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Situationen i Ukraina just nu, del 4

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2017-10-08, 15:21
  #6805
zy45N
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Lucas49
Jamen ryssar skjuter ju på Ukrainska soldater och våldför sig på civila ukrainare på Krim och i Donbass och vad säger världen? Ja inte gör den vågen precis över Putins galna ledarskap och brist på framförhållning. Extremisterna från Mellanöstern har ju blivit inbjudna till Moskva så nu snubblar du igen. verkar ju dom enda riktiga vänner Putin verka ha. Ukrainas främsta allierade är ju demokratierna i väst, och att kalla dom extremister gör nog ingen med ett IQ över noll. Svider säkert för många propagandister att Ukraina går från klarhet till klarhet i sin politik medan Ryssland allt mer pekas ut som ett ondskans näste. Och Putin hjälper de facto Ukraina att framstå i allt bättre dager internationellt genom sitt ointelligenta agerande men det är han nog lyckligt omedveten om den lilla mannen i Kreml.

Ha, ha... Lucas49, bakom en svenskt tangent bord ser att det är just ryska soldater som skjuter på försvarslösa ukrainska soldater (antar att de sitter med armarna i kors, stakarna!!)
Han lotsas att han inte vet att det är ukrainska soldaterna som ställer till ett helvete för republikernas befolkning.
Trots påpekande från HRW (redan 2014):
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The director of the Human Rights Watch group's Europe and Central Asia division, Hugh Williamson, said in an open letter to Poroshenko this month that while the Kiev government is "entitled" to carry out military operations against the insurgency, it also "has obligations never to direct attacks at civilians."
https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...eporters-37868
Ukrainska styrkornas mål är civilbefolkningen. Här är bevisen:
Lyssna vad de äldre kvinnorna har att säga om ukrainska soldaterna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoxyWK0ZnWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFHp3csI1YY
Krigsförstörelsen i DPR, 24 augusti 2017
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As of today, altogether over 6, 828 municipal facilities were destroyed in Donetsk, 268 – in Debaltsevo, 528 – in Gorlovka, 91 – in Dokuchayevsk, 309 – in Enakiyevo, 91 – in Zhdanovka, 75 – in Kirovsky, 1,113 – in Makeyevka, 55 – in Snezhnoye, 122 – in Torez, 750 – Khartzyzsk, 75 – in Shakhtyorsk, 581 – in Yasinovataya, 278 – in the Amvrosiyevsky district, 3 – in the Volnovakha district, 24 – in the Maryinka district, 17 – in the Novoazovsk district, 57 – in the Starobeshevsky district, 93 – in the Telmanovsky district and 33 objects – in the Shakhtyorsky district.
https://dninews.com/article/afu-dest...%80%99s-office

Det är "ukrainskt" specialitet att på ett eller annat sätt våldföra sig på civil befolkningen
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'Tornado' Trial Tests Kyiv's Ability To Rein In Rogue Paramilitaries
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-torn.../28205795.html
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In addition, the human rights group Amnesty International has documented cases of abuse which it says were committed by members of Aidar last year and "amount to war crimes." The allegations include abducting and beating men suspected of collaborating with pro-Russian separatists, and extorting money.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...0Q30YT20150729
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AFU fighters rob, beat, terrorize inhabitants of Ukraine-controlled Lugansk region
https://dninews.com/article/afu-figh...lugansk-region
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Drunken AFU Commander holds, rapes under-age girl for three days
The drunken commander of the AFU battalion held and raped an under-age girl from Slavyanoserbsk for three days in the so-called "ATO" zone, the LPR People's Militia Lieutenant Colonel, Official representative Andrei Marochko states.
He noted that despite the attempts of the AFU Command to hide violations of military discipline and the consumption of alcohol by military personnel in the so-called "ATO" zone, new facts of violations have been registered.
https://dninews.com/article/drunken-...irl-three-days

Och som vanligt utelämnar du att Porky-shenkos kompisar, fascisterna, strypt vatten tillförsel, lämnat Krim strömlös och hindrat reparationsarbete.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...092648659.html
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. At the same time, radicals from the Ukrainian extreme nationalist group Right Sector and representatives of Crimean Tatar nationalist organizations were continuously blocking repairmen’s attempts to restore the power line.
https://www.rt.com/politics/328746-g...m_campaign=RSS

Hur är det med ISIS/chechenska terrorister som allierad sig med ukrainska fascisterna i kampen mot republikerna??
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Over the past year, dozens of Chechen fighters have come across Ukraine’s border, some legally, some illegally, and connected in Donbas with the Right Sector, a far-right-wing militia. The two groups, with two battalions, have little in common, but they share an enemy and they share this base.
The Daily Beast spoke with the Chechen militants about their possible support for the Islamic State and its affiliate in the Northern Caucasus region of Russia, which is now called the Islamic State Caucasus Emirate and is labeled a terrorist organization by both Russia and the United States.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...n-urkaine.html
Det är Poky-shenko som är hotad av fascisterna inte Putn:
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Andriy Biletsky is a third-rate Nazi.
Of course, he is a member of the Rada (Ukrainian Parliament), and he does have his own punitive battalion. But in general, he doesn't do much aside from issue strongly-worded Facebook updates about the dangers of interracial marriage. Meanwhile, his armed Azov goons continue to burn, rape and pillage. Who is doing the heavy lifting in this relationship?
But Biletsky is finally read to make his move, apparently. In an ultimatum issued in the Rada yesterday, Azov's leader warned that his ultranationalist followers are days away from full-blown insurrection:
We Ukrainian nationalists are united. I promise you, if you dare to not implement our demands, we are bold, strong, and determined enough to dissolve the Rada. Believe me, we will do it! We have come together to start the struggle for power, that it be not the power of thieves, rather of the Ukrainian people.
http://russia-insider.com/en/neo-naz...lready/ri19020

Porky-shenko kommer aldrig att nå Putins internationella framgångar och dessutom endast en ignorant som du kallar dessa besökare "Extremisterna från Mellanöstern"
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The Israelis and Turks, the Egyptians and Jordanians — they’re all beating a path to the Kremlin in the hope that Vladimir Putin, the new master of the Middle East, can secure their interests and fix their problems.

The latest in line is Saudi King Salman, who on Wednesday is due to become the first monarch of the oil-rich kingdom to visit Moscow. At the top of his agenda will be reining in Iran, a close Russian ally seen as a deadly foe by most Gulf Arab states.

Putin has succeeded in making Russia a factor in the Middle East. That’s why you see a constant stream of Middle Eastern visitors going to Moscow.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...er-succeeds-at
2017-10-08, 15:36
  #6806
zy45N
Medlem
Förundersökning startat mot Porky-shenko i ett gammalt korruptionsärende.

Americans launch investigation into Poroshenko's large-scale fraud
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The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, which is considered to operate under the control of the US Embassy, launched an investigation into the large-scale land frauds of Pyotr Poroshenko near Kiev, Vitaly Kupriy said on the rostrum of the Verkhovna Rada.

The deputy said had obtained a sanction from the judge to initiate an investigation, because he proved that Poroshenko's manipulations were similar to what a Kharkov politician Mikhail Dobkin was accused of.

"The judge of the Solomensky Court of Kiev made a decision, which obliged the detectives of the NABU to launch an investigation against Pyotr Alexeyevich Poroshenko.

I will remind you of the so-called schemes, by which he fraudulently seized land in Tsarskoye Selo in the city of Kiev, introducing the top management of Roshen Corporation into the housing construction cooperative.
These are the events which took place a decade ago, but it is very interesting that the investigation will be held now.
https://dninews.com/article/american...ge-scale-fraud
2017-10-08, 15:41
  #6807
Lucas49
Medlem
Verkar som det kan bli verklighet med fredsbevarande Trupp i den ofria delen av Ukraina. President Porochenko har undertecknat om fredligt återtagande av ockuperat ukrainsk territorium vilket verkar vara en förutsättning för att FN-trupp skall kunna verka i ockuperat område. Ukraina har vilket som all rättspraxis i ryggen och hela den civiliserade världen bakom sig så kanske även dom ockuperade områdena till slut kan få del av Ukrainas förhoppningsvis allt ljusare framtid. Krim och Donbass är ju sorgliga exempel på hur det går när Putin lägger sin ovanligt långa näsa i blöt i sådant han inte har ett skvatt med att göra. Ukrainas demokratiska framsteg skall inte därför inte hånas av ett Ryssland som inte ens vet vad demokrati eller mänskliga rättigheter är. Och till skillnad mot Putin verkar Porochenko vara en relativt kraftfull och intelligent ledare som manövrerar skickligt mellan dom ryska politiska försåtsminorna. Trots allt så är det ju skillnad på en avdankad rysk kgb-agent och en ukrainsk företagsledare när det gäller att leda respektive land i rätt riktning.
2017-10-08, 15:57
  #6808
zy45N
Medlem
Donbass börja körda framgångar

"Yuzovsky Metallurgical Plant" har startat produktionen:
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Yuzovsky Metallurgical Plant produces the first steel batch
The resumption of the YuMZ's work is a historic event for the entire metallurgical industry of Donbass. The plant has entered into a new life already in the public sector. Owing to the titanic efforts of the team, production was launched in record time.
https://dninews.com/article/yuzovsky...st-steel-batch

500 färdigt reparerade hus och social service i Kirovski distrikt
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Over 500 houses and social facilities renewed in Kirovsky district of Donetsk
https://dninews.com/article/over-500...strict-donetsk

DPR höjer (igen) pensionerna med 5% från oktober.
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“The most basic and labour-intensive task was to carry out this recalculation that was established by the Decree of the DPR Head of October 1, 2017. The amount of pension payments for citizens of the Republic has increased by 5%. The recalculation was carried out for about 680 thousand pensioners, it relates to absolutely everyone. As a result of the recalculation, the minimum pension rose to 2,730 RUB from 2,600 RUB. And the average pension payment rose to 4,387 RUB from 4,194 RUB,” she said.
https://dninews.com/article/dpr-mini...inian-payments
2017-10-08, 17:12
  #6809
zy45N
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Lucas49
Verkar som det kan bli verklighet med fredsbevarande Trupp i den ofria delen av Ukraina. President Porochenko har undertecknat om fredligt återtagande av ockuperat ukrainsk territorium vilket verkar vara en förutsättning för att FN-trupp skall kunna verka i ockuperat område. Ukraina har vilket som all rättspraxis i ryggen och hela den civiliserade världen bakom sig så kanske även dom ockuperade områdena till slut kan få del av Ukrainas förhoppningsvis allt ljusare framtid. Krim och Donbass är ju sorgliga exempel på hur det går när Putin lägger sin ovanligt långa näsa i blöt i sådant han inte har ett skvatt med att göra. Ukrainas demokratiska framsteg skall inte därför inte hånas av ett Ryssland som inte ens vet vad demokrati eller mänskliga rättigheter är. Och till skillnad mot Putin verkar Porochenko vara en relativt kraftfull och intelligent ledare som manövrerar skickligt mellan dom ryska politiska försåtsminorna. Trots allt så är det ju skillnad på en avdankad rysk kgb-agent och en ukrainsk företagsledare när det gäller att leda respektive land i rätt riktning.

Poroshenko kan ha i ryggen vilket s**t som helst om inte
- påstådda ockuperade område GODKÄNNER en FN-trupp
- hela säkerhetsrådet GODKÄNNER FN-truppen

Dessutom, vet ej om Porky-shenko är faktiskt så smart (inom juridik) som du (en nolla inom juridik) hävdar
Den amerikanske ambassadören i Kiev har en annan åsikt om FN-truppen
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US Ambassador to Ukraine: UN mission cannot solve all problems in Donbass
"The discussion on this subject [of the introduction of the UN mission to Donbass] is still at an early stage. It is already clear that peacekeepers should separate soldiers who fight on both sides, and also protect civilians from military operations. The peace must bring security. Further on, political steps should be made towards the restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty in the Donbass, there are many problems, and peacekeepers will not solve them," the diplomat said.
https://dninews.com/article/us-ambas...oblems-donbass

Hur blir det med MINSK2 referendum som FN säkerhetsrådet själv RATIFICERAT den 17 februari 2015??

Ha, ha... Ukraina vet vad mänskliga rättigheterna är, när ukrainska högen hos ECHR utgör 20% av samtliga ärende??
Den av dig kallad avdankad KGB-agent är faktiskt både jurist och nationalekonom jämfört med en simpel och under korruptionsutredning "företagsledare".

Dessutom hur hela världen kan se på en politiker som Porky-shenko, som i två olika domar (tingsrätt och överrätt) nekat bestämt rysk aggression, och plötsligt svänger, nu gäller det rysk aggression för hela slanten. En sådant företeelse, åtminstone i Sverige, är straffbart.
2017-10-08, 17:19
  #6810
zy45N
Medlem
I den civiliserade Ukraina, ett bankkontor, Sberbanks, sattes i brand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNt5PYt3Ka4
2017-10-08, 19:41
  #6811
zy45N
Medlem
Har Ukraina bestämt sig hur man vill ha det? Vet ukrainska makthavare, ukrainska ambassadören i FN, vad fredsbevarande styrkorna är, vilka uppgifter kan de ha?
Uppenbarligen inte, inbillar sig att de kan "beställa" vilken uppdrag som det faller i smaken. Tidigare har beräknats att det behövs 40-60 tusen personer, av ca drygt 90 tusen personer totalt som FN disponerar. Vem ska stå för notan när FN har begränsade resurser?

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At the recent meeting of the UN Security Council, Ukraine’s envoy, Vladimir Yelchenko, announced that the peacekeeping contingent to be deployed to Donbass should be equipped with combat aircraft and vehicles. Yelchenko also added that peacekeeping forces should be guaranteed necessary funding and advanced reconnaissance technologies.

Never before have peacekeeping missions used combat aircraft. Of course, the Ukrainian ambassador’s extravagant proposal can be attributed to the infantile experience of Ukrainian statehood and Ukraine’s young diplomacy - but only partly.

In proposing that peacekeeping in Donbass be done with combat aircraft, Ukraine’s Yelchenko is basing himself not on the experience of peacekeeping missions, but on other precedents. Obviously enough, his proposals allude to the events of spring 1999, namely, NATO’s intervention against Yugoslavia, when combat aircraft played the main role in the US and its allies’ punitive operations.

What Kiev understands by “peacekeeping operations in Donbass”, of course, is in fact a NATO intervention in Donbass and reigning in this “rebellious region” back under Ukrainian control. If we understand this obvious truth, then Yelchenko’s proposal does not look so extreme after all. Ukraine sees the peacekeeping contingent as being composed solely of NATO troops, and the goal of this “peacekeeping” mission as breaking the “separatist armies” by Western hands. In effect, Ukraine is essentially inviting the collective West to not only solve Kiev’s problems by military means, but also finance the operation. This is the Ukrainian mentality and the style of the Ukrainian quasi-elite.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/10/war...nts-un-to.html

En artikel i Voice of America i Kiev från december 2016, förklarar syften med både blockaden och också Porky-shenko upprepade krav att stänga gränsen mot Ryssland .
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– To speed up the process of liberation of Ukrainian territory in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions need to “choose radical version” of relations with breakaway republics said the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Oleksandr Turchynov.”

Turchynov wants to shut off all humanitarian cargo and water in the next few days and create a larger humanitarian crisis. He thinks that starving the people of Donbass will end the conflict. This is the same people that claim to have gone through the holomodor (forced starvation). His radical strategy is in his words based on the Croatian scenario. In just the Croatian “Operation Storm” nearly the entire Serbian population was killed or displaced.

“I believe that there is an appropriate experience of Croatia, which at the beginning of the 1990s, was in a similar position with Ukraine. Then the young country was opposed by Serbia. Serbs created a separatist region in Croatia, recognizing only Serbian laws. Accordingly, if we want to accelerate the process of the liberation of their territories – you need to choose a radical variant “, – said Alexander Turchinov interview LigaBusinessInform published on 16 December.

Oleksandr Turchynov noted the positive action of such a scenario in Croatia in the early 1990s: “tough economic blockade made fast enough to create the conditions for the de-occupation of the territories.”

“Some analysts of the Atlantic Council expressed the need to interrupt the Ukrainian economic and social connection with the occupied areas of Donbas in the first week of December. American experts insist that in case of termination of the supply of water and other resources, social and economic blockade, it would complicate the existence of these republics and to project a great discontent and discord in the occupied territories “, – says Alexei Chicken correspondent of Russian service of” Voice of America “.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/...e-story-2.html
För inte länge sen, ett möte med fd kroatiska makthavare har hållits i Kiev.
2017-10-12, 00:34
  #6812
vedhuggare
Medlem
Språkkrigen fortsätter. Här sägs att Ukraina kan få problem i EU. Ungrarna är inte glada.

Ukraine's Culture Battle: Kiev Bans Ethnic Minority Language Teaching in Schools

https://sputniknews.com/europe/20171...ge-law-russia/
2017-10-12, 00:48
  #6813
vedhuggare
Medlem
Vad handlar det om? Är det de ukrainska oligarkerna som vill ha bitcoin eller är det de penninghungriga extremisterna? Ryssland funderar på cryptocurrencies, men har nog lång väg kvar. En sådan reform måste noga övervägas.

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The first draft of a bill to legalize all cryptocurrency transactions in Ukraine has been submitted to its Parliament. Initiated by a group of deputies, the bill proposes to define cryptocurrencies including bitcoin as legal properties which can be exchanged for goods and services.

https://news.bitcoin.com/ukraine-law...-transactions/
2017-10-12, 16:05
  #6814
Draken55
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av zy45N
I den civiliserade Ukraina, ett bankkontor, Sberbanks, sattes i brand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNt5PYt3Ka4

jaha? har du varit i Sverige, kanske Malmö, de sista åren eller du går aldrig ut, läser inte hur vårt eget land numera ser ut?
2017-10-12, 17:35
  #6815
tverskoy
Medlem
tverskoys avatar
Ungern i bråk med Ukraina om den nya språklagen

"Small sparks can start fires", wrote the secretary-general of the Council of Europe, Thorbjorn Jagland.
His warning was directed at Ukraine and its newly adopted law on education, which in Jagland's diplospeak "provides less favourable conditions for minority language teaching".
The law envisages a near-full Ukrainisation of*tuition in what is a de-facto multilingual country. It has caused an outrage in Ukraine's EU neighbours, particularly Hungary, which pledged to veto every pro-Ukranian initiative it can.*

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...142757820.html
2017-10-13, 05:28
  #6816
vedhuggare
Medlem
En hög avhoppare till Donbass säger att Kiev inte gör någonting utan instruktioner från väst. Nu används Grad igen. Tidigare användes fosforbomber. Mot flera avtal.

Under de senaste 18 åren har jag bara orkat studera två krig. NATO:s attack på Jugoslavien och västs krig i Ukraina. Nu ser jag det senare landet falla ihop och lider. Hur ska vi orka med det som händer i världen?

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We have received reports from the village of Bezymennoye in Donetsk Republic, that the US proxy army under the color of Ukrainian forces, on the territory of Ukraine, have unleashed a barrage of 'GRAD' missiles onto said village. Bezymennoye is located a few dozen kilometers east of Mariupol and is within reach from the Ukrainian side of the line of contact.

US colony Ukraine unleashes 'GRAD' missile barrage on DPR town

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/10/us-...shes-grad.html
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