2021-10-04, 20:24
  #510013
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Ursprungligen postat av AttCza
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.17.21263549v1

Källan är en studie som visar att covid 19 vaccin minskar också risken att bli smittad av viruset.

”Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating substantially for BNT162b2. Protection from vaccination in contacts also declined in the 3 months after second vaccination”.

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2021-10-04, 20:26
  #510014
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Ursprungligen postat av Frihet2021
Känner flera vaxade som kommer avstå tredje dos. Sent ska syndaren vakna..

Det erbjuds inte en 3:e dos förutom om du är riskgrupp och/eller 80+.
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2021-10-04, 20:28
  #510015
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Ursprungligen postat av Leland1979
Det erbjuds inte en 3:e dos förutom om du är riskgrupp och/eller 80+.

Än...

Det kmr bli fler än 3
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2021-10-04, 20:28
  #510016
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Ursprungligen postat av Leland1979
Det erbjuds inte en 3:e dos förutom om du är riskgrupp och/eller 80+.
EMA har godkänt Pfizer's vaccin för alla över 18 år:


Michael Knigge
@kniggem
EU drug regulator (EMA) approves BioNTech-Pfizer booster for people 18+ at least 6 months after 2nd shot.

Also greenlights extra dose of BioNTech-Pfizer & Moderna vaccine for people w/ severely weakened immune systems at least 28 days after 2nd shot.

https://ema.europa.eu/en/news/comirnaty-spikevax-ema-recommendations-extra-doses-boosters
https://twitter.com/kniggem/status/1445047260144877569?s=20
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2021-10-04, 20:42
  #510017
Medlem
Predominance of antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants in vaccine breakthrough cases from the San Francisco Bay Area, California

These findings suggest that vaccine breakthrough cases are preferentially caused by circulating antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants, and that symptomatic breakthrough infections may potentially transmit COVID-19 as efficiently as unvaccinated infections, regardless of the infecting lineage.

Fully vaccinated were more likely than unvaccinated persons to be infected by variants carrying mutations associated with decreased antibody neutralization

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262139v1
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2021-10-04, 21:00
  #510018
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Ursprungligen postat av humbug1986
Än...

Det kmr bli fler än 3

Annars går dom runt ovaxxade om någr månader och det blir svårt att motivera varför.
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2021-10-04, 21:03
  #510019
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Ursprungligen postat av arbetet
EMA har godkänt Pfizer's vaccin för alla över 18 år:


Michael Knigge
@kniggem
EU drug regulator (EMA) approves BioNTech-Pfizer booster for people 18+ at least 6 months after 2nd shot.

Also greenlights extra dose of BioNTech-Pfizer & Moderna vaccine for people w/ severely weakened immune systems at least 28 days after 2nd shot.

https://ema.europa.eu/en/news/comirnaty-spikevax-ema-recommendations-extra-doses-boosters
https://twitter.com/kniggem/status/1445047260144877569?s=20

Tack för info! Hade jag helt missat.
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2021-10-04, 21:05
  #510020
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Ursprungligen postat av hasse3344
Studie angående förekomst av vaccin-resistenta mutation bland vaccinerade:
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Ursprungligen postat av MachDiamonds
These findings suggest that vaccine breakthrough cases are preferentially caused by circulating antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants
Och vilka är de hemska "vaccin-resistenta mutationerna" nu då? Jo, delta, lambda och alfa... Det vill säga ALLA som bli infekterade i Sverige blir det med en "vaccin-resistent mutation".

Det finns även andra intressanta slutsatser i rapporten:

We identify 3 cases of breakthrough infection from alpha, all in immunocompromised patients who failed to mount detectable levels of neutralizing antibody to both wild-type and VOC SARS-CoV-2 lineages. We also report 1 case of delta breakthrough infection in a patient who had contracted COVID-19 in 2020 and who had also received the JnJ vaccine. This case, although singular, demonstrates the likely inadequacy of convalescent antibodies generated from prior infection in protecting against future infection, especially against emerging antibody-resistant VOCs, and the reduced effectiveness of the JnJ vaccine relative to the mRNA vaccines against the delta variant".
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Ursprungligen postat av MacMackay
”Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating substantially for BNT162b2. Protection from vaccination in contacts also declined in the 3 months after second vaccination”.

Du citerar ju en annan studie?? Men du borde läst hela den också:

"Additionally, some of the observed decline may be attributable to the fact that those clinically vulnerable with weaker immune systems were vaccinated longer ago.
[...]
This study has several limitations.[...] This means we cannot estimate secondary attack rates by case and contact vaccination status, and that absolute protective effects of vaccination on transmission may be under-estimated as vaccine-protected uninfected contacts may not have sought testing."
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2021-10-04, 21:17
  #510021
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Ursprungligen postat av MittMalmoe
har vi några Vaxxade i rummet.. så vad säger ni till ert försvar nu när ni inser att det egentligen är NI genom er vaccinering som kommer ligga bakom framtida mördaravarianter?
Tydligen läste du inte artikeln.
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Ursprungligen postat av hasse3344
By having a situation where you vaccinate everybody, a vaccine-resistant mutant actually gains a selective advantage. This means the vaccine resistant strain spreads through the population faster at a time when most people are vaccinated."
Du "glömde" citera slutsatsen:

"We have two tools in our toolbox to do this. One is non pharmaceutical interventions such as mask wearing and the whole shebang, and the second is vaccines. From an evolutionary perspective, what is necessary to reduce this (spread) is to vaccinate as many people as possible as fast as possible and across the globe."
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2021-10-04, 21:17
  #510022
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Ursprungligen postat av Grand-canyon
Och vad motiverar dom det med? När dom lobbat så hårt för vaccinet innan.

De trodde vaccinet skulle ha en större effekt. Man både smittas och kan smitta
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2021-10-04, 21:23
  #510023
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Ursprungligen postat av mfmx
Och vilka är de hemska "vaccin-resistenta mutationerna" nu då? Jo, delta, lambda och alfa... Det vill säga ALLA som bli infekterade i Sverige blir det med en "vaccin-resistent mutation".

Det finns även andra intressanta slutsatser i rapporten:

We identify 3 cases of breakthrough infection from alpha, all in immunocompromised patients who failed to mount detectable levels of neutralizing antibody to both wild-type and VOC SARS-CoV-2 lineages. We also report 1 case of delta breakthrough infection in a patient who had contracted COVID-19 in 2020 and who had also received the JnJ vaccine. This case, although singular, demonstrates the likely inadequacy of convalescent antibodies generated from prior infection in protecting against future infection, especially against emerging antibody-resistant VOCs, and the reduced effectiveness of the JnJ vaccine relative to the mRNA vaccines against the delta variant".

Du citerar ju en annan studie?? Men du borde läst hela den också:

"Additionally, some of the observed decline may be attributable to the fact that those clinically vulnerable with weaker immune systems were vaccinated longer ago.
[...]
This study has several limitations.[...] This means we cannot estimate secondary attack rates by case and contact vaccination status, and that absolute protective effects of vaccination on transmission may be under-estimated as vaccine-protected uninfected contacts may not have sought testing."
Eftersom länken inte relaterade till delta, så citerade jag en annan studie som handlade om delta, men länken blev kvar i skrivbordslådan.
Tack för påpekandet.
Vi får helt enkelt vänta in den första referensgranskade studien som visar något i någon riktning.
Helst innan sopkvasten börjar gå bland de sjukvårdsanställda.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1
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2021-10-04, 21:27
  #510024
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Ursprungligen postat av Frihet2021
De trodde vaccinet skulle ha en större effekt. Man både smittas och kan smitta

Fast i betydligt mindre omfattning än en ovaccinerad..
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