2018-04-16, 17:36
  #47629
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av E.Merckx
Amb Ward @OPCW:

Amb Ward @OPCW:"We are concerned [#Russians] may have tampered with [the #Douma site] w/ the intent of thwarting the efforts of the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission to conduct an effective investigation. This raises serious questions about the ability of the FFM to do its job." 2/2

https://twitter.com/terischultz/status/985852601815257090

Ambassadör Kenneth Ward äs USAs permanenta representant vid OPCW, inte företrädare för OPCW som somliga vill påskina.

https://nl.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/ambassador-kenneth-d-ward-opcw/

Att USA nu försöker misstänkliggöra OPCWs mission - och sätta press på inspektörerna - är precis i linje med hur USA agerat tidigare och kunde förväntas agera i detta fall. De är väl rädda för resultatet av en oberoende inspektion.
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2018-04-16, 17:38
  #47630
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bernad_laws avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av E.Merckx
FN sager tydligen att det ar sakert. Vi far val se vad som hander.

Let's be clear- Chemical weapons inspectors are NOT being allowed into the site of the gas attack in #Douma. Russia & Syria cite security concerns. The UN ruled it safe. Russia says they need UN documents & denies tampering with site. It's 3rd day the team has been in Damascus.

https://twitter.com/BillNeelyNBC/status/985893186685014016

Skyldiga som synden.

Ryssarna fantiserade ju redan dagen efter attacken om att deras "experter" varit på plats och konstaterat att ingen kemvapenattack skett, så vad är problemet? Tagit för lång tid för de inkompetenta Muskoviterna att rensa upp?
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2018-04-16, 17:52
  #47631
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Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Hogdal
Området måste ju säkras upp rent säkerhetsmässigt när icke-militär personal ska beredas tillgång. Svårt att veta om det är rimlig tid eller ej.
Och jag som trodde att Assads styrkor för några dagar sedan utropade seger i området? Ljuger de?
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2018-04-16, 17:56
  #47632
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Hogdals avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av DindooNuffin
Och jag som trodde att Assads styrkor för några dagar sedan utropade seger i området? Ljuger de?
Om du tänker efter...tror du att det är ekvivalent?
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2018-04-16, 17:58
  #47633
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Yaskos avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av Savoy
Ja för att halva muslimska världen lever under förtryck och diktatur är Israels fel? Herregud vad jag längtar efter att ledningarna öppnas från gasfältet i Östra Medelhavet så man slipper höra allt gnäll från Mellanöstern om att allt är Israels eller USAs fel.

Delar av gasfältet ligger utanför Cypern, ön är delat mellan turkcyprioter och grekcyprioter. Den där gasledningen kommer att innebära att Europa importerar världens dyraste gas i praktiken. Alltså kommer Mellanöstern även i framtiden vara viktigt ur energisynpunkt...
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2018-04-16, 18:01
  #47634
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arbetets avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Hogdal
Det borde vara dags för såväl Frankrike som Ryssland att offentliggöra de bevis de säger sig ha. Båda kan inte ha rätt.
Nej, och här en pensionerad US officer syn på saken, Det är värt att läsa hela inlägget:

Trump's Big Flop In Syria by Publius Tacitus
Do not believe a word you have heard from the Pentagon and the White House about the "success" of the cruise missile strikes on Friday last. A fraud is being perpetrated on the American people and the world at large. Frankly, General Mattis and General Dunford have dishonored themselves by going along with this charade.

If you could go to the CAOC (i.e., the Combined Air Operations Center) located at the Al Udeid Air Force Base in Qatar and speak to officers working for CENTCOM, you would hear a mixture of disgust, shock and anger from many over the President's claim of "Mission Accomplished." And I am talking about people who have been supportive of President Trump. But Trump, with the sycophants at the Pentagon and the Joint Staff, has crossed a line into delusional thinking.

Why the discontent?

There are at least three sources--First, the United States fully coordinated and deconflicted the attack in Syria with the Russians; Second, well over 50% of the TLAMs launched by the United States, France and Britain were shot down by air defense systems in Syria; and Third, the pundits (like retired General Jack Keane) and politicians who are insisting foolishly that Russia is a second rate military power and won't hit back.
/.../
I understand the reluctance of the U.S. military leaders to admit the truth about this debacle. It would undermine the confidence of the American people is our supposedly invincible weapon systems and would embarrass and enrage the man child that inhabits the White House. Better to tell him lies and let him believe the fantasy. But this is a very dangerous game. So far the Russians have not pursued significant PR efforts to expose the U.S. lie about the missiles. Maybe they are choosing to keep quiet, like a good poker player, and not tip their hand to the American public. One of these days Trump and company will over bet in trusting the Russians not to punch back (and punch back hard) and the American people will be in for a rude awakening. They will discover that the Russians have a decided advantage over us when it comes to air defense.
/.../
General Keane is confusing restraint with weakness and incompetence. That is a dangerous and potentially deadly error to make. Russia, unlike the United States, has a very clear, precise strategy in mind with respect to Syria--defeat the rebels (Islamic and otherwise) and preserve Syria as a political entity. They have been willing to roll with some of our punches because they do not want to disrupt the progress they have made.

We are reaching a point now, however, where such restraint cannot and should not be taken for granted. Our intelligence analysts know full well the type of military capabilities the Russians have put in place in Syria. One can only hope that their briefings are not dismissed as "propaganda" because it does not adhere to the party line being pushed by a delusional Donald Trump.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/trumps-big-flop-in-syria-by-publius-tacitus.html
Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets). He served in the Department of Defense both as a serving officer and then as a member of the Defense Senior Executive Service for many years. He is a highly decorated veteran of several of America’s overseas conflicts including the war in Vietnam. He was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years. He was the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York. In the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) he was the “Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism,” and later the first Director of the Defense Humint Service.” For his service in DIA, he was awarded the “Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.” This is the equivalent of a British knighthood. He is an analyst consultant for many television and radio broadcasts.
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2018-04-16, 18:05
  #47635
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Hogdal
Om du tänker efter...tror du att det är ekvivalent?
Så Assad gjorde en Bush som sa mission accomplished och fick ångra det bittert? Figures...
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2018-04-16, 18:24
  #47636
Medlem
Hogdals avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av arbetet
Nej, och här en pensionerad US officer syn på saken, Det är värt att läsa hela inlägget:

Trump's Big Flop In Syria by Publius Tacitus
Do not believe a word you have heard from the Pentagon and the White House about the "success" of the cruise missile strikes on Friday last. A fraud is being perpetrated on the American people and the world at large. Frankly, General Mattis and General Dunford have dishonored themselves by going along with this charade.

If you could go to the CAOC (i.e., the Combined Air Operations Center) located at the Al Udeid Air Force Base in Qatar and speak to officers working for CENTCOM, you would hear a mixture of disgust, shock and anger from many over the President's claim of "Mission Accomplished." And I am talking about people who have been supportive of President Trump. But Trump, with the sycophants at the Pentagon and the Joint Staff, has crossed a line into delusional thinking.

Why the discontent?

There are at least three sources--First, the United States fully coordinated and deconflicted the attack in Syria with the Russians; Second, well over 50% of the TLAMs launched by the United States, France and Britain were shot down by air defense systems in Syria; and Third, the pundits (like retired General Jack Keane) and politicians who are insisting foolishly that Russia is a second rate military power and won't hit back.
/.../
I understand the reluctance of the U.S. military leaders to admit the truth about this debacle. It would undermine the confidence of the American people is our supposedly invincible weapon systems and would embarrass and enrage the man child that inhabits the White House. Better to tell him lies and let him believe the fantasy. But this is a very dangerous game. So far the Russians have not pursued significant PR efforts to expose the U.S. lie about the missiles. Maybe they are choosing to keep quiet, like a good poker player, and not tip their hand to the American public. One of these days Trump and company will over bet in trusting the Russians not to punch back (and punch back hard) and the American people will be in for a rude awakening. They will discover that the Russians have a decided advantage over us when it comes to air defense.
/.../
General Keane is confusing restraint with weakness and incompetence. That is a dangerous and potentially deadly error to make. Russia, unlike the United States, has a very clear, precise strategy in mind with respect to Syria--defeat the rebels (Islamic and otherwise) and preserve Syria as a political entity. They have been willing to roll with some of our punches because they do not want to disrupt the progress they have made.

We are reaching a point now, however, where such restraint cannot and should not be taken for granted. Our intelligence analysts know full well the type of military capabilities the Russians have put in place in Syria. One can only hope that their briefings are not dismissed as "propaganda" because it does not adhere to the party line being pushed by a delusional Donald Trump.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/trumps-big-flop-in-syria-by-publius-tacitus.html
Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets). He served in the Department of Defense both as a serving officer and then as a member of the Defense Senior Executive Service for many years. He is a highly decorated veteran of several of America’s overseas conflicts including the war in Vietnam. He was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years. He was the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York. In the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) he was the “Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism,” and later the first Director of the Defense Humint Service.” For his service in DIA, he was awarded the “Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.” This is the equivalent of a British knighthood. He is an analyst consultant for many television and radio broadcasts.
Intressant text håller jag med om men den vidrör inte bevisfrågan vad gäller den eventuella gasattacken.
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Ursprungligen postat av DindooNuffin
Så Assad gjorde en Bush som sa mission accomplished och fick ångra det bittert? Figures...
Ärligt menad fråga: Har du hört talas om försåtsminering?
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2018-04-16, 18:25
  #47637
Medlem
arbetets avatar
Nu får vi verkligen hoppas att Robert Fisk får in denna historia i the Independent:




Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Áine Carvill på Spirit Radio.

3 tim · Bray, Wicklow, Irland ·

Breaking!!!!!.... Pls share!
We have just spoken to Robert Fisk (Foreign correspondent with The UK Independent) in #Douma, at 13.00 today, who says he is the 1st journalist to visit the clinic where the 'alleged' chemical attack took place. He went alone ie. not accompanied by military to see for himself. Everything is operating as per normal in a hospital. He confirms the following:
1. The footage is authentic - he could recognise the location
2. He spoke to doctors there who said that children were admitted coughing and spluttering
3. They were admitted AS A RESULT OF NEARBY SHELLING and DUST FUMES!
4. Someone created panic by shouting 'gas, gas, gas' and they began following procedure as they would in a gas attack by hosing them down
5. THERE WAS NO CHLORINE GAS ATTACK
REPEAT...
THERE WAS NO CHLORINE GAS ATTACK

PS. Interview will be aired 10.10 tomorrow on #spiritradio

https://www.facebook.com/aine.carvill/posts/10156266687091197
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2018-04-16, 18:34
  #47638
Medlem
Pre 1914s avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av arbetet
Nu får vi verkligen hoppas att Robert Fisk får in denna historia i the Independent:






https://www.facebook.com/aine.carvill/posts/10156266687091197
Det är det mest sannolika scenariot och jag trodde också på brandrök. Men varför så lite info om inspektionen och om de verkligen inte får besöka platsen som kreti och pleti får beträda. Jag missade att det skulle vara en klinik och trodde platsen var avspärrad inför besöket.
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2018-04-16, 18:37
  #47639
Medlem
Hogdals avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av arbetet
Nu får vi verkligen hoppas att Robert Fisk får in denna historia i the Independent:






https://www.facebook.com/aine.carvill/posts/10156266687091197
Om han fått tillträde innan OPCW så är det lite märkligt kan jag tycka.
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2018-04-16, 18:49
  #47640
Medlem
arbetets avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Hogdal
Om han fått tillträde innan OPCW så är det lite märkligt kan jag tycka.
Eller så är det som sägs av representanterna i OPCW bara trams. Nu har jag inte följt med då jag har ett jobb och sköta också men jag ska läsa på hur turerna har gått.
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