2021-10-24, 21:16
  #1
Politik Utrikes har redan en prominent tråd om maktkampen mellan Kina och USA, men saknar en tråd om relationen mellan Kina och Ryssland. Detta korrigeras med skapandet av denna tråd.

Topic är relationen mellan Kina och Ryssland.

Bloomberg publicerade i dagarna en artikel om relationen, som inte verkar vara smärtfri under ytan.

Russia-China Alliance of Autocrats Makes Sense. For Now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-sense-for-now

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The strength of the relationship is rooted in its underlying strategic rationale. Both Russia and China consider the U.S. their principal enemy. Both gain from Washington having to divide its strategic focus and having to worry about a potential alliance between its two greatest foes. Both countries reap a massive military dividend from not having to actively defend their long, shared border. As a result, experts who have predicted the collapse of Sino-Russian cooperation have repeatedly been proved wrong.

Yet it’s not all copacetic, even if the two countries, Russia especially, go out of their way to make it seem that way. Since 2019, Moscow has been getting a not-altogether-pleasant education in what living in the shadow of a powerful, prickly China could mean.

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Russia, after all, has suffered over 200,000 deaths (and probably more than the official figures indicate) amid a pandemic that began in China. Meanwhile, writes former Russian diplomat Alexander Lukin, Moscow has grown frustrated by Beijing’s aggressive recruitment of Russian citizens as spies, its use of Confucius Institutes and student groups inside Russia as propaganda tools, and its tendency to promote Chinese media abroad while restricting the reach of Russian media in China — in other words, by the same behavior that has annoyed so many democracies.

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There are other lurking problems. Russian officials have recently been diffident toward China’s Belt and Road Initiative. That makes sense, given that one of the project’s purposes is to turn much of Central Asia — where Moscow has long wielded great sway — into a Chinese sphere of influence. Xi’s description of China as a “near-Arctic power” doesn’t sit well with Russia, which has little interest in sharing its Arctic influence. Finally, China’s vast military buildup isn’t simply changing the balance of power vis-à-vis the U.S.; it’s also eroding what was once Moscow’s asymmetric advantage in Sino-Russian dealings.

For now, the personal relationship between Xi and Putin seems to be cemented by a common, intense antagonism toward the U.S. It is an illusion to think that Washington can, in the near term, drive its two rivals apart.

Samt det kanske viktigaste påpekandet.

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The first is that Russia does not dream of becoming the junior power in an authoritarian axis dominated by Beijing; it sees itself as a world power that doesn’t take orders from anyone.
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2021-10-24, 22:57
  #2
Medlem
MasterBaits avatar
Bloomberg...

"Russia, after all, has suffered over 200,000 deaths ... amid a pandemic that began in China. "

Ryssland anklagar inte Kina för pandemin.

"Meanwhile, writes former Russian diplomat Alexander Lukin, Moscow has grown frustrated by Beijing’s aggressive recruitment of Russian citizens as spies, its use of Confucius Institutes and student groups inside Russia as propaganda tools, and its tendency to promote Chinese media abroad while restricting the reach of Russian media in China — in other words, by [b]the same behavior that has annoyed so many democracies[/B]."

"Demokratin" USA är mycket mer aggressiv än Kina på att sprida propaganda och har en enormt många gånger större budget. Jag förstår inte heller vad för slags propaganda dom menar att kina skulle sprida i Ryssland och i vilket syfte.

USA har gång på gång visat att Ryssland inte kan lita på dom. Ryssland vill inte heller att USA ska snoka runt deras gränser. Kina och Ryssland har i alla fall ett samarbete som blir starkare och fördjupas.
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2021-10-24, 23:01
  #3
Medlem
MasterBaits avatar
"2021 polling by the Chicago Council and Levada-Center finds that Russians themselves see their relationship with China as a beneficial one."

"Russian public support also suggests a potentially more lasting partnership. "

https://thediplomat.com/2021/09/what...ip-with-china/


"In recent years, China-Russia relations have been frequently described as having attained an “unprecedentedly high level.” "

"in general, in the security field, Russia and China coordinate rather than compete and have a shared outlook for Central Asia. "

"Fundamentally, it is in Russia’s interests to maintain cordial and friendly relations with China. It has built them over the past three decades. In the words of Dmitri Trenin, director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, “[any] alternative to friendship with China would be a disaster for Russia.” "

https://thediplomat.com/2021/06/good...-here-to-stay/
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2021-10-25, 12:50
  #4
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av SithMaster

Samt det kanske viktigaste påpekandet.

The first is that Russia does not dream of becoming the junior power in an authoritarian axis dominated by Beijing; it sees itself as a world power that doesn’t take orders from anyone.


Självklart. Putin, Xi, Erdogan och Kim i Nordkorea, ser alla sig själva som den främste och överordnade ledaren. Ingen av dem kan någonsin acceptera att vara underordnad lydstat, i ett auktoritärt block dominerad av någon annan mäktigare diktator.
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2021-12-20, 11:47
  #5
Relationen mellan Putin och Xi Jinping är på topp inför OS i Peking.

'Old friends' Xi and Putin agree to build China-Russia ties in virtual talks ahead of Olympics

https://youtu.be/mQEia58xrws
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2021-12-20, 13:34
  #6
Medlem
CommieHunter1s avatar
Bloomberg hade allra helst sett en väpnad konflikt mellan Ryssland och Kina.
I ett drömscenario hade USA fått mäkla fred och läxa upp de två.

Läget är dock det helt motsatta. USA utmanas på alla fronter och får allt svårare att behålla greppet om världens alla delar. Inte ens inom USA ser det ljust ut.

Än så länge försöker Washington att sanktionera bort konkurrenter. Ett tillfälligt botemedel. Som att ta en huvudverkstablett i tron att den bromsar den underliggande sjukdomen.
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2021-12-20, 16:19
  #7
Medlem
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Än så länge försöker Washington att sanktionera bort konkurrenter. Ett tillfälligt botemedel. Som att ta en huvudverkstablett i tron att den bromsar den underliggande sjukdomen.

Jo, Kinas Kommunistparti är en sjukdom, håller med dig om detta.
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2022-11-04, 17:05
  #8
Xi Jinping markerar mot Putins kärnvapenhot.

https://www.msn.com/sv-se/nyheter/ut...en/ar-AA13K5uP

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Kinas president Xi Jinping motsätter sig användandet av kärnvapen i Europa, skriver flera medier. Uttalandet ska ha gjorts under mötet med Tysklands förbundskansler Olaf Scholz som just nu besöker Kina, rapporterar statliga nyhetsbyrån Nya Kina.

Xi uppges ha sagt att det internationella samfundet gemensamt måste markera mot ”användandet av – eller hotet om – kärnvapen”.
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2022-11-04, 18:16
  #9
Medlem
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Xi Jinping markerar mot Putins kärnvapenhot.

Iofs ingen nyhet, eftersom Kina tidigt drog en gräns vid WMDs.
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