Ett utdrag från intervjun med Russ Tice:
Journalister är verkligen en patetisk yrkesgrupp. De skriver spaltmeter om Snowden som person, men ovanstående avslöjanden får inte ens en notis.
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Russ Tice:
Okay they went after - and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things. They went after high ranking military officers. They went after members of congress. The Senate and the House - especially on the intelligence committees, and on the armed services committees and judicial. But they went after other ones too. They went after lawyers and law firms. Heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the supreme court that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after state department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House - their own people! They went after anti-war groups. They went after US companies that do international business around the world. They went after US banking firms and financial firms that do international business.
They went after NGOs like the red cross and people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. They went after a few anti-war civil rights groups. So don't tell me that theres no abuse because I've had this stuff in my hand and looked at it. And in some cases I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff. And you know when I said to olbermann (sp?). I said my particular thing is high tech and what's going on is the other thing, which is "The Dragnet". "The Dragnet" is what Mark Klein is talking about - the terrestrial dragnet. Well my speciality is outer space. I deal with sattelites and everything that goes in and out of space. I did my spying via space. So that's how I found out about this.
HOST:
Now Russ the targeting of the people that you just mentioned. Top military leaders, members of congress, intelligence community leaders and - I'm sorry it was intelligence committees. Let me that correct that - not "intelligence community". And then executive branch appointees. This creates the basis and the potential for massive blackmail.
Russ Tice:
Absolutely! And remember we talked about that before - that I was worried that the intelligence committee now has sway over what is going on. Now here's the big one. I haven't given you any names. This was in summer 2004. One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a 40-something year old wanna-be Senator from Illinois. You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It's a big White House in Washington DC. That's who they went after. And that's the President of the United States now. And I could give you names of a bunch of different people they went after that I saw! The names and the phone numbers of congress. Not only the names but it looked like staff people too, and their staff. And not only their Washington office but back home intheir congressional offices that they have in their home state offices and stuff like that. This thing is incredible what NSA has done. They've basically turned themselves - in my opinion - into a rogue agency that has J Edgar Hoover capabilities on a monstrous scale on steroids.
Okay they went after - and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things. They went after high ranking military officers. They went after members of congress. The Senate and the House - especially on the intelligence committees, and on the armed services committees and judicial. But they went after other ones too. They went after lawyers and law firms. Heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the supreme court that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after state department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House - their own people! They went after anti-war groups. They went after US companies that do international business around the world. They went after US banking firms and financial firms that do international business.
They went after NGOs like the red cross and people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. They went after a few anti-war civil rights groups. So don't tell me that theres no abuse because I've had this stuff in my hand and looked at it. And in some cases I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff. And you know when I said to olbermann (sp?). I said my particular thing is high tech and what's going on is the other thing, which is "The Dragnet". "The Dragnet" is what Mark Klein is talking about - the terrestrial dragnet. Well my speciality is outer space. I deal with sattelites and everything that goes in and out of space. I did my spying via space. So that's how I found out about this.
HOST:
Now Russ the targeting of the people that you just mentioned. Top military leaders, members of congress, intelligence community leaders and - I'm sorry it was intelligence committees. Let me that correct that - not "intelligence community". And then executive branch appointees. This creates the basis and the potential for massive blackmail.
Russ Tice:
Absolutely! And remember we talked about that before - that I was worried that the intelligence committee now has sway over what is going on. Now here's the big one. I haven't given you any names. This was in summer 2004. One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a 40-something year old wanna-be Senator from Illinois. You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It's a big White House in Washington DC. That's who they went after. And that's the President of the United States now. And I could give you names of a bunch of different people they went after that I saw! The names and the phone numbers of congress. Not only the names but it looked like staff people too, and their staff. And not only their Washington office but back home intheir congressional offices that they have in their home state offices and stuff like that. This thing is incredible what NSA has done. They've basically turned themselves - in my opinion - into a rogue agency that has J Edgar Hoover capabilities on a monstrous scale on steroids.
Journalister är verkligen en patetisk yrkesgrupp. De skriver spaltmeter om Snowden som person, men ovanstående avslöjanden får inte ens en notis.
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Senast redigerad av HDCase 2013-06-23 kl. 15:54.
Senast redigerad av HDCase 2013-06-23 kl. 15:54.
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Jag har faktiskt en känsla av att det (profileringen) redan nu påverkar vilka jobb vi har och vilka vi kan få. Medlemmar i piratpartiet Finland har klagat på varför de inte kan hålla jobben, själv har jag hört om övervakningsnazism på GE Health (Andra divisioner i GE gör ju vapen). Situationen i Finland jobbmässigt är lite speciell efter att typ 10000 högutbildade ingenjörer plötsligt sökte jobb, sparkade från Nokia alltså. (Å så kan navigatorn samla in data om dig, kartorna förbättras automatiskt så, kanske sparas denna data. Jag tror det.)
Skulle inte förvåna mig alls. När det är militärer som spionerar kan de få för sig att göra vad som helst för att vinna
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