“The expansion of the Indo-European languages was not completed by the Bronze or Iron Ages but has been an ongoing process which continues to the present. The rise of Europe and its colonial extensions into Africa, Australia and the New World carried English, Spanish, Portuguese and French into new lands where they are still assimilating the speakers of native languages. And in Asia, Russian is continuing to spread across the eastern territories of the Soviet Union. Over a period of 6,000 years we have witnessed the emergence and expansion of a language family until it embraces nearly half the population of this planet.”^^ Spridningen av de indo-europeiska språken har till stor del korrelerat med spridningen av indo-europeiska gener (autosomalt sett åtminstone), även om det inte alltid varit en helt perfekt korrelation.
— J.P. Mallory, In Search of the Indo-Europeans: Language, Archaeology, and Myth, ISBN 050005052X, p. 265
Studies of ancient DNA have found H5 in four individuals of around 6800 BC from the Pre-pottery Neolithic B site of Tell Halula, Syria.[7] H5a has been found in a Tagar (800 BC–100 AD) man on the Russian steppe whose Y-DNA was R1a1a [14] and in Margrethe, alias Estrid, 11th century AD Queen of Denmark.[15]^^ mtDNA H5a hittades alltså i Krasnoyarsk, Sibirien, bland blåögda/ljushåriga skytiska (ariska) R1a män. Som äkta genuin proto-semitisk J-P58 ättling bär jag själv på mtDNA H5a från min svartmuskiga armeniska mormor, och recessiva anlag för blå ögon och ljust hår bär jag på via min blåögda assyriska far, men noterbart är att jag saknar den nordeuropeiska komponenten (ASY2):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H5_%28mtDNA%29#Ancient_DNA
Cesar var mörkhårig och brunögd. Romarna beskriver sig själv som kortare och mörkare än barbarerna från norr. Samtidigt som grekerna beskrev sig som den perfekta rasen. De var inte lika mörka som som folket från Afrika och de var inte heller lika ljusa som germanerna. Utan de var där emellan. Samtidigt som dagens italienare, greker och jugoslaver etc är mer genetisk lika de romarna och grekerna. Som för det mesta hade Y-DNA J2."Yes, the Savage Garden, " Marius said with a spark of light in his^^ "Barbarer" = illiterata direkta ättlingar till proto-indoeuropéerna (som saknade ett eget skriftspråk och hade en illitterat, oralkultur där man bevarade ens religion, kultur och seder via en oralisk tradition).
eyes. "And I had to go out of the civilized cities of the Empire to find
it. I had to go into the deep woods of the northern provinces, where
the garden still grew at its lushest, the very land of Southern Gaul in
which you were born. I had to fall into the hands of the barbarians
who gave us both our stature, our blue eyes, our fair hair. I had it
through the blood of my mother, who had come from those people,
the daughter of a Keltic chieftain married to a Roman patrician. And
you have it through the blood of your fathers directly from those days.
And by a strange coincidence, we were both chosen for immortality
for the very same reason-you by Magnus and I by my captors-that we
were the nonpareils of our blood and blueeyed race, that we were taller
and more finely made than other men. " — Anne Rice, The Vampire Lestat, p. 288
" `And will my body die when this happens?' I asked. I was looking^^ Förvisso skönlitteratur, men hon baserade den uppfattning på hur romarna betraktade dåtidens kelter som långa, blonda, ljushåriga osv. Antikens greker och italienare var medelhavsblattar då precis som de är idag, med lite inslag av blondism och blå ögon lite här och var från efterresterna av de proto-indoeuropeiska R-M17 ättlingar som spred proto-italiska och proto-grekiska till södra Europa.
at them, their sharp narrow faces, their probing eyes, the gaunt grace
with which they surrounded me. What a terror this race must have
been when its warriors swept down on the Mediterranean peoples. No
wonder there had been so much written about their fearlessness. But
these weren't warriors. These were priests, judges, and teachers. These
were the instructors of the young, the keepers of the poetry and the
laws that were never written in any language.
— Anne Rice, The Vampire Lestat, p. 306
“The term Old Europe is applied to a pre-Indo-European culture of Europe, a culture matrifocal and probably matrilinear, agricultural and sedentary, egalitarian and peaceful. It contrasted sharply with the ensuing Proto-Indo-European culture which was patriarchal, stratified, pastoral, mobile, and war-oriented, superimposed on all Europe, except the southern and western fringes, in the course of three waves of infiltration from the Russian steppes, between 4500 and 2500 BC. During and after this period the female deities, or more accurately the Goddess Creatrix in her many aspects, were largely replaced by the predominantly male divinities of the Indo-Europeans. What developed after c. 2500 BC was a melange of the two mythic systems, Old European and Indo-European.” — Marija Gimbutas, The Language of the Goddess, 1989a, cited in Aryan Idols, p. 289, ISBN 0226028607^^ Stämmer perfekt överens med spridningen av R-M17:
“Why must the Greeks ‘come’ from elsewhere? In attempting an answer to this question we must admit that we lack the historical documentation that served us in Asia and, consequently, we cannot positively demonstrate a pre-Greek population on the evidence of contemporary testimony.13 Yet it has long been argued that a pre-Greek population declares its existence loudly enough in the Greek language itself. There are two types of evidence. Many would agree that a substantial portion of the Greek vocabulary pertaining to the specific environmental character of the Mediterranean cannot be explained as the Greek outcome of inherited Indo-European words. These include such plants as the vine, fig, olive, hyacinth, cypress, laurel, marjoram, chickpea, chestnut, cherry and parsnip. Among the animals are the ass, the wild ox and the beetle. Items of material culture are similarly non-Greek: metal, tin, bronze, lead, jar, pail, oil flask, sword, javelin, cornice, coping, chamber, bath tub and brick. Certain political or social concepts, basic to Greek society, are expressed with what are usually taken to be pre-Greek words. These include the word for king (basileus, Mycenaean qa-si-re-u), as well as slave (doulos, Mycenaean do-e-ro) and concubine. Neither do the most prominent heroes of Greek epic — Odysseus, Achilles, Theseus — nor many of the Greek divinities — Athene, Hera, Aphrodite, Hermes — bear obviously Indo-European Greek names.14 A second line of evidence derives from place names found in Greece. Many of the most important names cannot be explained by the Indo-European core of the Greek language. Either the roots of the names are meaningless in terms of Greek, or the names are constructed employing suffixes which signal that they are not originally of Greek construction. These include major toponyms such as Corinth, Knossos, Salamis, Larisa, Samos and even Olympus and Mycenae. In an early interpretation of this evidence, Joseph Haley and Carl Blegen observed that many of the names and suffixes were also to be found in Anatolia and that it was probable that they expanded from that region into Greece during the Early Bronze Age (3000-2000 BC) when there was a general cultural uniformity over much of the Aegean. Whether all the details of this hypothesis can withstand the more critical scrutiny in current archaeological and linguistic circles is doubtful. Yet the linguistic evidence taken as a whole does indicate that the Greeks did borrow a considerable number of elements from a non-Greek language.13 The vocabulary suggests that these borrowings were not wholly random, but rather tend to focus on words that a population intrusive into a new land might be expected to adopt from the previous inhabitants. At least some of the loan words borrowed into Greek would seem to have been derived from a culture familiar with a level of metallurgy (copper, bronze, tin) that existed no earlier than the end of the fourth millennium BC. The logical consequence of all this is that the Greeks are not native to Greece but were the product of Indo-European intruders who superimposed themselves on an earlier Bronze Age population. This, some would say, is further confirmed by the Greeks' own historical tradition which indicates that they had absorbed a number of earlier non-Greek populations, some of whom bear obvious non-Indo-European names.”Så även antikens greker var medelhavsblattar som bar på Y-DNA J2 och E-V13 och de var redan blandade med proto-indoeuropeiska ättlingar på den tiden. På senare år har dessutom slaviska R-M458 ättlingar från Polen assimilerats i norra Grekland (Makedonien), så om något har ju grekerna blivit mer nordeuropeiska idag än vad de var förr.
— J.P. Mallory, In Search of the Indo-Europeans: Language, Archaeology, and Myth, ISBN 050005052X, pp. 67-68

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