Visst så är det. Samtidigt står det och väger. Det som talar för Biden är egentligen att han har momentum. Trump måste vända utvecklingen annars rullar allt på så sakteliga och Biden kommer närmare och närmare seger. Samtidigt räcker det med att en av delstaterna går ut och deklarerar massivt valfusk, sätter in en massa demokrater på livstids fängelse, och ger delstaten till Trump för att allt skall vända.
Desto längre tiden går desto svårare blir den men det är inte helt kört förrän 20:e januari; eller om Trump ger upp. Tråden har dock ett naturligt slutdatum i vilket fall...
Safeharbour deadline är 8 dec, finns det inga mål kvar i staterna längre då ska elektorerna utsees eller så får kongressen rösta, men nu har Alito i SCOTUS ’dockat’ fallet från PA till den 9 dec dagen efter, dvs att safeharbour inte kommer gå igenom. Vad det innebär får vi se om några dagar.
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Senast redigerad av GoldFinger100 2020-12-05 kl. 08:21.
Med tanke på att team Trump inte kan lämna in rättsligt hållbara bevis för valfusk ens nu i elfte timmen så är det utan tvivel kört för svage Trump. Domarna sågar ju inlämnade överklaganden jäms med fotknölarna. Det ä tydligen en studie i fullt förakt för demokratins rättsliga spelregler som team Trump nu visar upp i full dager.
Några axplock ur fredagens rättsliga käftsmällar mot svage Trump och hans brännvinsadvokater:
Citat:
This election is over,” he added. “President-Elect Joe Biden and Vice-President Elect Kamala Harris won Nevada
The campaign “did not prove under any standard of proof that illegal votes were cast and counted, or legal votes were not counted at all, due to voter fraud, nor in an amount equal to or greater than” Biden’s margin of victory, which was about 33,600 votes
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Meanwhile, in Arizona, Judge Randall Warner of the Maricopa County Superior Court ruled Friday that he found “no misconduct, no fraud and no effect on the outcome of the election
Safeharbour är 8 dec, finns det inga mål kvar längre då ska elektorerna utsees eller så får kongressen rösta, men nu har Alito i SCOTUS dockat fallet i PA till den 9 dec dagen efter, dvs att safeharbour inte kommer gå igenom.
Du förstår inte hur safe harbour fungerar. Om resultatet i staten är certifierad och inga mål finns så är man legalt skyddat mot legal challenges efter det datumet. Men det omvända gäller inte, finns det mål kvar när safe harbour passerar så går processen med elektorerna fortfarande som vanligt, bara det att man inte är legalt skyddat mot legal challenges.
Faktum är att Alito smygkastade fallet i papperskorgen. Han satte deadline för PA att besvara till 9:e December en dag efter safe harbour. Så det innebär att PA kan bara låta tiden rinna ut och eftersom det inte finns några mål kvar i PA och staten är certifierad så uppfylls kravet för safe harbour och målet blir moot.
Justice Alito could have simply denied the petition, which is what I had expected given its lack of merit, but he asked for a response and after receiving the response he can either decide the matter himself or send it to the Court. He gave a relatively long deadline for a response, and the specific date of Dec. 9 is significant.
The timing here matters. Any final determination of the slate of electors made in a state by the so-called “safe harbor deadline” under the federal Electoral Count Act is entitled to be conclusively accepted as valid by Congress. This year that deadline is Dec. 8. The electors themselves vote on December 14. By setting the deadline for a response as December 9, this means that the Supreme Court won’t act until well after the safe harbor deadline has closed, making it even less likely that the Supreme Court would overturn the results in Pennsylvania.
The Court could conceivably act between Dec. 9 and Dec. 14 and the matter would not be technically moot. (I think it would be moot after Dec. 14 has passed). But back in Bush v. Gore, a key reason the Court refused to remand the case to the Florida Supreme Court to order a recount was the idea that Florida wanted to take advantage of the safe harbor deadline, which was the very day the Court decided Bush v. Gore. The Supreme Court would not easily mess with deciding something about electors after that date under the best of circumstances.
Speaking more generally, courts are going to be very reluctant to mess with the safe harbor deadline.
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Senast redigerad av joxmoose 2020-12-05 kl. 08:33.
Slutdatum är snarare 14:e December då Electoral College går och röstar. 6:e Januari om man av nån anledning tror Republikanerna skulle vilja försöka tvinga fram en acting-President Pelosi.
Nja, Rand Paul har ju redan deklarerat att han vill ogiltigförklara elektorskollegiet efter att rösterna räknas i Januari. Då hamnar det hos kongressen och curkisen kan fortsätta ett tag till. Riktigt säkert är det inte förrän Creepy Joe är president. Även om jag håller med om att det blir svårare och svårare att vända det...
Nja, Rand Paul har ju redan deklarerat att han vill ogiltigförklara elektorskollegiet efter att rösterna räknas i Januari. Då hamnar det hos kongressen och curkisen kan fortsätta ett tag till. Riktigt säkert är det inte förrän Creepy Joe är president. Även om jag håller med om att det blir svårare och svårare att vända det...
En senator och en Representant i Huset räcker knappast för att ogiltigförklara valet bara att dra igång processen. Eftersom Demokraterna har kontroll över huset så är det mesta man kan åstadkomma med något sånt är att Pelosi blir acting-President ett tag.
Jag tittar omkring men hittar inga bevis för att valfusk har skett.
Däremot har jag fått ca 6 nyhetsbrev om dagen från the trump campaign.
De ber om pengar ..Ofta. för att utreda valfusk och kräva omräkningar i Georgia och arizona.
I det finstilta står det nu att upp till 75% av donationen kan gå till att betala av Trump campaigns skulder.
Förra månaden var det bara 50% av kostnaderna. Idag är det 75%
För den som inte är med i MAGA-sekten så framstår det som självklart att Trump med vänner försöker blåsa sina sektmedlemmar på pengar en sista gång.
Men för den som tvivlar så ger jag följande hypotes.
"hur fort hade ditt huvud exploderat ifall Hillary Clinton eller Barrack Obama hade betett sig lika barnsligt som DiaperDon? sedan de förlorat sina presidentval?"
-case closed era hycklare.
De har gjort det i fyra år. Det började med att Killary kallade Trump ”illegit president” och det fick igång hela DNC. Vi har levt med skiten i fyra år så ge oss en månad va?
Vi bör inte glömma Trumps militära möjligheter. Trump kommer inte erkänna sig besegrad. Han kommer göra allt i sin makt för att stoppa valfusket och fortsätta som president.
This particular update discusses some of the “smoking gun” video evidence of vote fraud in Georgia, as well as the “20 binders” of fraud evidence from Nevada. But the real discussion in this update concerns the “national security option” which increasingly appears to be the most likely outcome stemming from Election Day treason and cyber warfare carried out by Democrats, globalists and the CIA.
Not only do we know that President Trump invoked language from his 2018 Executive Order in his historic Dec. 2nd speech — thereby providing the full public justification for Secretary of Defense Chris Miller to start issuing all necessary orders — we also know that many other critical documents and secret orders were put in place between 2018 and the 2020 election:
Trump’s 2018 Executive Order states that persons or organizations are guilty of foreign interference (acts of war) against the United States if they, “have directly or indirectly engaged in, sponsored, concealed, or otherwise been complicit in foreign interference in a United States election.” This includes, “to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods or services to or in support of, any activity” related to the election theft.
10 USC, Section 394. Subtitle A, Part 1, Chapter 19 describes the role of conventional military forces in dealing with cyber warfare (election theft) and specifically focuses that power in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, who is now Chris Miller: “The Secretary of Defense shall develop, prepare, and coordinate; make ready all armed forces for purposes of; and, when appropriately authorized to do so, conduct, military cyber activities or operations in cyberspace, including clandestine military activities or operations in cyberspace, to defend the United States and its allies, including in response to malicious cyber activity carried out against the United States…”
We also learned that the United States Code specifically calls for these defensive operations to be conducted in secret, which is why the so-called “rendition flights” are not yet public knowledge: “…a military activity or military operation carried out in cyberspace, or associated preparatory actions, authorized by the President or the Secretary that (A) is marked by, held in, or conducted with secrecy, where the intent is that the activity or operation will not be apparent or acknowledged publicly.”
In addition, we became aware that President Trump announced a new doctrine of “offensive cyber operations” on Sep. 20, 2018, just eight days after signing his “foreign interference” EO. As described by The Washington Post, this new doctrine swept away Obama-era doctrines: “The strategy incorporates a new classified presidential directive that replaced one from the Obama administration… It allows the military and other agencies to undertake cyber operations intended to protect their systems and the nation’s critical networks.”
Then, finally, we learned that President Trump issued a new National Security Presidential Memoranda (NSPM) #13 in 2018, which covers “offensive cyber operations. He kept this directive hidden from Congress for 17 months. The exact language of this NSPM is still classified and has not been released to the public. Here’s a list of all the NSPMs, but notably, “offensive cyber operations” is a secret and is not publicly shown.
Trump is now poised to veto the reauthorization of the NDAA in order to force lawmakers to repeal Sec. 230. The NDAA grants special powers to the Commander-In-Chief to declare American citizens to be “enemy combatants” and to detain them without trial. But Trump doesn’t need the NDAA during times of war, which is exactly the scenario under which the 2020 election took place.
In addition, Trump is now working to clean up the CIA. Former director Gina Haspel has likely already been fired, and now Federal News Network is reporting that one of the top information technology officials in the DoD, the “deputy CIO” (Chief Information Officer) has been reinserted back into the CIA. His name is Peter Ranks. A DoD spokesperson describes Peter’s accomplishments: “Under his leadership, we’ve made great advances in execution of the DoD Cloud Strategy and development of the software modernization approach while supporting the entirety of the DoD workforce with remote work capabilities during the pandemic…”
The obvious, rational realization in all this is that since 2018, Trump has put in place a cyber warfare battle plan for America, and that plan was initiated on November 3rd with the real-time trapping of treasonous actors as they tried to steal the election.
Importantly, those who committed election theft fell right into the trap by tripping into “national security” traps which moves their prosecution out of civil or criminal courts and into military courts. This point cannot be overstated. This is how Trump achieves a flanking maneuver around corrupt judges in traditional courts.
It also underscores why much of the activity taking place right now is not known to the public. It’s all covered under the secrecy provisions mentioned above.
What we should all expect to see in the very near future (weeks at most) is historic assertions of military authority, followed by an acceleration of arrests of traitors, public confessions and a wave of resignations of Democrat leaders from Congress. The result will be Trump in the White House, a GOP-run Senate, a GOP-run House and a conservative SCOTUS. As a bonus, if Trump exercises his full authority to seize corporations which aided and abetted the cyber warfare attack on America, we may also see CNN, the Washington Post, Twitter, Facebook, Google and other treasonous operations seized or shut down.
Vi bör inte glömma Trumps militära möjligheter. Trump kommer inte erkänna sig besegrad. Han kommer göra allt i sin makt för att stoppa valfusket och fortsätta som president.
This particular update discusses some of the “smoking gun” video evidence of vote fraud in Georgia, as well as the “20 binders” of fraud evidence from Nevada. But the real discussion in this update concerns the “national security option” which increasingly appears to be the most likely outcome stemming from Election Day treason and cyber warfare carried out by Democrats, globalists and the CIA.
Not only do we know that President Trump invoked language from his 2018 Executive Order in his historic Dec. 2nd speech — thereby providing the full public justification for Secretary of Defense Chris Miller to start issuing all necessary orders — we also know that many other critical documents and secret orders were put in place between 2018 and the 2020 election:
Trump’s 2018 Executive Order states that persons or organizations are guilty of foreign interference (acts of war) against the United States if they, “have directly or indirectly engaged in, sponsored, concealed, or otherwise been complicit in foreign interference in a United States election.” This includes, “to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods or services to or in support of, any activity” related to the election theft.
10 USC, Section 394. Subtitle A, Part 1, Chapter 19 describes the role of conventional military forces in dealing with cyber warfare (election theft) and specifically focuses that power in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, who is now Chris Miller: “The Secretary of Defense shall develop, prepare, and coordinate; make ready all armed forces for purposes of; and, when appropriately authorized to do so, conduct, military cyber activities or operations in cyberspace, including clandestine military activities or operations in cyberspace, to defend the United States and its allies, including in response to malicious cyber activity carried out against the United States…”
We also learned that the United States Code specifically calls for these defensive operations to be conducted in secret, which is why the so-called “rendition flights” are not yet public knowledge: “…a military activity or military operation carried out in cyberspace, or associated preparatory actions, authorized by the President or the Secretary that (A) is marked by, held in, or conducted with secrecy, where the intent is that the activity or operation will not be apparent or acknowledged publicly.”
In addition, we became aware that President Trump announced a new doctrine of “offensive cyber operations” on Sep. 20, 2018, just eight days after signing his “foreign interference” EO. As described by The Washington Post, this new doctrine swept away Obama-era doctrines: “The strategy incorporates a new classified presidential directive that replaced one from the Obama administration… It allows the military and other agencies to undertake cyber operations intended to protect their systems and the nation’s critical networks.”
Then, finally, we learned that President Trump issued a new National Security Presidential Memoranda (NSPM) #13 in 2018, which covers “offensive cyber operations. He kept this directive hidden from Congress for 17 months. The exact language of this NSPM is still classified and has not been released to the public. Here’s a list of all the NSPMs, but notably, “offensive cyber operations” is a secret and is not publicly shown.
Trump is now poised to veto the reauthorization of the NDAA in order to force lawmakers to repeal Sec. 230. The NDAA grants special powers to the Commander-In-Chief to declare American citizens to be “enemy combatants” and to detain them without trial. But Trump doesn’t need the NDAA during times of war, which is exactly the scenario under which the 2020 election took place.
In addition, Trump is now working to clean up the CIA. Former director Gina Haspel has likely already been fired, and now Federal News Network is reporting that one of the top information technology officials in the DoD, the “deputy CIO” (Chief Information Officer) has been reinserted back into the CIA. His name is Peter Ranks. A DoD spokesperson describes Peter’s accomplishments: “Under his leadership, we’ve made great advances in execution of the DoD Cloud Strategy and development of the software modernization approach while supporting the entirety of the DoD workforce with remote work capabilities during the pandemic…”
The obvious, rational realization in all this is that since 2018, Trump has put in place a cyber warfare battle plan for America, and that plan was initiated on November 3rd with the real-time trapping of treasonous actors as they tried to steal the election.
Importantly, those who committed election theft fell right into the trap by tripping into “national security” traps which moves their prosecution out of civil or criminal courts and into military courts. This point cannot be overstated. This is how Trump achieves a flanking maneuver around corrupt judges in traditional courts.
It also underscores why much of the activity taking place right now is not known to the public. It’s all covered under the secrecy provisions mentioned above.
What we should all expect to see in the very near future (weeks at most) is historic assertions of military authority, followed by an acceleration of arrests of traitors, public confessions and a wave of resignations of Democrat leaders from Congress. The result will be Trump in the White House, a GOP-run Senate, a GOP-run House and a conservative SCOTUS. As a bonus, if Trump exercises his full authority to seize corporations which aided and abetted the cyber warfare attack on America, we may also see CNN, the Washington Post, Twitter, Facebook, Google and other treasonous operations seized or shut down.
Att använda militären för att tillskansa sig makten i ytterliggare fyra år är nog inte möjligt i USA. Än är ju inte USA någon bananrepublik även om Trump gör allt för att framställa USA som det. Och i en demokrati utreds ju misstänkt valfusk genom rättsliga instanser och inte med hjälp av vapenskrammel.
Det rättsliga verkar ju vara kört för Trump så militären kommer att snart ha sin lojalitet mot Biden precis som konstitutionen stipulerar.
Och det är ju så det skall fungera i en demokrati med flera partier. Trump må ha skändat systemet med det lär överleva inte minst med tanke på rättsväsendet sura reaktioner på hans pinsamma försök att påvisa organiserat valfusk.
Ni som påstår att Biden vunnit, var hämtar ni er information ifrån? CNN, Svt, Fox, Ap? Vilken instans är det ni lyssnar på och som talat om för er att JB är vinnare i presidentvalet?
Department of Justice t ex. Eller alla stater som certifierats vilka nu är tillräckligt många för att ge Biden 270+ elektorer (republikanska och demokratiska). Alla rättfall som hittills inte gett en centimeter till Trump. Trumps egna tweets som har klagat och hittat på valfusk i varje val han varit med i (som sagt - Trump hävdade att Ted Cruz valfuskade mot honom 2016) och nu uppenbarligen gör det igen. Alla undersökningar inför valet som visade en klar och tydlig ledning för Biden, långt större än den Hillary hade. Republikanska guvernörer som går i god för att de själva förlorat sin stat. Alla senatorer som valts in på samma röstsedlar och som Team Trump inte har något problem med att godkänna. Alla tidigare republikanska presidenter/kandidater som gratulerar Biden för vinsten. Gått igenom så mycket skit i den här tråden som kallats bevis, det har varit distrikt som hävdats haft för högt valdeltagande som visat sig rösta Trump, det har varit youtubeklipp som friserar siffror live och pratar om valfusk via dominion i Philadelphia(som inte använder Dominion) det har varit stories om att Obama blivit fängslad. Det har varit upprepats här inne att "Obama fick färre röster men vann fler valkretsar!!!" Som värsta avslöjandet - för att folk inte förstår att du vinner en krets om du har fler röster än din motståndare, inte om du har fler röster än Obama hade i något annat vsl. Nu senast är det ett youtubeklipp från livestreamen de sände när de räknade röster - som att det är värsta hemliga materialet någon kommit över när det är klippt direkt från deras egen stream som alla kunde följa under processen. Jag vet inte, jag har checkat så många värdelösa bevis här inne att jag inte pallar. Jag säger som ni brukar göra - låt oss vänta och se, om Trump står som vinnare 20e januari så får jag helt enkelt ätanupp min krigsföring här inne. Men om Biden går ut som vinnare så kommer det här vara det mest granskade och mest genomarbetade valet någonsin - det finns inte en chans att valfusk av den magnituden ni hävdar skulle skett, med alla tusentals inblandade, skulle klara den här genomlysningen så om han svärs in - vilket jag såklart tror - hoppas jag ni förstår att det då är ställt utom allt tvivel att det gått rätt till. Även om trump kommer fortsätta twittra om motsatsen.