Inbördeskrig i Libyen? Sammanfogad tråd [Mod]

En del har inget förstånd, idag utfördes en attack på Ras Lanuf oljeterminal av gröna trasans gäng, dom avrättade 19 oljearbetare. Klart att kriget inte är slut.

Rysk media verkar överlag vara betydligt mer kritiska till NATO:s anfallskrig än västs mainstreammedia. Här rapporteras (i googles översättning) om hur en mängd sydamerikanska länder anser att kriget är orättfärdigt och aggressivt:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl =en&u=http://rusecuador.ru/ecuador-novedades/politica/8359-ekvador-i-strany-alba-vnov-kritikuyut-oon-i-nato.html

Nog har Obama-administrationen sina fläckar men det är viktigt att påpeka att dessa fyra amerikaner som nu är i Libyen har en helt annan roll än militära:

According to Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby, the four unidentified troops are there working under the State Department's chief of mission to assist in rebuilding the U.S. Embassy.

Kirby noted the embassy in Tripoli was badly damaged during the conflict between Muammar Qaddafi's forces and the rebels.

Two of the military personnel are explosive-ordnance experts who will be used to disable any explosives traps left in the embassy. The other two are "general security," according to Kirby.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland assured reporters Monday that the four individuals are not in Libya to fight.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/12/us-boots-on-ground-in-libya-pentagon-confirms/

Amerikanerna kommer att lämna landet när de utvärderat klart ambassadens skador.

Förhoppningsvis kommer vi se någon typ av reform av FN, eller upprättandet av en helt ny internationell organisation inom en snar framtid, i takt med missnöjet bland de växande nationerna. FN är och har sedan flera decennier tillbaka bara varit ett verktyg i stormakternas händer och nu på senaste tiden i supermaktens händer. Vill man så går man på det, vill man inte så tystar man ner det. "American Security Council" borde skiten heta istället.

I krig dör folk så enkelt är det. Om du går på mediernas uppgifter om de onda ghaddafianerna så får det stå för dig. Varför anfalls inte rebellerna av NATO när de lynchar folk. Finns gott om svarta i landet som inte har något som helst skydd just nu.

Det finns mörka Libyer med, det är inte de "svarta" man är ute efter - det är de som fångas med ID-kort eller annan identifikationsdokument som bevisar att de helt enkelt hyrdes in av Gadaffi för att mörda befolkningen. Legoknektar, alltså.
Och de flesta som jobbar inom oljeindustrin är inte afrikaner utan Egyptier och Tunisier, samt Jordanier.

Bara för några dagar sedan hittades hundratals identifikationsdokument nedbrända i någon byggnad i Tripoli.. folk från Mali, Niger, t.om Etiopien och Ghana, så långt har den gamle gubben gått för att slakta sin befolkning. Så vadå, ska man låta dom vara då eller? Mördare som tar betalt för det, vad tycker du de ska få för straff? Inbjudning till middag och en kopp te?

Senaste från Amnesty Internationel

In one of the most comprehensive reports yet on the human cost of the six-month conflict, Amnesty offers harrowing testimony of the war crimes, killings of unarmed protesters and arbitrary detentions by Gaddafi's security forces. But it also lifts the lid on a catalogue of reprisal attacks that have gained less international attention during the revolution.

"Opposition fighters and supporters have abducted, arbitrarily detained, tortured and killed former members of the security forces, suspected Gaddafi loyalists, captured soldiers and foreign nationals wrongly suspected of being mercenaries fighting on behalf of Gaddafi forces," Amnesty says.

"No independent or credible investigations are known to have been carried out by the NTC [opposition National Transitional Council], nor effective measures taken to hold to account those responsible for these abuses."

One chapter of the report, the Battle for Libya: killings, disappearances and torture, focuses on opposition abuses which, though on a "smaller scale" than those of the regime, are said to have been often ruthless and deadly.

The report says that in the first days of the uprising, groups of protesters killed captured soldiers and suspected mercenaries in al-Bayda, Derna and Benghazi. "Some were beaten to death, at least three were hanged, and others were shot dead after they had been captured or had surrendered," the report says.

Those who tried to distance themselves from Gaddafi's military apparatus were often shown no mercy, Amnesty's researchers found.

A former member of Libya's internal security agency, Ibrahim Khalifa al-Surmani, a father of six, was found dead on 10 May in the outskirts of Benghazi. "He had been shot in the head. His hands and feet were bound and a scarf was tightly tied around his neck. He was missing a piece of flesh from his right calf and marks on his trousers indicated that he had been kneeling. A bloodstained note bearing his name was found by the body; it read: '... a dog among Gaddafi's dogs has been eliminated'."

Amnesty also found more recent unlawful killings "perpetrated by organised groups who operate freely, openly and with impunity". Victims' families were generally unwilling to protest for fear of reprisals and to avoid the stigma of being labelled Gaddafi loyalists or "anti-revolutionary". In addition, opposition groups have detained hundreds of people in areas they control since the end of February, Amnesty says. These include people accused of "subverting the revolution," who say they were never shown an arrest warrant or any other document.

"In most cases, the manner of detention is better described as abduction rather than arrest," the report argues. "They were seized by groups of heavily-armed men, some of them masked, who did not identify themselves. They were then taken away in unmarked vehicles, usually pick-up trucks with anti-aircraft machine-guns mounted at the back."

It continues: "None of the detainees, whether Libyan or foreign civilians, or Libyan soldiers, have had access to a lawyer, been formally charged, or been given the opportunity to challenge their detention before a judicial authority."

Several detainees, including Libyan and foreign civilians, as well as captured soldiers, told Amnesty that they were tortured. Most commonly reported methods included beatings all over the body with objects such as belts, metal bars, sticks, rifle butts and rubber hoses (at times directly on exposed flesh); electric shocks; and threats – including rape.

The report states: "Victims are subjected to beatings and other abuses seemingly to extract confessions and to punish them for their alleged 'crimes'. In some cases, detainees are forced to sign or thumb-print statements under torture or duress without being allowed to read them. In fact, several detainees told Amnesty International that they were interrogated while blindfolded."

Amnesty was shown video footage of a group of rebels taunting captured soldiers at the al-Jalaa hospital in Benghazi, forcing them to repeat "I am a Gaddafi dog," and chew paper.

A detainee at the Saadoun secondary school detention centre in Misrata claimed he was often beaten with a metal bar or belt or given electric shocks. "It is very painful," the man was quoted as saying. "He wants me to confess that I have killed, raped and stolen; at least one of these crimes. When I say that I didn't do any of these things he tortures me more harshly."

Amnesty says NTC officials have shown willingness to take steps to improve prison conditions and avoid future abuses, but seemed reluctant to investigate and bring those responsible to justice.

The NTC sought to distance itself from the alleged violations. A spokeswoman for the NTC said: "The Amnesty report is overwhelmingly filled with the horrific abuses and killings by the Gaddafi regime. However, there are a small number of incidents involving those opposed to Gaddafi; the NTC strongly condemns any abuses perpetrated by either side."

She added: "The NTC is firmly committed to upholding human rights and the rule of law, both international and local. The violation of rights no longer has a place in Libya. The NTC is putting its efforts to bring any armed groups under official authorities and will fully investigate any incidents brought to our attention."

The findings are largely based on Amnesty's visit to Libya between 26 February and 28 May, including to the cities of al-Bayda, Ajdabiya, Brega, Benghazi, Misrata and Ras Lanouf. The report claims foreigners have been targeted by both sides, particularly individuals with dark skin. But the report adds: The report says people with dark skin were targeted by both sides, but "the allegations about the use of mercenaries proved to be largely unfounded".

The report chronicles in depth the atrocities committed by Gaddafi loyalists, including artillery, mortar and rocket attacks against residential areas and use of indiscriminate weapons such as anti-personnel mines and cluster bombs. Civilians not involved in the fighting were killed and extra-judicial executions carried out.

Amnesty found an extensive campaign of enforced disappearances of perceived opponents across the country, including journalists, writers, online activists and protesters. Thousands of Libyans were abducted from their homes, mosques and streets, or captured near the frontline, frequently with the use of violence. Among the disappeared were children as young as 12.

Bra inisiativ.
Jag har skickat.

Ta och editera ditt förra inlägg med [quote]text [/QUOTE ] taggen (utan mellanrum) så du inte fuckar upp tråden.

Tja en miljon är på flykt de flesta svarta och hela byar har tömts av rebellerna. Alla är väl knappast
legoknektar. Nu har TNC sagt att inga som kan förknippas med Gadaffregimeni kommer ha någon plats
i det "nya Libyen". Med tanke på att några miljoner har någon form av band till gamla regimen så undrar man ju hur många som blir kvar.
Mysigt att NATO och FN hjälper till att rensa ut landet.

Men att aldrig folk lär sig. Om man har NATO emot sig, vem fan är så dum att man slåss då? Självklart var den galne översten tvungen att hyra in drägg från Ompa-Bompaländerna för att få tag på nog dumma personer för att kunna fortsätta kampen. Hade den svettige före detta diktarn bara gått av hade han säkert fått sitta vid en snygg villa vid Medelhavet resten av livet iställe för att bli jagad som den hund han är. Jaja, folk kan verkligen inte tänka........

Men Khadaffi erbjöd ju förhandlingslösning på tidigt stadium och försökte flera ggr med eldupphör
- men västalliansen / NATO / rebellerna ville till varje pris ha blodsutgjutelse. De ville inte ha
någon fredlig lösning med Khadaffi i livet i alla fall. Så som jag uppfattat det i alla fall.

Förresten tycker jag att orden "slåss", "våld" osv (som blivit praxis använda även i så här allvarliga sammanhang) är alldeles för milda ord när det gäller död, massaker och lemlästning. Som om det vore barn som bråkade och liknande.