2025-07-04, 16:11
  #1117
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I t ex Storbritannien uppger 7% av befolkningen att de sett utomjordingar. Det blir nästan 5 miljoner pers, bara i UK.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/36619-half-britons-think-aliens-exist-and-7-claim-have-s

Hur många har upplevt frysreaktion vid våldtäkt?

Ingen aning eftersom jag inte var närvarande vid de tillfällena, liksom jag inte var med vid alla de andra tillfällena som människor vittnat om att de "frös".
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2025-07-04, 16:12
  #1118
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"genom vår historia"

Genom vår historia har människor sett jättar, knytt och åttahövdade vidunder också.

Var mer specifik om "väldokumenterat genom vår historia".

Sluta tramsa nu.
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2025-07-04, 16:13
  #1119
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Det har jag aldrig sagt. Jag bara konstaterar att faktumet att människor vittnat om "frysreaktion vid våldtäkt" inte per automatik betyder att fenomenet existerar.

Precis som faktumet att människor vittnat om att de har blivit bortförda av utomjordingar inte per automatik betyder att det fenomenet existerar.

Ok.
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2025-07-04, 16:25
  #1120
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Hur väldokumenterat är det? Jag kollade lite snabbt på wikipedia, och där stod detta


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Tonic immobility, a state of motor inhibition and muscular rigidity in response to perceived life threat, is surprisingly common in humans, particularly in the context of sexual assault. Studies show that a significant percentage of sexual assault survivors report experiencing tonic immobility during the assault, with some experiencing it as a major part of their traumatic experience.
More details:
Prevalence in sexual assault:
Research indicates that a substantial portion of sexual assault survivors report experiencing tonic immobility during the assault. One study found that 70% of female participants reported experiencing significant tonic immobility, and 48% reported experiencing extreme tonic immobility.
A normal, natural response:
Tonic immobility is a natural, involuntary defense reaction that can occur when someone feels threatened.
Impact on survivors:
While a natural response, tonic immobility can have negative psychological consequences for survivors, including feelings of shame and self-blame.
Tonic immobility and PTSD:
Tonic immobility during a traumatic event, like sexual assault, has been linked to the development of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and severe depression according to the Maryland Coalition Against Sexual Assault.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+common+is+tonic+immobility+in+humans& oq=how+common+is+tonic+immobility&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJv bWUqBwgDECEYnwUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRifBT IHCAMQIRifBTIHCAQQIRifBTIHCAUQIRif BdIBCTMzNTMzajBqOagCDrACAfEFL2okil1LRlk&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8


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Tonic immobility in humans is a newer field of study, but it is becoming clear that this response is extremely common in sexual assault victims. When someone is assaulted, they may feel themselves becoming stiff, rigid, and unable to move, either for a portion of an assault or throughout the full traumatic event. If you have ever heard a survivor describe that they just “froze up,” during an assault, it is likely they are describing tonic immobility.

In a recent study of sexual assault survivors, a full 70% reported that they experienced tonic immobility for at least a portion of their assault.[2] While tonic immobility is a completely normal, natural response, this does have a number of repercussions for service providers to consider. First, previous studies have found that survivors who experienced tonic immobility often feel more shame and self-blame after an assault[3]--a consequence of cultural belief in the myth that survivors should always run or fight back. In the newer study, researchers also found that survivors who experienced tonic immobility were more likely to experience depression and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder after an assault.

https://mcasa.org/newsletters/article/trauma-and-the-brain-understanding-tonic-immobility#:~:text=Tonic%20immobility%20in%20human s%20is,th roughout%20the%20full%20traumatic%20event.

Den här diskussionen handlar egentligen om den gamla vanliga skambeläggningen av offer, speciellt kvinnliga sådana, för sexuellt våld. Gruppen män våldtar och utsätter flera hundratals miljoner flickor och kvinnor för sexuellt våld varje år. Gruppen män misstror och skambelägger kvinnliga offer för sexuellt våld. Det här har pågått genom hela människans historia. Go figure varför det är såhär.

Om 'ni' bortsåg från ert hat och ärvda misstro mot kvinnor och istället försökte tänka efter lite så är det inte så jävla svårt att tänka sig att tex en ung tjej som blir våldtagen av sin morbror, bror, brors kompis, manliga kusin, manliga klasskamrat, gruppvåldtagen i nån konflikt, osv osv osv, drabbas av, iallafall initialt, tonisk immobilitet.
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2025-07-04, 16:29
  #1121
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Tonic immobility, a state of temporary motor inhibition and reduced responsiveness to stimuli, is a known phenomenon that can occur during traumatic events, including those experienced during World War I. While not explicitly linked to shell shock in historical records, the concept of tonic immobility as a defensive response to extreme fear aligns with the experiences of soldiers facing the intense trauma of trench warfare.
Understanding Tonic Immobility in the Context of WWI:
Peritraumatic Response:
Tonic immobility is an involuntary reaction to extreme fear and perceived entrapment, often occurring during life-threatening situations.
"Shell Shock" and Trauma:
While "shell shock" was the term used in WWI to describe the psychological effects of warfare, it encompassed a range of symptoms, including those that could be associated with tonic immobility.
Trench Warfare:
The constant bombardment, exposure to violence, and lack of escape in trench warfare created an environment conducive to traumatic experiences, potentially triggering tonic immobility in some soldiers.
Relationship to PTSD:
Research suggests a link between tonic immobility and the development of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
Historical Context:
The medical understanding of shell shock evolved, with initial theories attributing it to physical injury, but later acknowledging the psychological impact of the war.
Key Points about Tonic Immobility:
Involuntary Reaction:
It's a reflexive response, not a conscious choice.
Defense Mechanism:
It's believed to be a defense mechanism when flight or fight responses are not possible.
Varied Presentations:
Tonic immobility can manifest differently in individuals, and its severity can vary.
Impact on PTSD:
It's considered a predictor of PTSD development and can impact the severity and treatment outcomes for PTSD.
In essence, while tonic immobility wasn't specifically named or recognized as such during WWI, the experiences of soldiers facing extreme trauma and the subsequent development of shell shock align with the understanding of tonic immobility as a peritraumatic response to life-threatening situations.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tonic+immobility+world+war+1&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&sca_esv=0b57074bcd187e3a&sxsrf=AE3TifM9xR_SgK eu8Ck4_koQKIZ6Tk7JVQ%3A1751639229648&ei=veRnaIWlJ5 zKwPAPxouzsAo&oq=tonic+immobility+world+war+&gs_lp =EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIht0b25pYyBpbW1vYmlsa XR5IHdvcmxkIHdhciAqAggCMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBR AhGKABMgUQIRigAUi7VlDBDVieRnABeAGQAQCYAa0BoAGbDKoB BDAuMTG4AQHIAQD4AQGYAgygAqgNwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICDR AAGIAEGLADGEMYigXCAgoQABiABBhDGIoFwgIFEAAYgATCAgoQ ABiABBgUGIcCwgIGEAAYFhgewgILEAAYgAQYhgMYigXCAggQAB gFGA0YHsICBxAhGKABGArCAgUQABjvBcICBRAhGJ8FmAMAiAYB kAYRkgcEMS4xMaAH0DqyBwQwLjExuAeXDcIHBTItNC44yAeIAQ &sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
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2025-07-04, 16:30
  #1122
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Sluta tramsa nu.
Det är du som ska sluta tramsa och börja visa siffrorna.
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2025-07-04, 16:32
  #1123
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Tonic immobility, also known as the "freeze" or "paralysis" response, can occur in humans during traumatic events like car accidents. This involuntary reaction is characterized by an inability to move, vocalize, or feel pain, even while remaining conscious. In the context of road accidents, tonic immobility can be triggered by the extreme fear and perceived lack of escape during the event, or by the physical restraint of a seatbelt.
Understanding Tonic Immobility in Road Accidents:
Triggering Factors:
Road accidents, especially those involving high impact or perceived danger, can induce extreme fear in individuals, which can trigger tonic immobility. The physical restraint of a seatbelt, or the feeling of being trapped in the vehicle, can also contribute to this response.
Physiological Response:
During tonic immobility, the body experiences a flood of hormones that activate in response to the perceived threat, leading to a state of motor inhibition and reduced responsiveness to external stimuli.
Impact on Victims:
Tonic immobility can impair memory and make it difficult for victims to recall details of the accident. It can also lead to dissociation, making it challenging for victims to communicate with authorities or express their emotions.
Potential for Dissociation:
Tonic immobility and dissociation can occur simultaneously, further complicating the victim's experience and making it difficult to provide a coherent account of the event.
PTSD and Tonic Immobility:
Tonic immobility is also associated with PTSD, and research suggests that the immobility response during trauma can be linked to intrusion frequency in PTSD symptoms.
Tonic Immobility in Different Contexts:
While often associated with sexual assault, tonic immobility is observed in various traumatic situations, including car accidents, war-related trauma, natural disasters, and urban violence. In these situations, the perception of extreme fear and/or physical restraint can trigger the freeze response.
In conclusion, tonic immobility is a real and involuntary reaction that can occur in the aftermath of traumatic events like car accidents. Understanding this response is crucial for providing appropriate support and assistance to victims.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tonic+immobility+road+accidents+&client=m s-android-xiaomi-rvo3&sca_esv=0b57074bcd187e3a&sxsrf=AE3TifOe4oAE3m vBv4OlrrG0UNNhR9Zp0Q%3A1751639371763&ei=S-VnaKWmLuKl1fIPvsTNkAM&oq=tonic+immobility+road+acc idents+&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIiB0b25p YyBpbW1vYmlsaXR5IHJvYWQgYWNjaWRlbnRzIDIFECEYoAEyBR AhGKABMg UQIRigAUjZblCeCliOZnAGeAGQAQCYAY4CoAGPH6oBBjEuMjIu M7gBA8gBAPgBAZgCHaAC2h3CAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgIEECMYJ8 ICBxAhGKABGArCAgUQIRifBcICCBAAGAUYDRgewgILEAAYgAQY hgMYigXCAgYQABgWGB7CAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICBRAAGIAEwg IIEAAYFhgKGB7CAgUQABjvBZgDAIgGAZAGCJIHBjcuMTkuM6AH u4wBsgcGMS4xOS4zuAeDHcIHCDItOC4xNi41yAfZAg&sclient =mobile-gws-wiz-serp
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2025-07-04, 16:33
  #1124
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Sharks usually enter tonic immobility in less than a minute. If undisturbed they can remain like this for up to 15 minutes.

Tonic immobility has been used to help test the effectiveness of chemical shark repellents.

https://www.sharktrust.org/tonic-immobility#:~:text=Sharks%20usually%20enter%20toni c%20immobility,effectiveness%20of%20chemical %20shark%20repellents.
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2025-07-04, 16:36
  #1125
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Tonic immobility, also known as animal paralysis or "playing dead," is a natural, involuntary state of temporary paralysis and motor inhibition that some animals exhibit in response to extreme danger or perceived threat. It's a defensive mechanism where an animal becomes immobile and unresponsive, essentially mimicking death. This behavior can be triggered by physical restraint, predator presence, or intense fear.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Mechanism:
Tonic immobility is a reflex response, not a conscious decision. It's triggered by physical stimuli like being held or restrained, or by a perceived threat like a predator.
Effect:
The animal's body becomes rigid, with muscles stiffening, and it becomes unresponsive to external stimuli. This can include a loss of the righting reflex (the ability to flip back over if placed on their back).
Adaptive Value:
The primary adaptive function of tonic immobility is as a defense mechanism against predators. Some predators are less likely to attack or consume prey that appears dead.
Examples:
While often associated with prey animals, tonic immobility has been observed across various taxa, including birds, reptiles, mammals, and even some insects.
Distinction from Freezing:
While both freezing and tonic immobility involve immobility, freezing is an early response to a perceived threat, while tonic immobility is a more profound state that occurs after physical contact or restraint. Freezing is often a precursor to tonic immobility.
Individual Variation:
Some animals show more pronounced tonic immobility responses than others, and the duration and intensity of the response can vary. For example, some studies have shown that the duration of tonic immobility in fire salamander larvae can vary depending on the habitat.
Potential for Escape:
By appearing dead, the animal might create an opportunity to escape if the predator relaxes its guard or moves on.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tonic+immobility+fires&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&sca_esv=0b57074bcd187e3a&sxsrf=AE3TifOh9yOj9N wh42r_bfC7zffa6OPBUA%3A1751639657449&ei=aeZnaLqOG7 -9wPAPyKat0Ak&oq=tonic+immobility+fires&gs_lp=EhNtb 2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhZ0b25pYyBpbW1vYmlsaXR5IGZ pcmVzMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABSP4zUP 4HWJUjcAF4AZABAJgBjQGgAZcFqgEDMS41uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIHoALwBcICBxAjGLADGCfCAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgINEAA YgAQYsA MYQxiKBcICBBAjGCfCAgoQABiABBhDGIoFwgIFEAAYgATCAgYQ ABgWGB7CAgsQABiABBiGAxiKBcICBxAhGKABGAqYAwCIBgGQBh GSBwMyLjWgB5cesgcDMS41uAfgBcIHBTItMi41yAdV&sclient =mobile-gws-wiz-serp
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2025-07-04, 16:37
  #1126
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Ursprungligen postat av Jenny9
Tonic immobility, a state of temporary motor inhibition and reduced responsiveness to stimuli, is a known phenomenon that can occur during traumatic events, including those experienced during World War I. While not explicitly linked to shell shock in historical records, the concept of tonic immobility as a defensive response to extreme fear aligns with the experiences of soldiers facing the intense trauma of trench warfare.
Understanding Tonic Immobility in the Context of WWI:
Peritraumatic Response:
Tonic immobility is an involuntary reaction to extreme fear and perceived entrapment, often occurring during life-threatening situations.
"Shell Shock" and Trauma:
While "shell shock" was the term used in WWI to describe the psychological effects of warfare, it encompassed a range of symptoms, including those that could be associated with tonic immobility.
Trench Warfare:
The constant bombardment, exposure to violence, and lack of escape in trench warfare created an environment conducive to traumatic experiences, potentially triggering tonic immobility in some soldiers.
Relationship to PTSD:
Research suggests a link between tonic immobility and the development of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
Historical Context:
The medical understanding of shell shock evolved, with initial theories attributing it to physical injury, but later acknowledging the psychological impact of the war.
Key Points about Tonic Immobility:
Involuntary Reaction:
It's a reflexive response, not a conscious choice.
Defense Mechanism:
It's believed to be a defense mechanism when flight or fight responses are not possible.
Varied Presentations:
Tonic immobility can manifest differently in individuals, and its severity can vary.
Impact on PTSD:
It's considered a predictor of PTSD development and can impact the severity and treatment outcomes for PTSD.
In essence, while tonic immobility wasn't specifically named or recognized as such during WWI, the experiences of soldiers facing extreme trauma and the subsequent development of shell shock align with the understanding of tonic immobility as a peritraumatic response to life-threatening situations.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tonic+immobility+world+war+1&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&sca_esv=0b57074bcd187e3a&sxsrf=AE3TifM9xR_SgK eu8Ck4_koQKIZ6Tk7JVQ%3A1751639229648&ei=veRnaIWlJ5 zKwPAPxouzsAo&oq=tonic+immobility+world+war+&gs_lp =EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIht0b25pYyBpbW1vYmlsa XR5IHdvcmxkIHdhciAqAggCMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBR AhGKABMgUQIRigAUi7VlDBDVieRnABeAGQAQCYAa0BoAGbDKoB BDAuMTG4AQHIAQD4AQGYAgygAqgNwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICDR AAGIAEGLADGEMYigXCAgoQABiABBhDGIoFwgIFEAAYgATCAgoQ ABiABBgUGIcCwgIGEAAYFhgewgILEAAYgAQYhgMYigXCAggQAB gFGA0YHsICBxAhGKABGArCAgUQABjvBcICBRAhGJ8FmAMAiAYB kAYRkgcEMS4xMaAH0DqyBwQwLjExuAeXDcIHBTItNC44yAeIAQ &sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
Åhueda mig vilken sörja.

Är detta ditt "här kommer det vetenskapliga beviset för xyz" så misslyckas det kapitalt.

Ditt inlägg innehåller massa ord. Men är inte strukturerat och kommenterat så man har inte en chans att ta det till sig.

Din obildning Jenny, blir alltför uppenbar.
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2025-07-04, 16:38
  #1127
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Tonic Immobility in Victims of War:
Peritraumatic response:
In war-torn environments, where individuals face constant threats, tonic immobility can be a frequent peritraumatic response.
Impact on survival:
While it can hinder immediate defense, tonic immobility may also serve as a survival mechanism in some situations, such as when it leads to a predator or aggressor losing interest in a perceived "dead" or still target.
Need for trauma-informed approaches:
Understanding tonic immobility is crucial for providing appropriate support and interventions to war victims, as it can impact their reactions to treatment and their overall recovery process.
In essence, tonic immobility is a complex phenomenon that can have profound implications for individuals who experience trauma, including those affected by war. Recognizing and understanding this response is essential for providing effective support and treatment to survivors.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tonic+immobility+victims+of+war&client=ms -android-xiaomi-rvo3&sca_esv=0b57074bcd187e3a&sxsrf=AE3TifNlXdLxnk J2DWbXvviyaPQNc5heIg%3A1751639665529&ei=ceZnaOCMIN niwPAP8pfCuAQ&oq=tonic+immobility+victims+of+war&g s_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIh90b25pYyBpbW1vY mlsaXR5IHZpY3RpbXMgb2Ygd2FyMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBR AhGKABSP5OUKIIWPBIcAJ4AZABAJgB1QGgAYMUqgEGMS4xOC4x uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIVoALiFMICChAAGLADGNYEGEfCAgQQIxgnwg IGEAAYFhgewgILEAAYgAQYhgMYigXCAgcQIRigARgKwgIIEAAY gAQYogTCAgUQABiABMICCxAAGIAEGJECGIoFwgIIEAAYogQYiQ XCAgUQIRifBZgDAIgGAZAGCJIHBjMuMTcuMaAHv2GyBwYxLjE3 LjG4B7oUwgcIMi00LjE0LjPIB_0B&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
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2025-07-04, 16:39
  #1128
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Ursprungligen postat av Jenny9
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+common+is+tonic+immobility+in+humans& oq=how+common+is+tonic+immobility&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJv bWUqBwgDECEYnwUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRifBT IHCAMQIRifBTIHCAQQIRifBTIHCAUQIRif BdIBCTMzNTMzajBqOagCDrACAfEFL2okil1LRlk&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8




https://mcasa.org/newsletters/article/trauma-and-the-brain-understanding-tonic-immobility#:~:text=Tonic%20immobility%20in%20human s%20is,th roughout%20the%20full%20traumatic%20event.

Den här diskussionen handlar egentligen om den gamla vanliga skambeläggningen av offer, speciellt kvinnliga sådana, för sexuellt våld. Gruppen män våldtar och utsätter flera hundratals miljoner flickor och kvinnor för sexuellt våld varje år. Gruppen män misstror och skambelägger kvinnliga offer för sexuellt våld. Det här har pågått genom hela människans historia. Go figure varför det är såhär.

Om 'ni' bortsåg från ert hat och ärvda misstro mot kvinnor och istället försökte tänka efter lite så är det inte så jävla svårt att tänka sig att tex en ung tjej som blir våldtagen av sin morbror, bror, brors kompis, manliga kusin, manliga klasskamrat, gruppvåldtagen i nån konflikt, osv osv osv, drabbas av, iallafall initialt, av tonisk immobilitet.
Ingår jag i 'ni'?
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