Historiska Museet: "för tusen år sedan fanns inga svenskar"

Varför är det osannorlikt med svart kvinna i vikingakläder?
Mig veterligen så fanns inte "Sverige" som nation i ordets bemärkelse år 1011.
Och om landet inte "finns", finns det då en "nationalitet"?

Fanns det judar då?

Angående att det inte fanns några svenskar har de väl delvis rätt i. Det bodde ju naturligtvis folk här men det var då inte så att de kallade sig för svenskar.

Angående svarta vikingar och allt vad det kan vara så kan väl barnen få ha sitt roliga. Det är ingenting att bry sig om.

Romans
The Roman empire under Hadrian (ruled 117-38), showing the location of the Suiones Germanic tribe, inhabiting central Sweden
Gaius Cornelius Tacitus

There are two sources from the 1st century A.D that are quoted as referring to the Suiones. The first one is Pliny the Elder who said that the Romans had rounded the Cimbric peninsula (Jutland) where there was the Codanian Gulf (Kattegat?). In this gulf there were several large islands among which the most famous was Scatinavia (Scandinavia). He said that the size of the island was unknown but in a part of it dwelt a tribe named the Hillevionum gente, in 500 villages, and they considered their country to be a world of its own.

What strikes the commentators of this text is that this large tribe is unknown to posterity, unless it was a simple misspelling or misreading of Illa Svionum gente. This would make sense, since a large Scandinavian tribe named the Suiones was known to the Romans.

Tacitus wrote in AD 98 in Germania 44, 45 that the Suiones were a powerful tribe (distinguished not merely for their arms and men, but for their powerful fleets) with ships that had a prow in both ends (longships). Which kings (kuningaz) ruled these Suiones is unknown, but Norse mythology presents a long line of legendary and semi-legendary kings going back to the last centuries BC.

After Tacitus' mention of the Suiones, the sources are silent about them until the 6th century as Scandinavia still was in pre-historic times. Some historias have maintained that it is not possible to claim that a continuous Swedish ethnicity reaches back to the Suiones of Tacitus.[9] According to this view the referent of an ethnonym and the ethnic discourse have varied considerably during different phases of history.
[edit] Jordanes
Vendel era helmet, at the Swedish Museum of National Antiquities.

In the 6th century Jordanes named two tribes he calls the Suehans and the Suetidi who lived in Scandza. The Suehans are considered to be the Suiones, and they were famous for their fine horses. Snorri Sturluson wrote that the contemporary Swedish king Adils (Eadgils) had the finest horses of his days. The Suehans were the suppliers of black fox skins for the Roman market. Then Jordanes names a tribe named Suetidi a name that is considered to refer to the Suiones as well and to be the Latin form of Sweþiuð. The Suetidi are said to be the tallest of men together with the Dani who were of the same stock.
[edit] Anglo-Saxon sources

There are three Anglo-Saxon sources that refer to the Swedes. The earliest one is probably the least known, since the mention is found in a long list of names of tribes and clans. It is the poem Widsith from the 6th or the 7th century:

Wald Woingum, Wod þyringum,
Sæferð Sycgum, Sweom Ongendþeow,
Sceafthere Ymbrum, Sceafa Longbeardum,



Wald [ruled] the Woings, Wod the Thuringians,
Saeferth the Sycgs, Ongendtheow the Swedes,
Sceafthere the Umbers, Sceafa the Lombards,



On line 32, Ongentheow is mentioned and he reappears in the later epic poem Beowulf, which was composed sometime in the 8th-11th centuries.
Vendel era helmet, at the Swedish Museum of National Antiquities.

The poem describes Swedish-Geatish wars, during the 6th century, involving the Swedish kings Ongentheow, Ohthere, Onela and Eadgils who belonged to a royal dynasty called the Scylfings. These kings were probably historical kings as they appear in many Scandinavian sources as well (see Swedish semi-legendary kings). There appears to be a prophecy by Wiglaf in the end of the epic of new wars with the Swedes:

When more reliable historic sources appear the Geats are a subgroup of the Swedes.

The third Anglo-Saxon source is Alfred the Great's translation of Orosius' Histories, where are told the voyages of Ohthere from Hålogaland and Wulfstan of Hedeby, who in the 9th century described the Sweon and Sweoland.

Ohthere's account is limited to the following statement about Swēoland:

Ðonne is toēmnes ðǣm lande sūðeweardum, on ōðre healfe ðæs mōres, Swēoland, oð ðæt land norðeweard; and toēmnes ðǣm lande norðeweardum, Cwēna land.(Excerpt presented by the University of Victoria

Then Sweden is along the land to the south, on the other side of the moors, as far as the land to the north; and (then) Finland (is) along the land to the north.(Translation of the University of Victoria

Wulfstan only mentions a few regions as being subject to the Sweons (in translation):

Then, after the land of the Burgundians, we had on our left the lands that have been called from the earliest times Blekingey, and Meore, and Eowland, and Gotland, all which territory is subject to the Sweons; and Weonodland was all the way on our right, as far as Weissel-mouth.[2]

[edit] Frankish sources

During the 8th century and 9th century Suione traders and raiders settled in the north of eastern Europe, a country of rivers and Baltic, Slavic and Finnish tribes.

The Annales Bertiniani relate that a group of Vikings, who called themselves Rhos visited Constantinople around the year 838. Fearful of returning home via the steppes, which would leave them vulnerable to attacks by the Magyars, these Rhos travelled through Germany. They were questioned by the Frankish Emperor Louis the Pious somewhere near Mainz. They informed the emperor that their leader was known as chacanus (the Latin for "Khagan") and that they lived in the north of Russia, but that they were Sueones.

Varför är det osannorlikt med svart kvinna i vikingakläder?
Mig veterligen så fanns inte "Sverige" som nation i ordets bemärkelse år 1011.
Och om landet inte "finns", finns det då en "nationalitet"?

Varför är det osannorlikt med svart kvinna i vikingakläder?
Mig veterligen så fanns inte "Sverige" som nation i ordets bemärkelse år 1011.
Och om landet inte "finns", finns det då en "nationalitet"?

Då får du läsa på lite bättre grabben. Se mitt inlägg ovan.

det spelar ingen roll vilken hudfärg dom har vi är alla människor

Propagandan från Historiska museet är äcklig. Varför måste man hata svenskar och hela tiden arbeta för att allt svenskt skall bort? Med deras tänk så skulle det inte finnas några länder överhuvudtaget i världen.
Då har de missat hela poängen med länder: Människor har olika värderingar och kulturer. Det finns ingen "rätt" kultur. Vill en neger klättra i trädet, så skall han få göra det. Men i sitt hemland.
Vill vita skapa ett bra samhälle, så skall vi få göra det, utan att det traskar in 2+ miljoner lyckosökare som tär på vårt land.

Besökte Historiska museet i helgen med min familj.
Ja, jag såg också den provocerande texten ifråga.
Kände mig faktiskt kränkt!

Sedan lite längre in förnekas i princip vikingarna genom att hävda att vikingatiden uppfanns under slutet på 1800-talet, då Sverige behövde en lämplig historia.

Alltså, på vårt eget historiska museeum i Stockholm, får vi lära oss att vi är simpla bönder, allt bra kommer utifrån.

Skulle hellre se texter som denna: Massor med guld och silverskatter har hittats i Sverige, vårt land var rikt och vi hade fred i långa tider.
I Uppland finns nästan 2000 runstenar kvar, ett arv av en hög kultur...