Skulle det gå att göra en personlista på alla som dog under andra världskriget

For Mormons, posthumous baptism is a religious responsibility. A living Mormon serves as a stand-in to baptize those who weren’t Mormons in their lifetime so they can join in an afterlife. All that’s needed are names of the dead.

By the early 1960s, the Mormon Church had developed a reputation for its interest in archives with a voluminous list of names. Poland had that, but it didn’t have a lot of money to take care of its records. So in 1968 the Poles approached the Mormons for help.

“It was an agreement in which our friends from Utah were paying and providing us with equipment and materials for microfilming,” said Wladyslaw Stepniak, general director of the Polish State Archives in Warsaw.

The Mormons gave Poland cash and equipment to modernise its archives. They also paid to have locals put hundreds of thousands of primary documents onto microfilm. The Mormons got their own copy. In fact, Stepniak said the Utah microfilms are so complete that he planned to ask the Mormons to fill in gaps he’d discovered in his own archives.

“We will ask our friends in Utah — dear friends, be so kind, send us scans of these microfilms.”

Some of those microfilms include the names of Jews who died in the Holocaust, and quite a few of them have been baptized by the Mormons.

“When a person lived as a Jew and was murdered as a Jew in the Holocaust, to try and change their religion after the fact seems particularly inappropriate, distasteful, wrong,” said Michael Schudrich, the chief rabbi of Poland. He’s a New Yorker who was invited 18 years ago to help revive and lead the small Jewish community in Warsaw. He’s troubled by the Mormon baptisms.

In December 2002, independent researcher Helen Radkey published a report showing that, following a 1995 promise from the church to remove Jewish Holocaust victims from its International Genealogical Index, the church's database included the names of about 19,000 who had a 40 to 50 percent chance "to be Holocaust victims ... in Russia, Poland, France, and Austria."[45][46] Genealogist Bernard Kouchel conducted a search of the International Genealogical Index, and discovered that many well known Jews had been vicariously baptized, including Maimonides, Albert Einstein, andIrving Berlin, without family permission.[47][48

Skulle det med dagens tillgång till register i de flesta inblandade länder och med dagens teknik gå att göra en personlista på var, när, hur och orsak till alla de som avled under andra världskriget?

[...]didn’t have a lot of money to take care of its records. So in 1968 the Poles approached the Mormons for help. [...]paying and providing us with equipment and materials for microfilming.

Ursprungligen postat av Moonsan
Dessutom borde det vara lättare att göra listan innan det gått för lång tid.

In December 2002, independent researcher Helen Radkey published a report showing that, following a 1995 promise from the church to remove Jewish Holocaust victims from its International Genealogical Index, the church's database included the names of about 19,000 who had a 40 to 50 percent chance "to be Holocaust victims ... in Russia, Poland, France, and Austria."[45][46] Genealogist Bernard Kouchel conducted a search of the International Genealogical Index, and discovered that many well known Jews had been vicariously baptized, including Maimonides, Albert Einstein, andIrving Berlin, without family permission.[47][48]

• What if LDS Church members who use the Family Search database to submit names for proxy religious rites were required to complete an annual online training with explicit instructions and penalties for inappropriate submission of names?
• What if LDS Church members who use the Family Search database were required to provide an electronic signature each time they submitted names for proxy religious rites acknowledging that they agreed to forfeit access to the database if they were found in violation of the policy?
• What if high-volume submitters were randomly audited for documentation of direct ancestral ties to the names they submitted for baptism, on penalty of being denied access to the database, or worse?
• What if letters were read in LDS Sunday meetings stressing the importance of the no-baptize policies, or talks given at LDS meetings by ranking Church officials stressing respect for the sanctity of the no-baptize policies?
• What if the Church crowdsourced efforts to monitor databases for the names of Holocaust victims?
These steps may not address the deeper objections people of other faiths have to proxy baptisms, but would demonstrate a deeper commitment on the part of Mormons to respecting the memory of the Wiesenthal family and other Holocaust victims.

Var tog de vägen? (De försvunna judarna)

Ursprungligen postat av Herr Lindholm
Man hade bestämt sig för att judar inte utgjorde en religiös, utan en etnisk grupp. I folkbokföringregistren så stod det vilken religion folk tillhörde. Så användee man sig av registren för att ställa upp jättestora släktträd. Hade en person för många judiska förfäder så sågs de som judar, oavsett vad de själva såg sig som.

Ursprungligen postat av stanislav

Ursprungligen postat av Erleb
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De polska demograferna fick tydligen tag i folkbokföringsregister (de rabbinska), vars upprättare hade bestämt sig för att judar inte bara utgjorde en religiös, utan en etnisk grupp.

De ”official birth tables” utgick från att i folkbokföringsregistren så stod det vilken religion folk tillhörde, och om det inte stod att föräldrarna bekände sig till den mosaiska tron, så räknades barnen som polacker istf judar.(?)

Rabbinerna visste annat besked, efter sin egen definition om vem som var jude?