FAKTA och LÖGNER kring 11 September

Allvarligt talat, securion, tycker du inte själv att dom där två snubbarna är två helt olika personer?

Eller sväljer du allt med hull och hår???

USA agerar världspolis gång på gång och ställer till med orgier i massmord. Varför inte istället hoppas på att de slår ihjäl varandra?

Det kanske skulle hindra dem att verka som världspolis och slå ner alla som inte tycker som de, och på så vis i ett längre perspektiv hindra en ganska stor mängd våld?

Å andra sidan, så lär någon annan stat ta vid istället.
Så varför inte se till att hela mänskligheten går åt helvete innan det är för sent?

Securion skrv :
""En sak till. För att riktigt BEVISA något, så måste det till EMPIRISK BEVISFÖRING. Dvs att flera oberoende källor kommer fram till samma resultat. Och då utesluter vi ju att några hundra "månlandningsförnekare" istället hittar på en story om konspirationer någon annanstans, tex 11 september. Det måste bevisas av människor som är opartiska och som utan ett tvivel kan anses som trovärdiga, tex vetenskapsmän och andra forskare. ""

Securion du föll ditt själv på resonemanget!!!!
Eftersom du motsäger dig själv.
Den officella storyn om 9/11 kommer dirket från vita huset. Inga andra objektiva parter har kommit fram till samma resultat utan den ENDA saningen som massmedier har kablat ut och vilken som gäller officielt är välregiserad av männen i vita huset. Alltså du har gått den '"enda" sanningen som kablades ut officielt av massmedier men levererades av usa's regering.

Sen försöker du måla upp folk med alternativ information som idioter. Vem står som idiot nu då???

hej

jag tycker inte dom två bilderna som sägs vara Usama bin Laden ser så lika ut..men å andra sidan..det är väl inget konstigt med det.

1. Alla har ju sett hur Usama har förändrats med tiden..från att ha sett tämligen friskt ut blev han så småningen blek och mager. Det på ganska kort tid.

2. Alla människor kan se olika ut på kort, beroende på vilken uppsyn dom hade när kortet togs..så är det ju med oss alla,

jag skulle nog inte tro att det är en "fake"..men man vet aldrig.

*Hahaha!!!* det bästa jag läst, allvarligt talat Securion, du har ju talang för att skriva och skulle säkert kunna starta en -hrmm- "alternativ rörelse", troende och blivande sektmedle...öh öppensinniga verkar det ju finnas gott om här i krokarna :twisted:

Sen vänta jag med spänning på nästa "bevis" som med störta sannolikhet kommer att "framkomma" på att WTC var ett judiskt beställningsjobb från pojkarna i mossad som styr hela världen.
-Aj fan, har ju redan sett dessa.....

egentligen borde jag gå efter principen när du argumeterar med en idiot låt honom prata på....

vissa svenskar har alltid trott de är 52 delstaten (51 första är isreal), och därför måste de svälja alla "nyheter" som kastas till dem precis som sina idoler jänkarna, typiskt dum-svenskt tänkande.

Det är dags att vakna...

Du vet ingenting vad usa/cia gör och har gjort. sen att du blandar ihop verkliga händelser (barnen i irak) med diverse "roligheter" elvis och bla bla visar bara mer av din okunskap.

om du vill fortsätta vara ignorant och "rolig" kan du klicka här här
men om du nu skulle vilja veta hur världen egentligen styrs kan du läsa vidare....


Philippines
The 1899 Filipino-American War is one of those nasty little conflicts that you won’t find a lot about in your high school history textbook. Call it the first Vietnam. During the 1898 Spanish-American War, the US help the Filipinos gain independence from Spain. Then they declare the country an American colony. A brutal war follows. Many of the scorched-earth tactics used in Vietnam are first used here. More than 100 000 Filipinos die. A large anti-imperialism movement starts in the US. “We do not intend to free, but subjugate the people of the Philippines. We have gone there to conquer, not to redeem,” wrote early celebrity activist Mark Twain. In 1945, the Americans come back to the Philippines. Even though they have a common enemy – Japan – America fights leftist forces known as Huks. The US defeat the Huks, and install a series of puppet presidents, culminating in the absurdly corrupt Ferdinand Marcos. He and his high-heel-obsessed wife bilk the poverty-ridden country dry for three decades, until retiring comfortably in Hawaii.

Iran
1953 - The CIA’s first big takedown. The democratically elected Prime Minister Mossadegh had to go. He was talking crazy talk, like nationalizing Iran’s oil. A CIA-sponsored coup kills him and restores the Shah to absolute power that begins 25 years of repression and torture. Iran’s oil is returned to its rightful owners, the Americans and British. This, of course, sets the stage for a radical Islamic revolution in 1979, when the Ayatollah Khomeini takes over, holds Americans hostage, burns many American flags, and pisses off rednecks across America.

Guatemala
1953 - Jacobo Arbenz also had to go. The progressive democratically elected president is also talking that crazy talk - you know, land reform, civil liberties, nationalizing the Washington-connected United Fruit Company. The CIA organizes a massive disinformation campaign and coup. Next up: 40 years of bad, bad things you don’t even want to think about – American-trained death squads, torture, disappearances, mass executions. Victims: 100 000.

Middle East
In the 50s, the Eisenhower Doctrine stated the United States “is prepared to use armed forces to assist” any Middle East country “requesting assistance against armed aggression from any country controlled by international communism.” In other words, no one is allowed to fuck around in the Middle East or its oil fields except the United States. The US tries to overthrow the Syrian government (twice), lands 14 000 troops in Lebanon, and conspires to overthrow and assassinate Arab nationalist Nasser in Egypt. US supports Israel with billions of dollars of aid, despite its harsh treatment of Palestinians and massacres in Lebanon.

Indonesia
1957 - President Sukarno is another troublemaker. He takes back Indonesian companies from their former colonial master, the Dutch. He takes a trip to Moscow. He refuses to crack down on communists. The CIA launches a disinformation campaign, tries to blackmail him with a fake sex film, plots his assassination, and hooks up with dissident military officers to start a full-scale war against the government. Sukarno, unlike many on the Agency’s hit list, somehow survives. 1965 - Sukarno is finally overthrown by General Suharto. The US helps him track down anyone suspected of being communist. The New York Times calls what follows “one of the most savage mass slayings of modern political history.” Up to one million die.

Vietnam
After watching the French get their asses kicked halfway to Montparnasse, the US gets embroiled in a civil war pitting communist nationalist forces against a corrupt, pro-west government. In 1961, the first young American men start arriving home in body bags. Before it’s over, more than one million Vietnamese and 50,000 Americans will die, Jimi Hendrix will play Woodstock, the Beatles will form and break up, and the American psyche will be radically transformed. In 1973, the US finally admits defeat, forever dooming it to need to overcome the “Vietnam Syndrome” (see Rambo).

Cambodia
1969 - Nixon and Kissinger begin their secret “carpet bombings” of Cambodia. They say it is to kill Viet Cong hiding out in the Cambodian jungle. Hundreds of thousands of Cambodian civilians die. 1970 - Washington finally helps overthrow troublesome Prince Sihanouk in a coup. The US enlists the genocidal maniac Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge to help fight the Viet Cong. Five years later, Pol Pot takes over, declares “Year Zero,” kills anyone with an education, or even wearing glasses, and sends everyone to the countryside to work in agricultural labor camps. More than two million die in his “killing fields” (see The Killing Fields).

The Congo/Zaire
1960 - Patrice Lumumba becomes the Congo’s first prime minister after independence from Belgium. But the Belgians don’t quite leave. They keep their hands on the vast mineral wealth in the Katanga province, where the Americans also have a piece of the action. Lumumba is defiant, calling for the Congo’s economic and political liberation. In other words, he is doomed. In January 1961, he is assassinated with help from the CIA, under orders from Eisenhower himself. His body is chopped up into little pieces and burned in acid. Mobutu Sese Seko takes over, changes the name to Zaire, and begins one of the most corrupt and bloody dictatorships in modern times. Even his CIA handlers are amazed at his cruelty. Thirty years later, despite its rich natural resources, the people of the Congo are still dirt-poor, Mobutu is a multibillionaire, and the country is in chaos. In 1997, Mobutu is overthrown, and retires to the Cote d’Azur. The country slides into a civil war that has killed more than one million.

Chile
1973 - Salvador Allende was a “dangerous” man. He was popular, democratically elected, and a leftist. Against the objections of many inside the US State Department, the CIA, pushed by Kissinger, helps the military overthrow the government. Allende is killed. General Pinochet closes off the country to the outside world. Tanks roll in, soldiers round up students, stadiums turn into execution fields, the country is gripped by fear. For two decades, Pinochet rules with a brutal hand, and thousands of students, union organizers and other bad apples are “disappeared” (see the movie Missing).

East Timor
December 1975 - Indonesia invades the small island of East Timor, which had proclaimed its independence after Portugal left. The day before, US President Ford and Secretary of State Kissinger were in Indonesia meeting with Indonesian President Suharto. Amnesty International estimates that by 1989, Indonesian troops had killed 200 000 people out of a population of between 600 000 and 700 000. The US supplies Indonesia with aid, guns, and training throughout.

Nicaragua
1978 - the leftist Sandinistas overthrow the US-backed Somoza dictatorship. Reagan becomes obsessed with taking out the Cuba-and-Soviet-friendly government, enlisting an army of mercenaries, drug dealers and ex-Somoza National Guardsmen. The Contras attack schools and medical clinics, raping, torturing, mining harbors, and bombing. When Congress cuts off funds, Reagan’s “freedom fighters” are financed by CIA drug-dealing and secret arms sales to Iran in what comes to be known as the Iran-Contra Affair.

El Salvador
During El Salvador’s bloody civil war (1980-92), the US funds, trains, and secretly fights alongside a military that operates less like a traditional army than a loose confederation of homicidal fraternities. By the end of the war, 75 000 Salvadorans are dead.

Panama
During the 80s, Manny Noriega was George Bush’s nigga. On the CIA payroll, he helped the US run drugs, launder money and ship arms to its operations in Nicaragua and El Salvador. But ol’ Pineapple Face became a problem. Turned out he was helping Castro, laundering money for Pablo Escobar, and talking smack about US imperialism. Plus he knew way too much about the whole Iran-Contra scandal. Dude had to go. In December 1989, Bush sends in the Green Berets to arrest him for drug dealing. A whole Panama City barrio is leveled. The official body count is 500-something, others say 3 000. Noriega sits in a Florida jail feeling confused.

Iraq
In the 80s, Saddam Hussein is America’s ally. The US sends him weapons and money as he fights a seemingly endless war against Iran, murders his political opponents, and gasses the Kurds. In 1991, Saddam is pissed off at neighboring Kuwait (a country invented by Britain) for undercutting the price of oil. He invades. The US forms an international coalition to “liberate” Kuwait. Saddam sends an army of barefoot conscripts. For more than 40 days and nights, 177 million pounds of bombs fall on Iraq – the most concentrated aerial onslaught in the history of the world. The US uses cancer-causing depleted uranium weapons; they bury soldiers alive; they bomb retreating troops and civilians. At the war’s end, the US turns its back on the Kurds and other anti-Saddam forces (see Three Kings). While Saddam remains in power, US sanctions and continued bombing keep food, medicine, and clean water from everyday Iraqis. According to the UN, over one million Iraqis have died, half of them children.

Yugoslavia
1999 - After the Serbs start “ethnic cleansing” Albanians in the Yugoslavian province of Kosovo, the US and NATO launch 70 days of air strikes against Serbia. Thousands of Serbs are killed. The ethnic Albanian KLA guerrilla army, a drug-dealing group of thugs who were first accused of ethnic cleansing Serbs by The New York Times back in 1982, start an open season on Serbs living in Kosovo. The bombs stop, and Serb demagogue Slobodan Milosevic is driven from power by a popular movement.

Colombia
2001- Colombia’s three-decade-old civil war is still going strong, despite, or one might say, as a result of $1.4 billion of US military aid. The country is a chaotic death trap. Marxist rebels hold large portions of the country; American mercenaries and defense department front companies like DynCorp are covertly helping the inept Colombian military; right-wing paramilitaries are massacring civilians; and everyone has their hands in the super-lucrative drug trade. Most people don’t know that American forces have been around for while. In the early 90s, a secret group code-named Centra Spike launch a covert operation to take out Pablo Escobar, a major cocaine lord who made the fatal mistake of giving money to the poor and talking shit about American imperialism. The Colombian government and the secret American unit go into business with Escobar’s rival the Cali Cartel. Escobar is finally killed. The Cali Cartel’s power is solidified and the flow of cocaine into the US only increases.

all denna text kan ses som en introduktion till usa utrikes politik en liten USAs Foriegn Politics For Dummies

som du ser visar historien att usa är full av dirty tricks för att få saker att gå deras väg. Demokrati som de förespråkar ena dagen störtar de den andra dagen. senast försökte man i venezuela. så nästa gång du ser nånting ske i ett avlägset hörn av världen där det finns strategiska resurser var så säker att CIA finns på plats.

Håller med Securion, what a load of crap.

Du håller med mycket. Akta dig. Du kanske blir misstagen för en nickedocka?

Hehe inte riktigt, brukar få höra att jag ifrågasätter mkt, det gör jag nu oxå iofs, ifrågasätter det Chockad skrev och håller därmed med Securion =)

Hellre debatörer med egna, liknande/förstärkta åsikter som kommer fram, än onödiga inlägg som "jag håller med" - totalt ointressant. Ser inte att du ifrågasätter "chockad" utan bara att du nickar instämmande med "securion", har man inget att tillföra kan man lika väl vara tyst. :? ett tips bara...

Gå hellre med i diskussionen. :P

Efter att ha läst inlägg av Travis Bickle
så mår jag bara illa. Fy fan. Usa har stått
för mycket elände.
Nästa gång kan det vara vi som står på tur om vi lever på "fel sätt".

Hörde mitt namn nämnas och vill nu avslöja att jag låg bakom Kennedymordet. Och eftersom jag sedan jag tappade min sångröst tog med mig denna hemlighet i den påstådda graven. Ha-ha, jag har alltså lyckats få mej dödförklarad även om det många gånger suttit hårt åt när jag blivit igenkänd på pubar och restauranger. Men det håller väl inte länge till och vill jag nu kungöra att jag också legat bakom attacken på WTC. Skälet: Ja, jag blev ju strax före min "död" petad från 1:a-platsen och nuuuuu har jag hämnats och nuuuuu kommer jag att hämnas!!!!! Det enda konstiga är att jag ännu inte blivit avslöjad så många spår och indicier jag lämnat efter mej, men CIA, Mossad, KGB och presidenterna Reagan, Carter och Bush skyddar verkligen de sina!!!! Ja, jag har t.o.m. kopplingar till Vatikanen för de vill som bekant gärna utrota alla muslimer.