2005-02-16, 22:40
  #37
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Där föll Göran Hägg ytterligare några pinnhål i anseende. Självklart är allting - as usual - relativt, och visst kan man hos Hedin hitta formuleringar som inte en folkpartistisk socialantropolog hade använt... MEN jämför man med t ex Sten Bergman och Erik Lundqvist är skillnaderna slående till Hedins "PK-fördel" s a s. Allt enligt ett mycket skröpligt minne - var trots allt snart två decennier sedan man rotade i detta.

Jag lånade och läste bara för några veckor sedan Hedins Trans-Himalaya i två volymer, en helt jävla förtjusande bok om hans strövtåg i Tibet. Göran Hägg är ett infekterat pk-arsel som brukar ha nio fel av tio möjliga, ungefär. Strindberg ursäktar jag dock, han var åtminstone rolig i sitt rabiata bestridande av att Sven Hedin gjorde något nämnvärt, och så är det preskriberat :

http://www.strindbergsmuseet.se/verken/Tal/fejd6.html
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2005-03-03, 11:19
  #38
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Apropå Sven Hedins eventuella politiska inkorrekthet kan nämnas att Vetenskapsradion i P1 idag den 3/3 kl 13.20 sänder ett program med anledning av en ny doktorsavhandling som vill göra Hedin till ännu mer nazist än eljest. Lyssna gärna och ge kommentarer; att döma av en blänkare i morse verkade Lars M.Andersson lite tveksam till boken, d.v.s. han pratade snällt och kort men huvudargumentet verkade vara att det är bra att det kommer fram nya synvinklar som andra sedan kan ifrågasätta genom förnyade forskningar. Andersson har ju själv uppmärksammat hur Hedin själv utsattes för antisemitisk propaganda i karikatyrens form men denna avhandling verkar alltså framför allt vilja framställa Hedin själv som antisemit. Repris samma kväll kl. 19.00 och på lördag den 5/3 kl. 11.35.

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Göran Hägg är ett infekterat pk-arsel som brukar ha nio fel av tio möjliga, ungefär.

Jag tigger nog att diffa här, jag tycker han brukar ha uppfriskande avvikande åsikter ibland och det verkar även som om han ofta försöker att läsa böckerna på nytt och själv ta ställning hellre än att bara tradera den vedertagna handboksåsikten.
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2005-03-03, 15:35
  #39
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100% OT; tack för tipset P_m_g!!! Ska bänka mig framför radion i kväll.
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2005-03-03, 16:13
  #40
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Jag tror den på berättande prosa mycket beläste Artur Lundkvist yttrade att Skandinaviens tre främsta författare enligt hans mening var Strindberg, Hamsun och Jensen.

När vi ändå pratar Lundkvist och "negrer" så finns det ju en ganska fin pryl i hans produktion kallad Negerland - en förbannat bra bok! I Lundkvist Eldtema är tonen allt annat än PK, tonen påminner mycket om de grekiska tragedierna. Sedan märks ett gäng ganska "kategoriska" (som det heter på universitetsspråk) iaktagelser i Arturs essäer om primitivism, jazzmusik och afrikaner, publicerade i Karavan.
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2005-03-03, 17:00
  #41
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Den heter numera And then there were none i utlandet. Osäker på svenska utgåvan.
edit: Jodå, den senaste svenska utgåvan från 2001 heter fortfarande Tio små negerpojkar.

Den tidigare Engelska utgåvan hette "Ten little Indians". Barnlåten hade olika text i olika länder.
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2005-03-03, 17:49
  #42
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Den tidigare Engelska utgåvan hette "Ten little Indians". Barnlåten hade olika text i olika länder.

Njaa ... Jag har nog förstått att den engelska originalutgåvan hette Ten Little Niggers - det var då boken skulle ges ut i USA som namnet måste ändras. Ramsan om negerpojkarna som försvinner en efter en finns också i en indianversion - här kan du läsa dem båda.

http://www.deliciousdeath.com/34/34e.html

Men Ten Little Indians är också namnet på en barnvisa med mycket enkel vokabulär. Den här sången är så vitt jag förstår mycket vanligare än ramsan Ten Little Injuns. Bara så att ni vet det.

http://www.singingbabies.com/indians.html
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2005-03-06, 19:40
  #43
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Jag har precis läst färdigt en ny utgåva av Bram Stokers "Lair of the White Worm". Boken är utgiven i Australien 2002 (originalutgåvan trycktes 1911).
Ur förläggarens efterord:
"Bram Stoker was a man of his time, a fact often betrayed in the language he used in writing Lair of the White Worm. This was a world with strong racist underpinnings and an unshakeable belief, at least by Europeans and their descendants, in their superiority over the other peoples of the Earth. It seems to have been widely unquestioned that there were absolute differences in the capabilities and value of human beings dependent entirely upon their ethnicity or, as Stoker and other writers of his time would have put it, 'race'. This world view has long since become obsolete and is indeed shocking to contemporary tastes. It seems incredible now that any writer could seriously have chosen to have his heroes and heroines refer to another, admittedly wicked, character as a 'nigger' without a trace of irony. Because the world has changed since Stoker wrote this book, the liberal sprinklings of this nowadays racist and ugly word have largely been removed from this edition and replaced with terms which attempt to remain in harmony with this period piece without unnecessarily inflaming the modern reader's outrage."

FÖR JÄVLIGT att en förläggare skall ha rätt att ändra i en klassisk bok. Han skall i varje fall ha beröm för att han har markerat alla ställen där ordet 'nigger' har ersatts med ett annat ord (negro, black, African, native, man), med en asterisk. Emellertid förstår jag inte varför han har valt att byta ut ordet 'nigger' i ett dussintal fall, när han ändå låter det stå kvar på nästan lika många ställen.

Trots att ordet 'nigger' har ersatts på ett flertal ställen kan boken knappast anses vara pk.
Ett par utdrag från boken:

"Then there was something like a black shadow between us, and there was the negro*, looking more like a malignant devil than ever: I am not usually a patient man, and the sight of that ugly devil is enough to make one's blood boil. When he saw my face, he seemed to realise danger - immediate danger - and slunk out of the room as noiselessly as if he had been blown out. I learned one thing, however - he is an enemy, if ever a man had one."

"You might think to look at him that you could measure in some way the extent of his vileness; but it would be a vain hope. Monsters such as he belongs to an earlier and more rudimentary stage of barbarism. He is in a way a clever fellow - for a native*; but is none the less dangerous or the less hateful for that."

"But the face of Oolanga, as his master called him, was unreformed, unsoftened savage, and inherent in it were all the hideous possibilities of a lost, devil-ridden child of the forest and the swamp - the lowest of all created things that could be regarded as in some form ostensibly human."

"Am I to understand", she said with cold disdain, so much more effective to wound that hot passion, "that you are offering me your love? Your - love?"
For reply he nodded his head. The scorn of her voice, in a sort of baleful hiss, sounded - and felt - like the lash of a whip.
"And you dared! You - a savage - a slave - the basest thing in the world of vermin! Take care! I don't value your worthless life more than I do that of a rat or a spider. Don't let me ever see your hideous face here again, or I shall rid the earth of you."

"Let me give you a word of advice: If you have the slightest fault to find with that infernal nigger, shoot him at sight. A swelled-headed nigger, with a bee in his bonnet, is one of the worst difficulties in the world to deal with. So better make a clean job of it, and wipe him out at once!"
"But what about the law, Mr. Caswall?"
"Oh, the law doesn't concern itself much about dead niggers. A few more or less do not matter. To my mind it's rather a relief!"
"I'm afraid of you", was her only comment, made with a sweet smile and in a soft voice.
"All right," he said, "let us leave it at that. Anyhow, we shall be rid of one of them!"
"I don't love niggers any more than you do," she replied, "and I suppose one mustn't be too particular where that sort of cleaning up is concerned."
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2005-03-19, 06:35
  #44
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Här kan man ta del av en illustrerad utgåva av Ten Little Niggers (barnvisan, alltså) från 1894. Njut ...

http://niggermania.com/littleniggers/tenniggers.htm
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2005-12-30, 14:33
  #45
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Den Evige Jude...

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Är det någon som kan ge exempel så sådan och vilken behandling den fått?


Märkligt att ingen tagit upp den högaktuella boken Oliver Twist av Charles Dickens. Boken har ånyo filmatiserats av Roman Polanski, som är: hör och häpna jude, hans mor satt i KZ-lager. Därför är det slående att nämnda bok som dessutom är ämnad för barn innehåller föjande citat på s. 46:

Lutad över dem stod en mycket gammal, rynkig jude med en stor stekgaffel i handen. Hans motbjudande bovansike skuggades av långt tovigt, rött hår.
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2005-12-30, 14:45
  #46
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...och fick Orwell att sätta den på listan över sex böcker som skulle bevaras när alla andra förstördes.

Har Orwell skrivit en sådan lista?
Mina rudimentära Google-kunskaper kunde inte frammana någon sådan. Vet ni bättre?
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2005-12-30, 14:57
  #47
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Kanske inte "klassisk" litteratur men många av H.P. Lovecrafts verk skulle väl bli brännmärkta som "rasistiska", om någon pk-journalist synade dem.

Hmm, nämn något? Jag har bara läst de kändaste novellerna typ Drömmarna i Häxhuset, Cthulhu, Fasan från Dunwich och Ex Oblivione. Visst förekommer det ord som neger osv, men det var ju namnet på svarta människor på den tiden och det används väl till viss det än idag. Var det något annat du syftade på?
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2005-12-30, 17:57
  #48
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Hmm, nämn något?
On the Creation of Niggers

When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were designed;
Yet were too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest of Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a NIGGER.


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The racist, classist and sexist themes in much of Lovecraft's writing evoke strong reactions in many modern readers. Lovecraft was an avowed Anglophile, and held English culture to be the pinnacle of civilization, with the descendants of the English in America as something of a second-class offshoot, and everyone else below them (see, for example, his poem "An American to Mother England). Lovecraft's writing showed a distinct disinclination towards mixing with other ethnic groups, reverence for birth-issued social status, and a preference for traditional social roles for women.

Racial, ethnic, class, and sexual stereotypes are frequently encountered in Lovecraft's work. A typical example of this sentiment is found in the name of the black cat "Nigger-Man" in his tale The Rats in the Walls, which was actually the name he gave to his real-life cat. The narrator in "The Rats in the Walls" expresses sentiments which could be considered hostile towards Jews (although several of Lovecraft's closer friends and correspondents were Jewish), Italians, and Poles. Racist views can also be found in his poetry, particularly in On the Creation of Niggers, and New England Fallen (both 1912).

Contemporary critics have decried Lovecraft's presumed white supremicism, particularly in the treatment of immigrants and African-Americans. However, Lovecraft does not spare even northern European ethnic groups from his onslaught of negative ethnic stereotyping. The degenerate descendants of Dutch[ immigrants in the Catskill Mountains, "who correspond exactly to the decadent element of white trashin the South," (Beyond the Wall of Sleep, 1919) are common targets. The Temple presents a stereotypical arrogant and coldly murderous Prussian aristocrat U-boat captain from World War I who makes frequent references to his "iron German will," supremely rational Prussian mental powers, and the insignificance of human life compared to the need to glorify the Fatherland.

Perhaps the best example of his classist views can be found in the short story Cool Air (1926): the (presumably Anglo-Saxon) narrator speaks disparagingly of the poor Hispanics of his neighborhood, but he worshipfully respects the wealthy and aristocratic Spaniard Dr. Muñoz, "a man of birth, cultivation, and discrimination."

Lovecraft drew upon the history of his own ethnic group for the environment of much of his work, and his love for Anglo-Saxon history and culture is often-times repeated in his work (such as King Kuranes' nostalgia for England in The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath). Characteristically, this history is viewed sardonically.

A major Lovecraftian theme is the individual who finds that his lineage is accursed or interbred with a non-human strain. Important examples are Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (1920), The Rats in the Walls (1923), and The Shadow over Innsmouth (1931). This theme may represent concerns relating to Lovecraft's own family history, particularly the death of his father due to what Lovecraft must have suspected to be a syphilitic disorder.

Lovecraft expressed racist and ethnocentric beliefs in his personal correspondence and he gave a thorough summary of his views on race and culture in a letter to J. Vernon Shea written September 25, 1933. This letter, 648, can be found in the book Selected Letters IV published by Arkham House.

Women in Lovecraft's fiction are rare, and the few leading female characters in his stories often turn out to be agents of some evil, alien force. Paradoxically, Lovecraft married a Jewish woman of Ukrainian ancestry, Sonia Greene. The marriage failed, and some commentators believe that the cause may have been shame felt by Lovecraft over his wife being essentially the breadwinner. It is often thought, however, that the women in Lovecraft hold traditional roles because he was surrounded by such women growing up.

While the unapologetic frankness with which Lovecraft reveals his beliefs on race, class, and sex can often seem quite shocking to the early 21st century reader, the modern reader must bear in mind that these attitudes were not at all unusual during Lovecraft's lifetime. The eugenics movement, for example, was quite mainstream in the United States and most of Europe before World War II, to the point where harsh eugenics policies were actually written into the law in many states. Racial segregation was still legally enforced throughout much of the United States. Very many prominent and powerful individuals in these times openly avowed attitudes similar to or even harsher than Lovecraft's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.P._Lovecraft#Race.2C_Class.2C_and_Sex
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