Lagro fick FLAK...
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Ursprungligen postat av Dr Tinnitus
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Har du inga seriösa bevis för din påhittade rapport så kan du sluta dra fram den, det är bara desinformation och debattsabottage att tjata om saker som man inte har minsta seriösa bevis för.
...och kastar in handduken....
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Ursprungligen postat av Lagro
Jag har läst rapporten från länken 05-11-2002
The ICR and the Nazi death camps.
Eftersom rapporten från 1948 inte nämns, är den väl raderat om den funnits och skall inte tas någon hänsyn till.
Jag har inte hittat på någon rapport och ser det här som avslutat.
https://www.flashback.org/sp37672324
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Ursprungligen postat av Dr Tinnitus
Det finns alltså inga som helst bevis för att rapporten du tjatat om existerat och är äkta över huvud taget, och de enda som påstår att den finns är förintelseförnekarsidor och liknande på nätet och deras hejarklackar dit du ingår. Så ja, du hittade på och saken är avslutad, ingen äkta rapport enligt det du beskrivit finns från ICRC från 1948.
"...ingen äkta rapport enligt det du beskrivit finns från ICRC från 1948."
Det borde betyda att den rapport som scrapbookpages.com citerar här...
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Three months after their inspection of Theresienstadt, the Red Cross visited the Auschwitz death camp in September 1944 but failed to notice that the purported shower rooms there were really gas chambers. In 1948, the Red Cross released a three volume report in which the findings on the Auschwitz visit were included: "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol.III, p. 594). Apparently the Red Cross representatives couldn't tell the difference between the fake shower heads in the gas chambers at Birkenau and real shower nozzles in a genuine shower room.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/czechrepublic/theresienstadt/theresienstadtghetto/history/redcrossvisit.html
...inte finns?
Åtminstone ingen "äkta"?
Men Deborah Lipstadt refererar till rapporten här, med volymer och sidor angivna...
http://www.vho.org/aaargh/engl/dl/denying6.html
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Harwood could make this claim only by ignoring key sections of the ICRC report. The Red Cross was absolutely specific about the Jews' fate. It made reference to the Nazi attempt to annihilate them, observing that under Nazi rule Jews had been transformed into "outcasts condemned by rigid racial legislation to suffer tyranny, persecution and systematic extermination." ( 49 ) The ICRC, which was empowered to exercise supervision over other prisonevs and POWs, admitted it could not do this for the Jews. "No kind of protection shielded them; being neither POW nor civilian internees, they formed a separate category without the benefit of any Convention." Most important, the ICRC specifically delineated how systematic annihilation was carried out: "They were penned into concentration camps and ghettos, recruited for forced labour, subjected to grave brutalities and sent to death camps without anyone being allowed to intervene in those matters." ( 50 ) These were not the ICRC's only references to death camps or systematic annihilation.
Fotnot 49:
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49. The Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) on its Activities during the Second World War (Geneva, 1948), vol. 1, p. 641 (italics added). The report is replete with numerous quotes that demonstrate that Harwood totally misconstrued its findings. For additional examples see Suzman and Diamond, Six Million Did Die, p. 12.
Här skriver Lipstadt om citatet från (Vol.III, p 594) ovan:
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When they found problems they acted swiftly "to have fixtures made less primitive and to have them repaired or enlarged." ( 53 ) This, Harwood argued, demonstrated conclusively that showers functioned as showers, however primitive, and not as killing apparatus. The problem with Harwood's choice of this citation, which he quoted cor -
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rectly, is that the passage had nothing to do with German concentration camps: It referred to Allied camps for civilian internees in Egypt. ( 5 4)
Fotnot 54.
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Report of the ICRC, vol. 1, p. 594. Harwood incorrectly cited this passage as coming from vol. 3
Här är citatet ifråga från Harwoods bok:
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"Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol.III, p. 594).
NOT ALL WERE INTERNED
Volume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of the free population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population.
http://www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd07.html
Rätt sidangivelse, men fel volym...
Röda korset kan inte tänkas ha sysslat med att inspektera duschmunstycken i duschrummen när de besökte Auschwitz, men skrev ändå om den judiska civilbefolkningen ( i del I av volym III; se ovan - jag tror Vol III kallas "Relief Activities").
Utan inspektionsrätt...
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Ursprungligen postat av
Trifle
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Om Internationella Röda Korsets inspektionsrätt. De internationella konventionerna omfattade endast militärer, alltså ej civila. Det framgår klart av dessa två länkar,
http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/do...isc/6ayg86.htm och
http://www.redcross.int/en/history/timeline3.asp
https://www.flashback.org/sp37665902
....var det bara för ICRC att konstatera att...
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[...]that under Nazi rule Jews had been transformed into "outcasts condemned by rigid racial legislation to suffer tyranny, persecution and systematic extermination." ( 49 )
(se ovan)
Duschmunstycksinspektion fick begränsas till de allierades läger för civila i Egypten istället (se Lipstad ovan).
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Apparently the Red Cross representatives couldn't tell the difference between the fake shower heads in the gas chambers at Birkenau and real shower nozzles in a genuine shower room.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/czechrepublic/theresienstadt/theresienstadtghetto/history/redcrossvisit.html
Dom försökte inte ens....
