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Det kan de också ha trott - eftersom det likaväl förekommer vid filicide eller famiicide. Missan och Moa hade ett samtal (om vi nu ska tro på det) att Moa sa att familjen trodde på "annat" än gud etc. Om man tror att man ses när man dör... om man tror på en annan dimension.. då kan man tro på att när vi är döda så träffas vi igen. Föräldrarna tänkte att, kanske, vi ses i döden - i en annan dimension, barnen friska och nytra. Och vi slipper den här skiten.
Fan vet. Jag har min tro. Andra har sin. Och ytterligare fler har sin tro. Men det kanske hör mer hemma i nåt forum för filosofiska diskussioner.
Fan vet. Jag har min tro. Andra har sin. Och ytterligare fler har sin tro. Men det kanske hör mer hemma i nåt forum för filosofiska diskussioner.
Det är ju ett av argumentet med att vara för evigt förenade i nåt värld bortom denna och det behöver inte ens ha religiös anknytning utan filosofisk som du nämner.
Det ses i avskedsbreven och det ses via intervjuer kvinnor som misslyckats med självmord.
Här ses hur snedvridet tänket är via ett avskedsbrev - och att det handlar om att avsluta en form av lidande och hamna i nåt som tros vara bättre.
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Nästa avskedsbrev i snarlik anda.
"I don’t feel I am murdering my children but saving them from sorrow and pain without their father … I’m sorry to take them away from you but it’s the only way out … "
"I suppose some people and the police will say I murdered the children. But I would never hurt them, they mean the world to me …"
"I cannot leave my children behind, who would take care of them and love them like I do?
Nobody could. Where would Dale go, into a home? No way.
Would Kirsten hate me? At least with God there will be peace and happiness and no pain. So I will take them where they will be happy and I will be there to care for them."
"I suppose some people and the police will say I murdered the children. But I would never hurt them, they mean the world to me …"
"I cannot leave my children behind, who would take care of them and love them like I do?
Nobody could. Where would Dale go, into a home? No way.
Would Kirsten hate me? At least with God there will be peace and happiness and no pain. So I will take them where they will be happy and I will be there to care for them."
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Depression är kärnpunkten och suicidala. Här är det en extremt pressad livssituation och det är ett enda pseudoaltruistiskt virrvarr - det förebygger lidande, det eliminerar nuvarande lidande. Notera förenande av familj.
"Sadly I am too broken to go on. Today the boys will be given an overdose as I cannot and wouldn’t ever abandon them."
"Thomas and Matthew have had a wonderful childhood to date and I won’t let anyone hurt them ever … I’m not a coward nor am I crazy.
I see this as my greatest act of love … I know I was beyond help … now want peace forever."
"I just couldn’t abandon our beautiful boys. I’ve been dead for a few days and I just wanted peace … I pray I do not live through this … I hope you find the strength to go on without us."
‘Just Say Goodbye’, Dr Debbie Kirkwood.
"Thomas and Matthew have had a wonderful childhood to date and I won’t let anyone hurt them ever … I’m not a coward nor am I crazy.
I see this as my greatest act of love … I know I was beyond help … now want peace forever."
"I just couldn’t abandon our beautiful boys. I’ve been dead for a few days and I just wanted peace … I pray I do not live through this … I hope you find the strength to go on without us."
‘Just Say Goodbye’, Dr Debbie Kirkwood.
Det föregår även en önskan att få ro själv (suicidtanken föregår men barnen inkluderas).
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"When I decided to kill myself, you know, it felt a relief. I knew what I was going to do. I knew that it was going to happen."
"I guess it was just a massive relief that I’d actually made a decision for myself."
…and that’s when I thought, “what are my options?” My only option is to take my child with me. It would be cruel not to. It would be cruel to leave my child in the situation."
"I knew my child would be safe. Nobody could hurt them ever again in their life. Never at any time would they have anything bad happen to them. Nothing bad, nobody could touch them. My child’s safe, safe. I know they are safe. I know they are with God.
I know that they’re being looked after. I pray for that every night."
"I felt at peace…something clicked and I thought good idea and I actually felt calm about it (suicide). I felt really calm about it."
"Well, I realised that there was nobody that could look after my child. As I said, my husband was incapable. So if he was incapable and I was dead, my child would be in put into an institution.
I couldn’t let that happen to my child."
"Yeah, the most desolate, desolate feeling in the world. And you love that child so much, and it’s not done with malice or hatred or evil. You do it because you love that child. I know it’s hard for people to understand."
"I guess it was just a massive relief that I’d actually made a decision for myself."
…and that’s when I thought, “what are my options?” My only option is to take my child with me. It would be cruel not to. It would be cruel to leave my child in the situation."
"I knew my child would be safe. Nobody could hurt them ever again in their life. Never at any time would they have anything bad happen to them. Nothing bad, nobody could touch them. My child’s safe, safe. I know they are safe. I know they are with God.
I know that they’re being looked after. I pray for that every night."
"I felt at peace…something clicked and I thought good idea and I actually felt calm about it (suicide). I felt really calm about it."
"Well, I realised that there was nobody that could look after my child. As I said, my husband was incapable. So if he was incapable and I was dead, my child would be in put into an institution.
I couldn’t let that happen to my child."
"Yeah, the most desolate, desolate feeling in the world. And you love that child so much, and it’s not done with malice or hatred or evil. You do it because you love that child. I know it’s hard for people to understand."
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Quoted by Adler & Baker (1997) of a mother who survived her attempt at suicide:
"I didn’t consider what I was doing was wrong. I just felt I was uniting a family that had suffered a lot…I just felt that I have been driven to an absolutely agonising point where I just couldn’t see my way out."
http://repository.essex.ac.uk/17667/1/GT%20THESIS%20ENDNOTE%20STRIPPED%20FINAL.pdf
"I didn’t consider what I was doing was wrong. I just felt I was uniting a family that had suffered a lot…I just felt that I have been driven to an absolutely agonising point where I just couldn’t see my way out."
http://repository.essex.ac.uk/17667/1/GT%20THESIS%20ENDNOTE%20STRIPPED%20FINAL.pdf
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Senast redigerad av develi 2019-05-20 kl. 19:34.
Senast redigerad av develi 2019-05-20 kl. 19:34.