Ville bara påpeka en intressant upptäckt jag gjort ikväll medan jag läste denna tråd ifrån början.
Tråden skapades 2005 och pro-israelerna har använt samma lömska teknik då som nu, neka fakta, neka fakta och återigen neka fakta. Nu när vi sitter här 4 år senare och flera tusen döda vad har vi lärt oss? Samma lömska teknik har inte bara använts här i över 4år utom även i den allmänna debatten som vilseleder icke insatta. Pro-israelerna håller igång lögnerna trots att de blir överbevisade år efter år. Läs gärna de första 50 sidorna och se själva.
Idag när vi ser vad Israels politik gjort, Hamas vann valet, kan vi konstatera att deras "metoder" inte är lönsamma för Israels egen vinning då fred inte nåtts, är det då fred som Israel vill ha? Tjänar de inte på kriget? Palestinierna får ingenting medan Israel kan fortsätta bygga bosättningar och knycka vatten ifrån palestinierna. Palestinierna har ingen rörelsefrihet, kontroll över vägarna, gränserna eller havet. Ska Palestinierna byta taktik? Många pro-israeler menar detta, får man fråga varför Israel inte bör ta deras "argument" då det vore optimalt att landet som redan har allt hjälper folket de bestulit att få lite tillbaka? Det finns inga mer argument, Israel är en krigsapparat som främjar en apartheid och i längden en än värre etnisk rensning om inget görs, inget verkar heller ske. Netanyahu går sin väg trots press ifrån Obama, vilket jävla politisk jippo det hela är.
Betselem har statistik på det mesta gällande konflikten och de går även tillbaka långt innan 2005, vem vinner på denna konflikt?
www.btselem.org/english
I början av tråden nämndes även "nu kommer israel dra sig ur Gaza.." nu i efterhand ser vi att så inte var fallet. Man "drog sig ur" så att säga, betselem dokumenterar just detta:
The Gaza Strip after disengagement
http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/
Citat:
After the plan was completed, Israel issued an order declaring the end of the military government in the Gaza Strip, and claimed that it was no longer responsible for ensuring the proper functioning of life there. However, Israel continued to control the air and sea space, movement between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (also via neighboring countries), the population registry, family unification, and the crossing of goods to and from Gaza . Also, residents of the Gaza Strip rely solely on Israel for its supply of fuel, electricity, and gas. Until 28 June 2006, an independent electric-power station operated in the Gaza Strip, producing about one-half of the electricity needed by the residents in the Strip. The station relied completely on fuel and gas from Israel. On 28 June, Israel bombed the electric-power station. Since then, residents of the Gaza Strip have relied completely on Israel for their electricity.
Citat:
Other than the improvement and benefit mentioned above, the disengagement did not lead to any improvement in the living conditions of the area's residents, and Israel continues to violate their rights by its various acts and omissions.
Israel 's frequent closing of the crossings between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank severely infringed the right of Gazans to work and to adequate living conditions. They also made it harder for Gazan exporters to compete and develop their businesses, and led to a significant drop in the availability of basic goods and medicines and to a sharp increase in their prices. Israel 's decision to drastically curtail the number of Gazans allowed to work in Israel left many families without a source of livelihood. As a result, forty percent of the work force in Gaza is unemployed. Israel froze, following the establishment of the Hamas government, the transfer to the PA of tax moneys it collected for it. This action prevents the payment of salaries to public employees and aggravates the already bad economic condition. Eighty percent of the residents of the Gaza Strip live under the poverty line.
Israel's control of the airspace and the territorial waters of the Gaza Strip
http://www.btselem.org/english/Gaza_Strip/Control_on_Air_space_and_territorial_waters.asp
Citat:
With final implementation of the "disengagement plan," on 12 September 2005, OC Central Command, Major-General Dan Harel, issued a proclamation declaring the end of the military government in the Gaza Strip. With this, Israel contended, its control of Gaza came to an end and it was no longer responsible for what happened there. Israel incorporated this contention in the language of the disengagement plan which it drafted, however the disengagement plan also states that," Israel will hold sole control of Gaza airspace and will continue to carry out military activity in the waters of the Gaza Strip." Indeed, Israel has maintained total and sole control of Gaza's airspace and the territorial waters, just as it has from the time when the occupation of the Gaza Strip began, in 1967.
För detaljerad information om bosättningsinvånarantal och ökning finns ett excel dokument, direkt länk:
http://www.btselem.org/English/Settlements/Settlement_population.xls
För övrig statistik om bosättningarna:
http://www.btselem.org/english/Settlements/Statistics.asp
Till höger finner man än mer specificerad statistik.
Citat:
At the end of 2008, the West Bank (not including East Jerusalem) contained 121 settlements that the Interior Ministry recognized as “communities,” even though some of them contain stretches of land on which the built-up area is not contiguous. Twelve other large settlements and small settlement points are located on land annexed by Israel in 1967 and made part of Jerusalem. There are an additional 100 or so unrecognized settlements, referred to in the media as “outposts,” which are usually smaller than the recognized settlements.
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