine-EU treaty”. Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reported about the response of Rutte here.
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17....ine-eu-treaty/
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From Poroshenkos Website :
„The Ukrainian President and the Prime Minister of the Netherlands coordinated future common actions on the investigation into the tragedy of the MH17 flight shot down by Russian militants in July 2014.“
http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/...es-yakij-36935
„The Ukrainian President and the Prime Minister of the Netherlands coordinated future common actions on the investigation into the tragedy of the MH17 flight shot down by Russian militants in July 2014.“
http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/...es-yakij-36935
