2020-08-12, 01:19
  #5845
Medlem
ElIzzards avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av kangaroozzickness
Vilka är "de"?

KAn det vara dessa?
Vilka är "we"?
Tror du att de presenterar sig med namn och adress eller, eller?

"We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite. We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening. We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air. They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison. The poisons will be absorbed through their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems. From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.
The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear. We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far. We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones. Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.
"They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect. When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help. We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.
When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future. When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine. We will render them docile and weak before us by our power. They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.
"We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all. Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives.
We will use fear as our weapon. We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides. We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan. They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.
"Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way. We will make them kill each other when it suits us. We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion. We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how. We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.
We will foment animosity between them through our factions. When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best. We will make them rip each other’s hearts apart and kill their own children. We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend. The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers.
They will be busy killing each other. They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long as we see fit.
"We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us. We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths. We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished. We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and sounds. We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this. The tools will be provided by their labor. We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.
"We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one. This they must never know! They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal. Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal. We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them. We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have. We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt.
"When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media. We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment in our favor. When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that. They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.
"We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us. The recruits will be called “initiates” and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth.
They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us. For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars. They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.
The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late. Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves."
Citera
2020-08-12, 03:31
  #5846
Medlem
kangaroozzicknesss avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av ElIzzard
Tycker du att du är smart när du ställer den frågan?

Nej, utan det är en central bit i svaret på trådens frågeställning
Citera
2020-08-12, 03:39
  #5847
Medlem
kangaroozzicknesss avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av ElIzzard
KAn det vara dessa?
Vilka är "we"?
Tror du att de presenterar sig med namn och adress eller, eller?

"We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite. We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening. We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air. They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison. The poisons will be absorbed through their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems. From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.
The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear. We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far. We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones. Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.
"They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect. When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help. We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.
When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future. When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine. We will render them docile and weak before us by our power. They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.
"We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all. Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives.
We will use fear as our weapon. We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides. We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan. They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.
"Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way. We will make them kill each other when it suits us. We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion. We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how. We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.
We will foment animosity between them through our factions. When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best. We will make them rip each other’s hearts apart and kill their own children. We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend. The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers.
They will be busy killing each other. They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long as we see fit.
"We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us. We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths. We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished. We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and sounds. We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this. The tools will be provided by their labor. We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.
"We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one. This they must never know! They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal. Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal. We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them. We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have. We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt.
"When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media. We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment in our favor. When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that. They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.
"We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us. The recruits will be called “initiates” and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth.
They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us. For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars. They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.
The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late. Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves."

Det är ändå en relevant fråga för trådens frågeställning?

Om man inte kan sätta ord på vilka som ligger bakom, och terrorn är så pass subtil och subjektiv att det i princip är omöjligt att samla bevis för att det försiggår, borde inte svaret till trådens frågeställning "förekommer organiserad gang stalking" så vara: nej det är en vanföreställningar.

Om man inte är öppen för att titta på bevisen och omvärdera sin position, vad gör ni då i tråden?
Citera
2020-08-12, 03:55
  #5848
Medlem
styckets avatar
Cancel culture är väl en form av gang stalkning.
Citera
2020-08-12, 08:38
  #5849
Medlem
Clay Allisons avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av RiktigTI
Läs på om psykologisk krigföring, cyberkrigföring, Zersetzung, MK ULTRA, COINTELPRO, Scientologikyrkans "Fair Game" etc. - jag kan inte överföra min kunskap till dig telepatiskt utan du måste bilda din uppfattning med kunskapsinhämtning.

Du skulle haft tillgång till den tekniken det pratas om i tråden med vilken man kan plantera tankar i folks huvuden på avstånd.
Citera
2020-08-12, 12:19
  #5850
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av ElIzzard
Vi hade också haft svårt att tro det om vi inte varit utsatta. Bevis är dock bl.a. alla de oräkneliga berättelser som är överväldigande samstämmiga från utsatta runt om i världen.
...

Fast problemet med ditt resonemang är att en TI inte vet om den är utsatt eller om hen inbillar sig att den.är utsatt.

Det är ingen som ifrågasätter att det finns en massa människor som tror att de är utsatta för "gangstalking" och de har massor med "berättelser". Vad som ifrågasätts är trovärdigheten hos dessa. Är de utsatta eller inbillar de sig att de är utsatta?

I en av de få vetenskapliga studier som har gjorts i ämnet så kom man fram till att samtliga undersökta TI's hade svårt att hålla isär verklighet och inbillning.

Citat:
All cases of reported group-stalking were found likely to be delusional
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/278406061_Complaints_of_group-stalking_'gang-stalking'_an_exploratory_study_of_their_nature_and _impa ct_on_complainants

Det finns mao vetenskapligt stöd för att TI's inbillar sig att de är utsatta.
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Senast redigerad av WilleGarvin 2020-08-12 kl. 12:22.
Citera
2020-08-12, 13:29
  #5851
Medlem
RiktigTIs avatar
Här är en sammanslagning av information om "Gang Stalking" vilket begrepp i sig är missledande eftersom begreppet är medvetet kopplat till desinformation online.

Lite insyn i Scientologikyrkans "Fair Game"-operations operativa del (a.k.a. Gang Stalking-operation) driven av deras "Office of Special Affairs" (OSA) från intygat rättsdokument; komihåg att Scientologikyrkan är en liten del av det nätverk som styr Hollywood vilket dels kan kopplas till ökända CIA-intressen, andra kyrkors/sekters/kulters intressen & såklart "Illuminati" - olika elit tänker på samma sätt & är djupt nätverkade:

"Marty Rathbun filed a detailed affidavit in a Texas court which lay out his and Mike Rinder’s daily reporting procedure to David Miscavige on Scientology Fair Game and Black Operations.

Here is the relevant portion of that affidavit:
17. “The Office of Special Affairs (OSA) is the legal, public relations, and intelligence network of CSI. One or more network representatives are employed by every Scientology organization across the world. Each of them is operated and managed by OSA International (OSA INT) which is housed within CSI. Although OSA is formally answerable to CSI’s management, from OSA’s inception in the early 1980s, until my departure in December 2004, the formal management structure was a sham. OSA was carefully micromanaged by David Miscavige. he exercised his control through me, Inspector General of RTC, and Mike Rinder, Commanding Officer of OSA International.

18. “Between 1982 and 2004, it was my job to act as a go-between for Miscavige and OSA. The manner in which we shielded Miscavige was elaborate. Much of Miscavige’s control of OSA was done “off the record.” Every evening I would receive an intelligence briefing in writing from OSA. The briefing was usually several pages summarizing reports from private investigators and Scientologists serving as undercover spies watching and interacting with Scientology critics. The written briefing, contrary to established corporate policy, had no routing information on it. That is, the daily briefing had no indication who wrote the report or who it was directed to. If a report ever got out of the Church, it could not, on its face, be used to incriminate any of its author or recipients.

19. “After I read the report each day, I was instructed by Miscavige to put it into a fresh envelope with no routing information on it. I then personally carried the envelope into Miscavige’s office and set it on his desk. I was the only person in Scientology, aside from his wife and secretary, ever authorized such access to his desk. When Mr. Miscavige read the reports, he would enter my office with the report in hand. He would say ‘beat it’ to my secretary or anyone else who happened to be in my office. Once any visitors had left, Mr. Miscavige would discuss the contents of the report. Often, he would instruct me to order OSA to direct an operative or private investigator to find out something to do concerning the target of infiltration or investigation. On other occasions, Mr. Miscavige would joke about what was reported about a particular target, or rant about the target’s activity. When Miscavige was done discussing the daily OSA briefing with me, he would throw the report on my desk. That was my cue to pick it up and shred it after he left the office and before anyone was permitted to return to my office.

22. “Mr. Rinder and I were ordered by Mr. Miscavige to keep secret virtually all of our communications, and to specifically keep them secret from any other managers or staff with CSI and RTC. All other CSI managers had little to no knowledge of any matters affecting Scientology from the world outside of the Church. Except for OSA staff, Sea Org members have little contact with the media or the world outside of their corporate duties."

Det som är en intressan koppling är att FBI-agenten & privatdetektiven i Hollywood/Kalifornia Ted Gunderson svor i sin affiddavit från 2011 månader innan han avled att Gang Stalking existerade. Han fokuserade nästan helt på det ämnet (de facto "Illuminati") - kände han som privatdetektiv kanske en skuld att avslöja sanningen då dessa nätverk anställer flitigt privatdetektiver? Här är ett utdrag (googla dokumentat); Ted Gunderson är även känd för att sitt anförande om pedofilinätverk i Hollywood (Epstein & co.):

"6. I firmly believe that most individuals working in the F.B.L, other intelligence agencies, and the government overall are honest, law-abiding public servants. However, a sophisticated network of rogue operatives has secretly infiltrated the F.B.I, other intelligence agencies including the C.I.A., and other key government positions. This rogue element seeks personal power and wealth and considers themselves above the law and the Constitution. They are carrying out the aforementioned surveillance and harassment activities in conjunction with organized crime, the cult movement in America including Satanic cults, other commercial and political interests, and even misguided civic organizations and neighborhood groups. This illegal surveillance and harassment program is being called gang stalking and organized stalking by the victims targeted by it. The victims are targeted for a variety of reasons including government and corporate whistleblowers, parties to financial and employment disputes, parties to marital disputes (usually divorced women), and even jilted paramours. Journalists covering controversial issues, and, even attorneys and private investigators representing unpopular clients or interests, have been targeted by this program.

7. Individuals targeted by this program have been subjected to illegal and unconstitutional phone taps, illegal re-routing of business and private phone calls for purposes of harassment; illegal audio “bugging”, surreptitious entry into home, office, and vehicle, visual surveillance in the home conducted by illegal placement of miniature remote, wireless cameras (often accessible via internet), illegal internet spyware, illegal GPS tracking (often through their own mobile phones), regular fixed and mobile surveillance, mail misdirection, mail theft and tampering, financial and employment sabotage, slander campaigns and community ostracizing , internet disinformation and smear campaigns, poisoning, assaults and murder, illegal set-ups on drug charges and other felony charges, amongst many other civil rights abuses.

8. In addition to high-ranking members of the F.B.I., other intelligence services, and the government overall, wealthy, powerful members of criminal syndicates, multi-millionaires and the corporate elite are using the government gang stalking program to harass enemies. They can get a targeted individual harassed for the rest of that individual's life (individual cases of gang stalking lasting for over a decade are common). The higher status members of the gang stalking conspiracy initiate the gang stalking and coordinate logistics and funding. Lower echelon government rogue operatives, lower ranking members of the military (in violation of Posse Comitatus), petty criminals and street thugs perform the actual grunt work of daily monitoring and harassment of individuals targeted by the program."

Ytterligare bevis på att det är ett samhällsfenomen som utförs i alla delar - kyrkor, företag. regeringar, sällskap; dessa blev påkomna, avskedade & åtalade: "Six former eBay executives and staff have been charged with cyber-stalking in a campaign against a couple who ran a newsletter critical of the company. Prosecutors allege the harassment included sending the couple live cockroaches, a bloody Halloween mask and a funeral wreath, as well as threatening messages." - BBC.com, juni 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53055351 [2020-07-27]

Här är den första faktiska seriösa vetenskapliga studie --totalt finns det nu två vetenskapliga studier-- om "Gang Stalking"-fenomenet utfört av forskare från Curtin University - School of Psychology i Australien & publicerat 2020-04 i "International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health"; läs artikeln här: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7178134/ (full-text PDF hittas här: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/7/2506/htm)

Artikeln uppmanar till vidare studier av fenomenet vilket är väldigt hoppfullt till att få institut att sätta indirekt press på att de skyldiga avslöjas.

"Abstract
Epidemiological data suggest that as many as 0.66% of adult women and 0.17% of adult men in the western world may suffer the subjective experience of being group-stalked (‘gang stalked’) at some point in their lives. Yet the gang stalking experience has been subject to little scientific study. This paper reports an attempt to elicit the core phenomena involved in gang-stalking by allowing them to emerge de novo through the qualitative analysis of accounts of individuals who describe being gang-stalked. Fifty descriptions of gang-stalking that satisfied study inclusion criteria were identified from the internet and subjected to content analysis. Twenty-four core phenomena were elicited, together with 11 principal sequelae of the experience of being gang-stalked. These were then divided into groups, producing a framework for the phenomena of the gang-stalking experience. The results were compared with frequencies of the same categories of experience then extracted from the original data of the only previous study on gang-stalking phenomena. Whilst the methodology of the current study was more rigorous, the core phenomena were similar in each. The current study confirmed the seriousness of the sequelae of the gang-stalking experience. These support the need for further exploration of the phenomenon, for which this study forms a basis.

Keywords: phenomenology, stalking, gang-stalking, group stalking, prevalence, psychological sequelae"
Citera
2020-08-12, 13:39
  #5852
Medlem
RiktigTIs avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Clay Allison
Du skulle haft tillgång till den tekniken det pratas om i tråden med vilken man kan plantera tankar i folks huvuden på avstånd.

De vill att du ska tro att de har den tekniken & det är mestadels för propaganda- & desinformationsyften tror jag. Det absolut bästa sättet som används är via massmedia (TV, tidning) & sociala media vilket är dels en teknik 70-80 år gammal men även via socialt nätverk: kollegor, familj & vänner. Helt enkelt: påverkansoperation.
Citera
2020-08-12, 13:41
  #5853
Medlem
Clay Allisons avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av RiktigTI
De vill att du ska tro att de har den tekniken & det är mestadels för propaganda- & desinformationsyften tror jag. Det absolut bästa sättet som används är via massmedia (TV, tidning) & sociala media vilket är dels en teknik 70-80 år gammal men även via socialt nätverk: kollegor, familj & vänner. Helt enkelt: påverkansoperation.

Det måste kännas frustrerande att ni som påstår er vara förföljda inte är det minsta överens om hur det går till. det är bara graden av paranoia som bestämmer metoderna.
Citera
2020-08-12, 13:48
  #5854
Medlem
RiktigTIs avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Clay Allison
Det måste kännas frustrerande att ni som påstår er vara förföljda inte är det minsta överens om hur det går till. det är bara graden av paranoia som bestämmer metoderna.

Paranoia är liksom förväntad reaktion till att bli utsatt. Efter flera år av det här är jag mer analytisk än paranoid. De kanske använder paranoia instrumentellt för att trycka på deras desinformation om sci-fi, energivapen, demoner, aliens, magi, nanorobotar, implanterade mikrochip etc. - det hela låter alltmer som en sofistikerad psykologisk operation. Frågan är varför vissa väljs ut till att bli utsatta.
Citera
2020-08-12, 13:53
  #5855
Medlem
Clay Allisons avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av RiktigTI
Paranoia är liksom förväntad reaktion till att bli utsatt. Efter flera år av det här är jag mer analytisk än paranoid. De kanske använder paranoia instrumentellt för att trycka på deras desinformation om sci-fi, energivapen, demoner, aliens, magi, nanorobotar, implanterade mikrochip etc. - det hela låter alltmer som en sofistikerad psykologisk operation. Frågan är varför vissa väljs ut till att bli utsatta.

Jag det framstår som helt obegripligt. Det verkar ju vara - för att parafrasera WilleGarvin - random anonyma nobodys, vilka det är svårt att uppbåda något intresse för. Jag är böjd att hålla med Wille: det måste var en sällsynt uppskruvad narcisism som får dessa personer att tro de skulle vara så intressanta att regeringar, säkerhetspolisen, läkare, organisationer etc skulle konspirera ihop sig och organisera dessa förföljelser.
Citera
2020-08-12, 14:00
  #5856
Medlem
RiktigTIs avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Clay Allison
Jag det framstår som helt obegripligt. Det verkar ju vara - för att parafrasera WilleGarvin - random anonyma nobodys, vilka det är svårt att uppbåda något intresse för. Jag är böjd att hålla med Wille: det måste var en sällsynt uppskruvad narcisism som får dessa personer att tro de skulle vara så intressanta att regeringar, säkerhetspolisen, läkare, organisationer etc skulle konspirera ihop sig och organisera dessa förföljelser.

Är det inte kanske deras mål? Att anspela på ens nivåer av narcissism? Långt ifrån alla är narcissister men många har drag av narcissism som människor. De kanske vill så hemskt att förvandla en till narcissist? Eftersom det är en psykologisk operation via påverkansoperation. Frågar du mig är de ansvariga helt besatta av en måltavla vilket jag inte kan förklara - det är deras operation & de har satt igång det utan min medgivande, önskan & vilja.
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