2018-07-03, 20:18
  #7801
Medlem
Jag har studerat shamanism i många år, sett flera dokumentärer o läst många böcker om shamaner, healing o ayahuasca.
För oss i väst som inte är vana vid ayahuasca kan det bli en skrämmande upplevelse, men för många kan det vara det bästa dom gjort.
Shamanerna vänjer sina barn redan från 6 månaders ålder att ta små doser av ayahuasca.
Det används inte dagligen utan vid olika ritualer o mest används det för göra själs resor med andarna för att få inre vägledning.
Man ska absolut ha en erfaren shaman med under tiden o även efter då alla reagerar så olika.
En del kräks fruktansvärt mycket, en del drabbas av kraftiga magsmärtor, många får möjlighet att fronta sina egna demoner.
Det är alla är överens om är att smakar vedervärdigt.
Finns olika dokumentärer på YouTube om man vill se hur det går till.
Jag tror dock inte att Tims självmord har något med ayahuasca att göra.
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2018-07-03, 21:19
  #7802
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av av.fan2012
Thank you for the link. It was interesting. As he says it was an unusual, cool experience for the whole group. I read the explanations on wikipedia about the substance, the effect a.s.o.
I still don't see, why this should be a proof that Tim suffered from a mental illness during that time and later on in 2018.
The way he speaks about it, seems more like curiosity. What do you think?

Tim says, quote (2018-07-03): "[..]releases a lot of toxins that are stored in you[..]
[..]feel like a king afterwards[..]
[..]could see like the different types of dreams where completely different[..]
[..]main reason was to do ayahuasca[..]
[..]haven't felt that light after anything ever[..]
[..]different calm that came over us[..]
[..]throwing up emotional baggage[..] (https://youtu.be/Yy1zXrT9Cts)
Obviously it seems like it was a good trip and it gave him something he liked, I am guessing he enjoyed it considering what he is saying in this podcast. He wasn't in social media on that trip, no mobiles and such. He also experienced light and calmness. I guess it was different from any calm he had before? Since he does indicate that. So can we draw the conclusion that he wasn't that calm before that? Anxiety does have stress for a lot of people & could this be "proof" of anxiety or stress at least? I think it indicates that there wasn't this type of calmness before. That we can say, since Tim does say that. Can we also say Tim has emotional baggage? He does say that. So we can draw the conclusion that this trip helped Tim to throw up emotional baggage, get light and a different calmness, it also helped him stay off social media & technology.
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Senast redigerad av Anonym-11111 2018-07-03 kl. 21:24.
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2018-07-03, 21:58
  #7803
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Ickemedlem
Jag har för mig att någon länkade en bild eller video som skulle vara av TB efter hans självmord. Vet ej om det var på honom eller nån annan. Vem vet? Jag klickade inte/sökte inte efter det men minns nåt sånt iaf.
Finns ingen sådan bild på TB efter sitt självmord. Kanske någon har försökt hitta någon fakebild, men ingen äkta som kommit ut.
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2018-07-03, 22:23
  #7804
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Resursteam
Jag har studerat shamanism i många år, sett flera dokumentärer o läst många böcker om shamaner, healing o ayahuasca.
För oss i väst som inte är vana vid ayahuasca kan det bli en skrämmande upplevelse, men för många kan det vara det bästa dom gjort.
Shamanerna vänjer sina barn redan från 6 månaders ålder att ta små doser av ayahuasca.
Det används inte dagligen utan vid olika ritualer o mest används det för göra själs resor med andarna för att få inre vägledning.
Man ska absolut ha en erfaren shaman med under tiden o även efter då alla reagerar så olika.
En del kräks fruktansvärt mycket, en del drabbas av kraftiga magsmärtor, många får möjlighet att fronta sina egna demoner.
Det är alla är överens om är att smakar vedervärdigt.
Finns olika dokumentärer på YouTube om man vill se hur det går till.
Jag tror dock inte att Tims självmord har något med ayahuasca att göra.


Det tror jag:
http://depressiondissected.com/2018/05/20/did-ayahuasca-experiment-cost-swedish-dj-avicii-his-life-the-dangers-of-the-hallucinogenic-that-ment al-health-suffers-must-be-warned-of/

" Several people have asked the question as to why Bergling – an intelligent man who had done thorough reading into the subject of ayahuasca – chose to gamble with his fragile mind by experimenting with a hallucinogenic drug. Bergling must have been aware that consumption of ayahuasca for someone like him – who had a history of mental health problems such as anxiety, panic attacks and depersonalization episodes – was akin to playing Russian roulette with his brain.

A further problem related to ayahuasca ingestion are the risks faced by persons dependent on prescription-medication to keep symptoms of their mental disorders at bay who stop taking their medication in connection with their experiments with ayahuasca. Even if such persons are lucky enough to escape the negative effects of the drug, their mental health may instead deteriorate as a mere consequence of not taking their prescription-medication. Also, some may choose not to seek conventional psychiatric help in the first place, instead opting to pin their hopes of recovery on ayahuasca. Whilst of course the drug may actually help some – if only due to placebo effects – for others the negative consequences are severe.

Although the family of Avicii has publicly been silent on the subject, there are indications that they suspect that ayahuasca has had a negative impact on his mental health. During his time in Peru Bergling posted a photo to his Instagram account of a pot containing a boiling concoction with the caption ‘mothers medicine,’ which is slang for the hallucinogenic drug. The photo was taken during one of the ceremonies that he attended in which he and his friends ingested the drink. The image has been removed from Bergling’s Instagram account by his management team after the DJ’s death.

I recently wrote an email to his publicist Diana Barron and his management team in which I encouraged them to remove material from social media platforms – including the podcast – in which Avicii endorses ayahuasca, as I fear such endorsement may influence his fans, as well as others who are considering using the drug. A risk that has only increased since Avicii’s passing, which has created a lot of extra attention on his persona.

Avicii’s management wrote back to me with the following statement:

“We take this matter very seriously and will continue our efforts to take down such perceived endorsement from all platforms (not just Instagram) and news articles.”

This could indicate that his inner circle in hindsight suspects that ayahuasca did indeed cause Avicii’s mental health to deteriorate and wishes to prevent that Avicii’s fans and others choose to experiment with the drug after coming across such material. "
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2018-07-03, 22:36
  #7805
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Gaianzenith
Det tror jag:
http://depressiondissected.com/2018/05/20/did-ayahuasca-experiment-cost-swedish-dj-avicii-his-life-the-dangers-of-the-hallucinogenic-that-ment al-health-suffers-must-be-warned-of/

[..]
I recently wrote an email to his publicist Diana Barron and his management team in which I encouraged them to remove material from social media platforms – including the podcast – in which Avicii endorses ayahuasca, as I fear such endorsement may influence his fans, as well as others who are considering using the drug. A risk that has only increased since Avicii’s passing, which has created a lot of extra attention on his persona.

Avicii’s management wrote back to me with the following statement:

“We take this matter very seriously and will continue our efforts to take down such perceived endorsement from all platforms (not just Instagram) and news articles.”

This could indicate that his inner circle in hindsight suspects that ayahuasca did indeed cause Avicii’s mental health to deteriorate and wishes to prevent that Avicii’s fans and others choose to experiment with the drug after coming across such material. "

I am impressed that Avicii management answered. Wondering how come they took that person so seriously? I have never gotten a reply when I wrote them in earlier circumstances, when he was alive that is.
I have asked Avicii to remove his drugs from social media and music videos for some years now, bec' even if he was alive, promoting drugs does influence the fans, every artist, not just Avicii needed to know that. However I have never gotten a response on my requests of Avicii (or any other artist or music company) removing images and videos of drugs online, just more drugs in Aviciis media has been the response really. I am impressed that the person got this reply(if its true, that is).
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Senast redigerad av Anonym-11111 2018-07-03 kl. 23:16.
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2018-07-03, 22:40
  #7806
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Anonym-11111
I am impressed that Avicii management answered. Wondering how come they took you so seriously(no offence)? I have never gotten a reply when I wrote them in earlier circumstances, when he was alive that is.
I have asked Avicii to remove his drugs from social media and music videos for some years now, bec' even if he was alive, promoting drugs does influence the fans, every artist, not just Avicii needed to know that. However I have never gotten a response on my requests of Avicii removing images and videos of drugs, just more drugs in Aviciis media has been the response really. I am impressed that you got this reply(if its true, that is).

Not me, read the link: http://depressiondissected.com/2018/05/20/did-ayahuasca-experiment-cost-swedish-dj-avicii-his-life-the-dangers-of-the-hallucinogenic-that-ment al-health-suffers-must-be-warned-of/
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2018-07-03, 23:21
  #7807
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Anonym-11111
I am impressed that Avicii management answered. Wondering how come they took you so seriously(no offence)? I have never gotten a reply when I wrote them in earlier circumstances, when he was alive that is.
I have asked Avicii to remove his drugs from social media and music videos for some years now, bec' even if he was alive, promoting drugs does influence the fans, every artist, not just Avicii needed to know that. However I have never gotten a response on my requests of Avicii (or any other artist or music company) removing images and videos of drugs online, just more drugs in Aviciis media has been the response really. I am impressed that the person got this reply(if its true, that is).

Things are probably different now that Avicii is not in charge. Perhaps his parents perceive the use of ayahuasca a to have affected his mental health. They would know a lot more about how it affected him long term than the rest of the world.

By the way, the ayahuasca picture was removed the day or day after he died (the removal has been discussed before on fb). This article was written in late May. They did not remove the photo because this person wrote to them. It was already gone by then. Hence, the decision to remove it was made right when he died. And I think that is quite notable! He dies and the parents, publicist and his management team - who have had a lot to deal with in the chaos after his sudden death - dedicate time to remove ayahuasca material immediately (other drug related material has not been removed). It is gone from all the platforms they have control over. Why would they do that if they think his ayahuasca experiment was harmless and irrelevant and did not have a negative?
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2018-07-03, 23:35
  #7808
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Julie80
dedicate time to remove ayahuasca material immediately (other drug related material has not been removed). It is gone from all the platforms they have control over. Why would they do that if they think his ayahuasca experiment was harmless and irrelevant and did not have a negative?

This is excatly why I strongly believe ayahuasca has something to do with he’s death.
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Senast redigerad av Gaianzenith 2018-07-03 kl. 23:58.
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2018-07-04, 00:09
  #7809
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Julie80
Things are probably different now that Avicii is not in charge. Perhaps his parents perceive the use of ayahuasca a to have affected his mental health. They would know a lot more about how it affected him long term than the rest of the world.

By the way, the ayahuasca picture was removed the day or day after he died (the removal has been discussed before on fb). This article was written in late May. They did not remove the photo because this person wrote to them. It was already gone by then. Hence, the decision to remove it was made right when he died. And I think that is quite notable! He dies and the parents, publicist and his management team - who have had a lot to deal with in the chaos after his sudden death - dedicate time to remove ayahuasca material immediately (other drug related material has not been removed). It is gone from all the platforms they have control over. Why would they do that if they think his ayahuasca experiment was harmless and irrelevant and did not have a negative?

Have wanted a full stop of drugs in social media for some years now. Avicii did die on Hitler's birthday and Cannabis day... and most likely his siblings birthday(that I am unsure about, but there is one person named Linda Sterner with that birthday on Ratist.se). Linda Sterner is also very much involved in prevention of suicide. I said in a previous post the days are known for being associated with holocaust and drugs... and then add a birthday to that... They also removed the 3 latest images from Aviciis Instagram that where there the 19th of April, but not there when I looked in the evening of the 20th, when I learned about his passing. Do you know who removed them? Was it Avicii or someone else? They are still on Facebook. I also wonder if Avicii read his Twitter, or if someone else managed his Twitter account? If he read his Twitter, was he logged in the 19th in the evening? If not he, was someone else logged in? If so, does anyone know if Tim got information on what was written there?
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2018-07-04, 00:11
  #7810
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Anonym-11111
Have wanted a full stop of drugs in social media for some years now. Avicii did die on Hitler's birthday and Cannabis day... and most likely his siblings birthday(that I am unsure about, but there is one person named Linda Sterner with that birthday on Ratist.se). Linda Sterner is also very much involved in prevention of suicide. I said in a previous post the days are known for being associated with holocaust and drugs... and then add a birthday to that... They also removed the 3 latest images from Aviciis Instagram that where there the 19th of April, but not there when I looked in the evening of the 20th, when I learned about his passing. Do you know who removed them? Was it Avicii or someone else? They are still on Facebook. I also wonder if Avicii read his Twitter, or if someone else managed his Twitter account? If he read his Twitter, was he logged in the 19th in the evening? If not he, was someone else logged in? If so, does anyone know if Tim got information on what was written there?

I have no idea.
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2018-07-04, 00:15
  #7811
Medlem
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Snacka skit om Avicci är så lågt...alla vet ju att det var Arash ”Ash” Pournouri som pressa han för hårt...han var inte byggd för detta...lägg ner
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2018-07-04, 00:39
  #7812
Medlem
I found an article online that says how Avicii cut himself up with a wine bottle /Hittade en artikel där det står att Avicii ska sig med en vinflaska och förblödde:

https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/music/avicii-cut-himself-with-broken-wine-bottle-bled-to-death-new-report-claims/wcm/85d2aebd-af82-4d77-9200-19aebcea16f8

Quotes, 2018-07-03: "Avicii cut himself with broken wine bottle, bled to death new report claims"
"A collection of drugs was found at the scene when cops discovered his lifeless body."(https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/music/avicii-cut-himself-with-broken-wine-bottle-bled-to-death-new-report-claims/wcm/85d2aebd-af82-4d77-9200-19aebcea16f8)

I Aviciis låt Lonely together:
https://youtu.be/KE3AUr1AIgs
Så är texten:
[..]"Your the high that I can't give up"[..]
[..]"At the bottom of a bottle"[..]
[..]"You're the poison in the wine"[..]

Sorligt värre... om låten och Aviciis död hänger samman så konstigt.
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