Israel Shamir - en svensk?

The neutrality of this article is disputed.

The journalists who wrote these articles are (in alphabetic order) Lise Apfelblum, Tor Bach, Sven Johansen, Stieg Larsson, and Daniel Poohl. None of them are known to unreliable. Tor Bach was the editor of Monitor Magazine from 2001 to 2004. He is generally considered an authority on Norwegian racism. he has testified as an expert witness in Norwegian courts and has been quoted in mainstream media [20] [[Stieg Larsson was a very well respected journalist who worked for 20 years for the main Swedish news agency TT. He was one of the founders of Expo and the Expo foundation. Poohl is widely regarded as an authority on right-wing movements in Sweden and has been quoted in main-stream publications like Time Magazine[21] He is currently one of the main editors of Expo
Then there's the additional article by Manfred Ropschitz [[22]]. And Stephen Pollard wrote about it in his column in The Times[23]
And yes the claims are eaily verifiable. You simply check with the Swedish authorities. Trust me, they know whether or not someone is a Swedish citizen.

No it isn’t; it comes from 5 individuals; ‘anti-facist’ partisans, who consider Shamir to be a fascist, and who write in self-declared, narrow-interest, anti-fascist mazagines. Stephen Pollard is a neo-Conservative commetator. All of them are excessively sensitive to anti-Jewish critism. Their information is not easily verifiable, contrary to your claim.
--JohD 03:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Diderot made the assertion that these sources have no history of unreliability and are reputable. For goodness sake, the editorial proprietor of Searchlight, and some of the Journalist have convictions for political crimes against their political adversaries![45][46]. He pooh-poohs this accusation on the basis the writer is an adversary of searchlight, yet wants us to include information of adversaries of Shamir. A clear double standard.

Comment from Tor Bach: And if a large percentage - how large by the way? - of the worlds population believed that little green men fro outer space had influence on the politics of world leaders, should it therefore not be concidered as utter nonsense? At present it is a speculation wether Ermash a.k.a. Shamir will participate at a conference in Teheran. However, Ermash offered himself as a speaker at the Holocost denier cconference, set up by nazis, in Sacramento in the spring 2004. They thanked no, because of Ermash` horrific payment claims. It is also a fact that Ermash, using the Shamir identity,presenting himself as " a leading Russian-Israeli intellectual and journalist" expressed his support for the views of the Iranian president concerning the Holocaust. See: http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line...8572152031.htm It should surprise nobody that he did this in company with people as Horst Mahler, Arthur Butz, Ahmed Rahmi (his name misspelled Ahmad in the linked article) and other well known deniers of the Holocaust. Tor Bach

Clearly there exists an axis that conspires to produce material critical of Israel Shamir. Whatever the reasons for it, this fact needs to be noted. Roland produces an article, calling on the good graces of his friends at the Socialist Viewpoint . Soon an 'investigation' is launched, as if on the prowl for a Nazi fugitive, which produces another round of 'articles' in related magazines: Searchlight, Expo and Monitor. Editors here, posing as disinterested and uninvolved participants, impose a rigorous enforcement of a policy that forbids that any characterization of these publications be made - that they are narrow interest, partisan anti-Fascist magazines; which perforce means that anybody they consider to be a Fascist, is fair game. Quite clearly they are of the opinion that Shamir is a Fascist, or possesses the moral failing of communicating with people they consider to be hardcore fascists.

I challenge the characterization of Monitor, Searchlight and Expo as anything but partisan magazines, as if they were or par with Time magazine, or even Fair Lady for that matter. They are not media enterprises, beholden to conserving a reputation for fairness, and employing strict editorial controls against bias, smearing, and outright fabrication. It is inappropriate for wikipedia to be endorsing their vilification campaigns against what they falsely perceive to be a Fascist. It is clearly false, because even though an editor of one of these magazines, Tor Bach, chooses to make his presence here felt, he cannot justify a charge of Fascism except by utilizing 'guilt by association' techniques.

Jayjg, Diderot and Cberlet insist this is in accordance with wikipedia policies, and that the sources are suitably cited. I beg to differ. It is one thing to casually cite and mention a reputable Media source, quite another to pretend a source is not partisan and quote them as if they did not have a pony in this race. The presence here of Rance, and now Tor Bach, on this talk page is ample evidence that they do indeed carry ideological spears in a campaign to have Israel Shamir ostracized, and now, with Tor Bach to criminalize his views.

It is only in Canada, Europe and Australia that Holocaust revisionism is criminalized, but it is enough to pose a serious threat to the liberty of anyone who espouses any form of it, and could also conceivably be extended to anyone who appears to be sympathetic to the plight of Holocaust Revisionism. Without a doubt, by any yardstick, they are a persecuted and defenseless crowd. This is not only personal it is viciously personal.

Today Diderot cites a source. It is confirmation that Shamir is associated with the most hardcore revisionist, and shares their views. It is placed in a separate category called 'On Holocaust Revisionism'. Reading it, one would assume that

1. Israel Shamir sent a letter of support to the Iranian president.

2. Israel Shamir endorsed the remarks of the President of Iran.

I have corresponded with Shamir extensively on this subject, and he while he is opposed to the misuse of the Holocaust narrative to justify atrocities against the Palestinians, he does not share the fixation of Holocaust Revisionists to disprove the Holocaust. He is dismissive of the 'evidence' of Holocaust Revisionists, preferring to remain agnostic on the matter. He is also of the opinion that the Holocaust has assumed the status of a religion, and that Holocaust denial should not be banned. He bases this on his view that bad guys balance each other, and bad ideas balance each other also. Which is something entirely different to 'endorsing' anything.

I emailed him to ask about this article. This is the information the entire article in Mehr is based on - written by an obvious believer in the legitimacy of holocaust revisionism; one of the 'large percentage of the World's population' that believes the Holocaust is a fabrication to extract reparations and justify atrocity in Israel.

Tor Bach - a notorious liar

Having followed Tor Bachs campaign to silence Israel Shamir, his norwegian translator and the papers that printed his articles in Norway, i must say that he lies systematically to smear his targets. As a board member of the miniscule zionist group "Norwegian association against antisemittism"(NFMA) he clearly is willing to use any means to stifle any serious debate with or about Israel Shamir. His method has been to spew out an endless stream of lies and half-truths. Together with Christine Mohn, the leader of the afore mentioned ADL-wannabe-group, he publicly called for berufsverbot for Shamirs Norwegian translator Hans Olav Brendberg. Their little ANTIFA-style-fanzine, which I've never come across outside the internett, is utterly unreliable as a source for any information on this topic. (Officially they keep their magazine independent of NFMA).

He is a proffesional smear-campaigner. Not to be trusted at all.

Asgeir Bjørkedal, Oslo, Norway

This is not an article for an Encyclopedia. It is a one sided attack aimed at making people despise Israel Shamir. The article starts off and is solely oriented by the interest in rebuffing his sayings and thinking, even the facts of his life, instead of presenting the profile of the person, reviewing his main ideas from a scientific as possible ("encyclopedic") perspective, and then highlighting the controversial issues around his thinking and personality. The whole structure of the article is guided by the original purpose of disputing every single idea of the author. I am not defending Shamir, whose ideas I am not familiar with. I am criticizing the heavily biased orientation of the writer(s) of the article. Actually, after reading it, I will not dare to make an opinion about him, because the article is at least as radical as his views seem to be - and obviously this is not the purpose of Wikipedia, as stated in its webpage and as expected by readers.

Israel Shamir first appeared on the Swedish census in 1984 (when the legend has him in Israel). In 1989 he wrote from his Stockholm address trying to sell the original Himmler’s war service diary to the Holocaust revisionist, David Irving. Shamir said he was acting for unnamed Russian businessmen. It fell through, but the correspondence is still on Irving’s website.