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Ulf-Utredaren
Oj oj oj, Så nu när du blivit synad av vetenskapliga artiklar publicerade i The Lancet och där snittet av alla stora studier som finns och är något att ha säger 0,75% dödlighet... när du inte accepterar den fakta som ligger på bordet så börjar du med personliga påhopp istället. Som vanligt.
Återigen visar alla stora studier som finns entydigt att dödligheten är långt under 1% (snittet är alltså 0,75%).
I The Lancet´s stora studie som blivit granskad av världens forskare kom man fram till 0,66%.
I Sverige 0,6%
Hong Kong´s smittskydd igår på SVT hävdade 0,5%.
Tyska studier säger 0,5%
Kinesiska studier säger likadant.
Studier ifrån Lombardiet med en av världens äldsta befolkningar säger ju överhuvudtaget ingenting om den globala dödligheten. Självklart är den högre än 0,6% i just Lombardiet.
Eftersom det finns en del osäkerhet (såklart) så är ju snittet av de studier en bra utgångspunkt och då är vi på 0,75% dödlighet.
Men det lär vara alldeles för högt när detta är färdigt eftersom dödligheten alltid sjunker i nya typer av virus.
Du verkar ha mycket svårt att ta till dig fakta.
Again, I have posted a similar aggregate that looks at excess deaths and finds the IFR to be slightly over 1%. I can point out Chinese-based studies published in the Lancet that find the IFR to be over 1%. You hold too much stock in one individual paper, SVT and in the FHM. The article I have just posted explains why this is and why there is such variation. You haven’t read it, and you haven’t listened to a single point I’ve made. Like usual. Again. And again. And again.
Ulf’s checklist:
1. BuT mY LaNcEt StUdY
2. BuT ThE tRaShEd GanGelT StUdY
3. BuT I rEguRgiTaTE EvErytHiNG SVT saYs
4. SoMe oThEr LoW PrevAleNce StuDiEs
And my response is always the same. Higher prevalence = higher IFR, it’s that simple. Antibody studies in regions with higher levels of infection find higher IFR’s. Seen in Belgium, Spain, Italy, or in cities with high prevalence like New York City. All of which have published results regarding this. Again, the study I posted goes more in depth regarding these factors. Having a thousand low prevalence studies to drag the IFR lower in one report doesn’t change the fact that the more widespread an infection is in area, the higher the IFR rises. It also doesn’t change the fact that I can counter your aggregate study with my own.
You bring up low-prevalence studies such as the Gangelt study (which was laughed at in Germany for its inaccuracy), or a supposed Hong Kong study (low prevalence in the city) from SVT to argue against my claims that higher rates of infections lead to a higher IFR as it spreads more evenly across age demographics/sunsets of the population with underlying illnesses. I’ve given several papers from countries with wide-spread infection that support this claim, and in turn you’ve provided me with the assurance that studies with small-scale infection lead to a lower IFR. Somewhere in your brain there is a tiny man trying his very best to help you out one and one together to make two, but right now, you are only dribbling and managing to output absurdities in response.
You are proving me right. You just don’t realize it. But getting you to understand this basic principle is like teaching a retard rocket science, so this is my last attempt:
More widescale infection = higher IFR
Small-scale infection = lower IFR
When calculating the IFR, adjusting for time to antibodies vs time to death, and recalibrating to include excess mortality, you will find over a 1% IFR in countries or regions with wide-scale infections virtually every time. Many studies have been reported to back up this fact. Deal with it. Unmitigated IFR = >1%
Lethality doesn’t always immediately decrease when faced with a new virus. There is nothing to indicate that the lethality of this virus has decreased and there is nothing to indicate that it will not remain constant. The last time we had a global pandemic akin to this one, the lethality actually went up drastically in the second wave (1918 Spanish Flu). You are lying without providing sources, just your opinion. It doesn’t work on me, which is why we have these debates — but it is still throwing out misinformation into this thread repeatedly, which you apparently delight in.
Now on the Ulf to-do checklist:
1. You ignore everything I say.
2. You point to your same three studies
3. You point to some new bullshit from SVT
4. You defend the 0.6% IFR because just hearing the three letters FHM somehow unlocks some mad sleeper agent levels of batshit crazy patriotism and you go fucking nuts defending it because it’s the Swedish consensus (that is forever moving upwards).
5. You end your post with some bullshit about “why won’t you believe my 2 studies and SVT articles!!!! Learn facts!!!”
6. You later hunt me down and spam those fucking articles again, restarting the cycle.