2013-02-23, 11:18
  #2017
Medlem
JackDanielzs avatar
Jag tänker att det måste finnas utmärkta vittnesuppgifter i och med att barnen överlevt?
Dem är givetvis djupt traumatiserade och det äldre barnet åtdrog sig kroppsskador, men någon info om händelseförlopp osv bör ju uppdagas??
Finns det någon mer info om vad förhör med barnen givit?

EDIT:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203206/French-Alps-shooting-Zainab-Al-Hilli-told-police-saw-bad-man.html

Kopplingen till Jack Drummond -morden är ju rätt intressant också:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Drummond
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2013-02-28, 18:47
  #2018
Medlem
jardins avatar
Man verkar inte ha kommit sarskilt langre!
I gar i bl.a. Le Parisien
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/tuerie-de-chevaline-les-enqueteurs-cherchent-des-donnees-informatiques-27-02-2013-2603331.php
Delar av artikeln oversatt till engelska med hjalp av Bing:
We are trying to recover the data, but it takes time. The judge acknowledged that the investigation was particularly difficult due to its 'international character' and the 'clash of legal cultures.

French justice transmitted rogatory commissions in the United States because accounting data have been recorded by Saad al-Hilli on computer servers overseas. But "American judges refuse to send them if we do show a direct link between these data and the murders, which is almost impossible," said M.Maillaud. In addition, each letter rogatory shall be "thoroughly translated», which also takes a lot of time. Investigators, however, continue to the life of Saad al-Hilli ' comb '.
A biker wanted

Investigators are also looking for a bike that is was ventured the day of the murders on forest trails and was renewed in the path of the combe of Ire by agents of the ONF (national forestry Office). "It is certain that we would like to speak to the driver of this bike, even though this does not mean that it is the killer," said Mr. Maillaud.

Nearly 800 people have been heard since, but without that it allows to get "of crucial", concluded Wednesday the Prosecutor of the Republic.
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2013-03-15, 12:09
  #2019
Medlem
Poyrojts avatar
Enl.RTL.fr kommer ett viktigt utredarmöte att hållas nästa vecka i Haag, ang.morden i Chevaline.
Värd för mötet skall vara Eurojust.
Noteras att även Svenska utredare skall deltaga.

http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/info/article/tuerie-de-chevaline-les-enqueteurs-reunis-la-semaine-prochaine-a-la-haye-7759419738
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2013-03-15, 16:01
  #2020
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Poyrojt
Enl.RTL.fr kommer ett viktigt utredarmöte att hållas nästa vecka i Haag, ang.morden i Chevaline.
Värd för mötet skall vara Eurojust.
Noteras att även Svenska utredare skall deltaga.

http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/info/article/tuerie-de-chevaline-les-enqueteurs-reunis-la-semaine-prochaine-a-la-haye-7759419738

Skall bli intressant att höra om man ger ny info efter detta möte!

Det verkar vara ganska omfattande med deltagare från så många olika länder.

Men undrar varför man lägger mötet i Haag?
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2013-03-15, 21:58
  #2021
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Poyrojt
Enl.RTL.fr kommer ett viktigt utredarmöte att hållas nästa vecka i Haag, ang.morden i Chevaline.
Värd för mötet skall vara Eurojust.
Noteras att även Svenska utredare skall deltaga.

http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/info/article/tuerie-de-chevaline-les-enqueteurs-reunis-la-semaine-prochaine-a-la-haye-7759419738

Även spanska och italienska utredare kommer att delta.

Eurojusts verksamhet:
Citat:
Mission and tasks
Eurojust stimulates and improves the coordination of investigations and prosecutions between the competent authorities in the Member States and improves the cooperation between the competent authorities of the Member States, in particular by facilitating the execution of international mutual legal assistance and the implementation of extradition requests. Eurojust supports in any way possible the competent authorities of the Member States to render their investigations and prosecutions more effective when dealing with cross-border crime.

At the request of a Member State, Eurojust may assist investigations and prosecutions concerning that particular Member State and a non-Member State if a cooperation agreement has been concluded or if an essential interest in providing such assistance is demonstrated.

Eurojust's competence covers the same types of crime and offences for which Europol has competence, such as terrorism, drug trafficking, trafficking in human beings, counterfeiting, money laundering, computer crime, crime against property or public goods including fraud and corruption, criminal offences affecting the European Community's financial interests, environmental crime and participation in a criminal organisation. For other types of offences, Eurojust may assist in investigations and prosecutions at the request of a Member State.

Eurojust may ask the competent authorities of the Member States concerned:

to investigate or prosecute specific acts;
to coordinate with one another;
to accept that one country is better placed to prosecute than another;
to set up a Joint Investigation Team; or
to provide Eurojust with information necessary to carry out its tasks.
Furthermore, Eurojust:

shall ensure that the competent authorities inform each other of investigations and prosecutions of which they have been informed;
shall assist the competent authorities in ensuring the best possible coordination of investigations and prosecutions;
shall give assistance to improve cooperation between the competent national authorities, in particular based on Europol's analyses;
shall cooperate and consult with the European Judicial Network (EJN), and make use of and contribute to the improvement of its documentary database;
may, in accordance with its objectives, try to improve cooperation and coordination between the competent authorities, and forward requests for judicial assistance when they: (i) are made by the competent authority of a Member State, (ii) concern an investigation or prosecution conducted by that authority in a specific case, and (iii) necessitate its intervention with a view to coordinated action;
may assist Europol, particularly with opinions based on analyses carried out by Europol; and
may supply logistical support, e.g. assistance in translation, interpretation and the organisation of coordination meetings.
http://www.eurojust.europa.eu/about/background/Pages/mission-tasks.aspx

Det verkar inte som man kommer att diskutera någon enskild psykiskt störd GM. Eller en arvstvist.

Att mötet sker i Haag förklaras med att Eurojust har sitt säte i Haag.
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2013-03-16, 10:09
  #2022
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Batuta
Att mötet sker i Haag förklaras med att Eurojust har sitt säte i Haag.

Jo, jag insåg det efteråt. Sorry.

Men detta måste indikera att man alltmer har fokuserat på ett internationellt scenario?
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2013-03-17, 15:42
  #2023
Medlem
jardins avatar
Franska domare vill aka till Irak. Forr eller senare maste vi aka dit!
http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-divers/tuerie-de-chevaline-les-juges-francais-veulent-se-rendre-en-irak-7886296.html
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2013-03-17, 23:03
  #2024
Medlem
Poyrojts avatar
E.Maillaud, som tidigare nästan helt avfärdat S.Mollier som det primära målet för mördaren(na),kanske tvingas ändra ståndpunkt efter denna uppgift.
Citat:
The gunman who killed three members of a British family in the Alps in September last year first shot a French cyclist, ballistics tests have found.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3702784.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2013_03_01

Då blir det snarare, motsatt Maillaudciteringen nedan, så att al-Hilli's var där av en händelse och sedan försökte fly från det man bevittnat.
Citat:
Le cycliste français dont le corps avait été retrouvé gisant à côté de la voiture de la famille al-Hilli était là par "erreur". "Il s'est mal guidé et s'est trompé de route. Il est arrivé sur place purement par erreur", a déclaré à l'AFP M. Maillaud.

Något för Eurojustmötet att reda ut...
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2013-03-17, 23:20
  #2025
Medlem
jardins avatar
Hur kan man se i vilken ordning skotten har gatt av?
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2013-03-17, 23:45
  #2026
Medlem
upsteppers avatar
Flest skott hade avlossats mot cyklisten så att det primära målet är cyklisten
stämmer även med ballistikrapporten i beaktande.

Mollier hade nyligen passerat engelsmannen som också cyklade, teorin om
en förväxling av person kan således ännu inte uteslutas.
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2013-03-18, 00:11
  #2027
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Poyrojt
E.Maillaud, som tidigare nästan helt avfärdat S.Mollier som det primära målet för mördaren(na),kanske tvingas ändra ståndpunkt efter denna uppgift.


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3702784.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2013_03_01

Då blir det snarare, motsatt Maillaudciteringen nedan, så att al-Hilli's var där av en händelse och sedan försökte fly från det man bevittnat.


Något för Eurojustmötet att reda ut...

Redan 31/10 hade Daily Mail uppgifter om att Mollier sköts först.

Citat:
Does French cyclist hold the key to Alps massacre? He was shot seven times BEFORE British family were gunned down

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Officially, police say there is no scientific proof about the chronology of the executions.
That may be true, but we have been told that investigators who have accessed all the available evidence are convinced that Sylvain Mollier was the first to be shot.


Mr Saad al-Hilli's car at the heart of the murder scene in the forrest near Chevaline and Lake Annecy in the French Alps
A source who agreed to meet the Mail in a hotel in Grenoble last week has close links with the local gendarmerie and has detailed knowledge of the ballistics file.
Mr Mollier, he says, was shot seven times in two separate bursts of fire. The first two shots were to his chest, the third to his head. The angle and trajectory of the bullets mean Mr Mollier must have been either standing up or still on his bike when he was gunned down.
But analysis of the four other bullets, all in Mr Mollier’s back and lower body, indicate he was lying on the ground when they were fired. Because Mr Mollier was shot in different positions, police believe it is unlikely that all seven shots came from a single, continuous volley of gunfire; there was a gap, they think, maybe only a few fleeting moments, between the initial and final shots, during which time members of the Al-Hilli family were killed.


In other words, the gunman opened fire on Mr Mollier first, then dispatched Saad Al-Hilli, his wife Ikbal and her mother Suhalia, who had all witnessed the attack, before returning to ‘finish off’ Mr Mollier.
This version of events is not inconsistent with seven-year-old Zainab Al-Hilli’s account of what happened. According to the French newspaper Le Monde, she told detectives she and her father were outside the car when the shooting started.
Her father grabbed her hand and may have been shot in the back as he fled with her to the vehicle. In the confusion, he got in the BMW without her, locked the doors then reversed at high speed and hit Mr Mollier in the chest.
As her father frantically reversed the car, Zainab says, it got stuck on an embankment, leaving those inside it at the mercy of the killer.
If Mr Mollier was shot in two separate bursts of fire as police suspect, he may already have been dead or fatally wounded when the car struck him and then reversed into the embankment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225436/The-man-whos-key-Alps-massacre-Mail-investigation-uncovers-vital-new-evidence-execution-British-fami ly-thats-baffling-police.html#ixzz2NqD3PhA0
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2013-03-18, 09:08
  #2028
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Batuta
Redan 31/10 hade Daily Mail uppgifter om att Mollier sköts först.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225436/The-man-whos-key-Alps-massacre-Mail-investigation-uncovers-vital-new-evidence-execution-British-fami ly-thats-baffling-police.html#ixzz2NqD3PhA0

med mina ringa forensiska kunskaper från csi så låter det ju rätt personligt att skjuta någon med sju skott. och att sedan avrätta en hel familj därefter låter som en galning.
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