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Både Waldman och Scibor förhördes av WC. Scibor var med när dokumenten hittades natten mot den 23 nov 1963. Alltså vet han att de är äkta.
Du menar att både Waldman och Scibor identifierar mikrofilmen under förhöret med WC som identisk med det original som FBI plockade med sig från Kleins kort efter mordet? Gick de på anteckningar ... eller hade de memorerat hela filmen utantill?
Här måste du nog citera exakt var de gör det om vi ska komma vidare.
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Handstilar från kopior måste logiskt sett kunna identifieras, annars skulle väl ingen av experterna gjort det i alla kommissioner som tillsats under åren?
Nja, har du aldrig funderat lite över varför kopior/fotografier från urkunder inte gäller som autentiska dokument?
Så här säger HSCA bl.a. i sin summering:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol8/html/HSCA_Vol8_0119a.htm
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(27)With the restrictions and reservations stated in each panel member's final report, the members conclude, generally, that the signatures and handwriting purported to be by Oswald are consistently that of one person. Because of the poor condition of the historical diary, they are unable to conclude firmly whether it was written at one or more than one sitting. On balance, it appears to have been written at one or a few sittings.
*In particular, members noted that not all documents were available in their original. It is standard practice in the profession of questioned document examination to make definitive conclusions only about documents examined in their original. Thus the panel members gave only tentative opinions for items provided them in some type of facsimile.
Och:
http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/hscahand.htm
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29. March 12, 1963. U.S. postal money order No. 2,202,130,462 bearing handwritten fill-ins
as follows: Klein's Sporting Goods, A. Hidell, P.O. Box 2915. Dallas, Tex.
Blue ink, ballpoint pen. Location: Archives. (CE 788; JFK exhibit F-509A and 509B.) Note: Item #29 is acknowledged as a XEROX COPY made from the microfilm copy
30. March 12, 1963. Enlargement of microfilm reproduction of Klein's order form for rifle from A. Hidell, superimposed on envelop (sic), postmarked March 12, 1963, addressed to Klein's, Dept. 358, 227 W. Washington Street, Chicago 6, Ill, with return address: A. Hidell. P.O. Box 2915, Dallas, Tex. Location: Archives. (CE 773: Cadigan's exhibit 1; JFK exhibit F-504.)
Och så här säger experterna själva: ibid
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FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS OF JOSEPH P. MC NALLY
(31)I conducted an examination and comparison of the signatures and writings on the items described in this report . At the time of the initial work in Washington, D.C., I made color photo-macrographs of the signatures and the writings on these documents. I then made slides from the photo-macrographs, which I subsequently projected and studied. The signatures were a particular focus of my examination.
(50)The same writing is on the U.S. Postal money order to Klein's (item 29)as is on the various letters and correspondence . The same writing is on the order form and envelope, (item 30) as is on the letters and on the inside cover of the passport (item 9).
In essence, Mr. McNally made copies of copies from which to determine signature authenticity.
According to his Conclusions section Item #29 is a “XEROX of Klein’s Money Order”
FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS OF CHARLES C. SCOTT
Photographic reproductions could only be compared visually with other photographic reproductions or with original documents. All conclusions based solely upon photographic reproductions are necessarily tentative and inconclusive. since they cannot reveal much about pen pressure and other dynamic qualities of handwriting. Further, they sometimes conceal, rather than reveal, evidence of tracings, alterations, erasures, or obliterated writing.
(140) Opinion. The original of the money order (item 29) was examined and compared with the original writings purporting to be Oswald's. I am of the opinion that the fill-ins on the face of this money order are in the handwriting of the same person as the signatures and writings purporting to be Oswald's.
(Mr. Scott is the only one of the three who claims he saw Item 29 in the original form and
contradicts the conclusive writings of the other two experts. It is unknown whether he actually saw an original while it seems strange that only one of the three has an original item.)
FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS OF DAVID J. PURTELL
Procedures (55) Items 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,22,23,24,2 5, 27 29,31,32,33,34,36,38,39,40,43,45,47,48,51,54,55,56,57,5 8,59,61,and 62 were studied, both visually and microscopically
Limitations on the examination
(71) Five items of evidence were not examined in the original, but were copies[/b].
Photocopies have several limitations. They do not reproduce all the fine details in handwriting needed in making an examination and comparison. At best, they do not produce as sharp an image as a properly produced photograph, and they lack tonal gradations, a result of the Page 49 of 72 contrasting process of reproduction. In addition, it is possible to incorporate or insert changes and alterations into copies . A method frequently used is to paste together parts of documents to make one fraudulent document, which is then copied. If the first copy can pass inspection, it will be used ; if not, it will be reworked to eliminate all signs of alteration. This amended copy is then recopied for the finished product. This is usually referred to as the "cut and paste" method.
Item 29 was a Xerox copy made from a microfilm copy. Such a second generation copy has the defects of both processes.
(Item 30 - Mr. PURTELL did not even bother to look at the poor reproduction of the Money Order)
(Allt ovan är med vägledning av David Josephs efterforskningar som finns publicerade på CTKA's hemsida, här:
http://www.ctka.net/2015/JosephsRiflePart1.pdf)
Så, på mig verkar det som att experterna ifråga verkar hyfsat överens om att det är Oswalds handstil, förutsatt dokumenten i fråga inte är manipulerade ... vilket ju är precis
det som deras expertis ska kunna avgöra ... ?!
Hur verkar det på dig?