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Ursprungligen postat av Provocero
Ja det där är ett intressant fenomen som jag har sett åtskilliga gånger. De som redan har en mäktig stack brukar lätt slå ut KK med J3 eller liknande händer. Min bror tror att det är systematiserat så att turneringen ska bli klar så tidigt som möjligt för att folk ska regga sig för en ny.
Jag skickade gnälliga jävla mail till pokerstars och fick mail tillbaka som lugnade mig en del:
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Thank you for your email.
I am sorry to hear that you have not been enjoying your online poker
experience lately. As a poker player myself, I know only too well the
frustration of being sucked out. I, too have had sessions where bad luck has
appeared to dog my every move. At times like these it can be easy to start
believing that there is more against you than just luck. However, the truth
is that we only facilitate the game by dealing the cards in a fair, honest
and random manner.
We do not favor one player over another nor can we manipulate the deal to
select a winner for any and every hand dealt online. We run nothing less
than a fair and honest game and although sometimes it may feel as though the
cards are "stacked" against you, it's explained simply by the variance and
statistics of the game ironing themselves out.
Regarding the comment you made about big stacks being favoured to beat small
stacks, in tournaments, small stacks tend to play more aggressively for the
very reason that they have small stacks. Almost every book on tournament
poker ever written advises short stacks to play more aggressively.
Big stacks are the same, they feel they can make calls with weaker cards
just for the chance to knock someone out, because they know they can't get
eliminated themselves. Dan Harrington, WSOP Main Event champion in 1995,
recommends in his tournament books that big stacks should call with any two
cards if the short stack is only 10% of the big stack's chips. Whether you
agree or disagree with this advice doesn't really matter. The point is,
there are players out there who will make loose calls with big stacks, and
yes, those big stacks will sometimes catch the miracle cards to eliminate
small stacks.
However that is just the nature of tournament poker. It does not mean the
PokerStars software is favouring big stacks... it is an example of you
looking for a "pattern" to explain bad beats. It is simple human nature that
we look for patterns in things in order to explain them... even where no
patterns exist we think we can find them!
Poker is one such example. Poker is a random game in which a very high range
of results is possible. What this means is that even if you're a good
player, results are not consistent and cannot be predicted (no matter how
hard anyone tries). Good football teams win on a consistent basis when they
play well, but good poker players can play well and still have losing days,
weeks, and sometimes even months! Of course this works in reverse too, you
can have winning streaks also, but this shows randomness (sometimes referred
to as "luck") can play a big part in whether we win or lose at poker.
Returning to the patterns discussion, there are no patterns in poker
results, but that doesn't mean players think they can't find them. It is not
possible to explain anything that is truly random (like poker). Players lose
hands because they either played the hand badly or they played it well and
were just unlucky and got outdrawn.
The fact is, our software produces a shuffle that is completely random,
which favors no player over any other. The methods we use ensure complete
randomization of the cards, and complete unpredictability of the cards to
come. You can see the description of these methods at:
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/
In addition, we analyse hands dealt daily to see if there is any
statistically significant variance from expectation.
We even gave the software source code to two independent analysis companies,
BMM International and Cigital, who reviewed PokerStars' shuffle and found it
to be fair and random. You may read about these analyses at:
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/rng/
We have dealt over 36 billion hands, and have freely given out individual
real money hand histories any time somebody has requested them. Not once has
anybody found any indication that our shuffle is not 100% random, and many
who have undertaken such studies have posted their findings to the Internet.
You can find two of them here:
http://tinyurl.com/4lfeg
http://tinyurl.com/2nvav
I hope this information helps you to understand that PokerStars' games are
fair. We value all of our players, and take the integrity of our site very
seriously.
Regards,
Sebastian P
PokerStars Support Team
I am sorry to hear that you have not been enjoying your online poker
experience lately. As a poker player myself, I know only too well the
frustration of being sucked out. I, too have had sessions where bad luck has
appeared to dog my every move. At times like these it can be easy to start
believing that there is more against you than just luck. However, the truth
is that we only facilitate the game by dealing the cards in a fair, honest
and random manner.
We do not favor one player over another nor can we manipulate the deal to
select a winner for any and every hand dealt online. We run nothing less
than a fair and honest game and although sometimes it may feel as though the
cards are "stacked" against you, it's explained simply by the variance and
statistics of the game ironing themselves out.
Regarding the comment you made about big stacks being favoured to beat small
stacks, in tournaments, small stacks tend to play more aggressively for the
very reason that they have small stacks. Almost every book on tournament
poker ever written advises short stacks to play more aggressively.
Big stacks are the same, they feel they can make calls with weaker cards
just for the chance to knock someone out, because they know they can't get
eliminated themselves. Dan Harrington, WSOP Main Event champion in 1995,
recommends in his tournament books that big stacks should call with any two
cards if the short stack is only 10% of the big stack's chips. Whether you
agree or disagree with this advice doesn't really matter. The point is,
there are players out there who will make loose calls with big stacks, and
yes, those big stacks will sometimes catch the miracle cards to eliminate
small stacks.
However that is just the nature of tournament poker. It does not mean the
PokerStars software is favouring big stacks... it is an example of you
looking for a "pattern" to explain bad beats. It is simple human nature that
we look for patterns in things in order to explain them... even where no
patterns exist we think we can find them!
Poker is one such example. Poker is a random game in which a very high range
of results is possible. What this means is that even if you're a good
player, results are not consistent and cannot be predicted (no matter how
hard anyone tries). Good football teams win on a consistent basis when they
play well, but good poker players can play well and still have losing days,
weeks, and sometimes even months! Of course this works in reverse too, you
can have winning streaks also, but this shows randomness (sometimes referred
to as "luck") can play a big part in whether we win or lose at poker.
Returning to the patterns discussion, there are no patterns in poker
results, but that doesn't mean players think they can't find them. It is not
possible to explain anything that is truly random (like poker). Players lose
hands because they either played the hand badly or they played it well and
were just unlucky and got outdrawn.
The fact is, our software produces a shuffle that is completely random,
which favors no player over any other. The methods we use ensure complete
randomization of the cards, and complete unpredictability of the cards to
come. You can see the description of these methods at:
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/
In addition, we analyse hands dealt daily to see if there is any
statistically significant variance from expectation.
We even gave the software source code to two independent analysis companies,
BMM International and Cigital, who reviewed PokerStars' shuffle and found it
to be fair and random. You may read about these analyses at:
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/rng/
We have dealt over 36 billion hands, and have freely given out individual
real money hand histories any time somebody has requested them. Not once has
anybody found any indication that our shuffle is not 100% random, and many
who have undertaken such studies have posted their findings to the Internet.
You can find two of them here:
http://tinyurl.com/4lfeg
http://tinyurl.com/2nvav
I hope this information helps you to understand that PokerStars' games are
fair. We value all of our players, and take the integrity of our site very
seriously.
Regards,
Sebastian P
PokerStars Support Team
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Thank you again for your email to PokerStars.
Now I will not lie to you, that *is* a terrible beat. It has happened to me
before on a number of occasions, and it will happen to me again. It will
happen to you again if you play poker long enough - that is just the way
the game works. As harsh of a reality as it is, beats like this happen -
you have to learn to take them in your stride.
The nature of tournaments is that if you are a strong player, getting your
money all-in when ahead, you will often be eliminated with the best starting
hand.
Let us take an example event where you are only ever all-in three times in
the event, and every time as a 70% favorite. Sound like a great proposition?
Unfortunately not! Losing any one of those hands eliminates you so you need
to win all three. What are the chances of winning all three of them? It is
about 34%. That means you are a very big underdog to actually stay in that
event. While you may be a favourite in each individual hand in the context
of the tournament as a whole you need to get lucky to stay in. And that is a
favourable example, where you are a big favourite in every hand. Throw a
couple of coin-flips in there (your pocket pair vs. an opponent's over-cards
for example) and the winning percentage drops dramatically.
This is why tournament players experience long losing streaks. You do have
to get lucky to win, even if you hold the best starting hand every time. All
you can do is try and get your money in when you are ahead and hope that it
holds up. If it does not, well, that is just poker; and it happens to every
single player on our site. Everyone is subject to short-term variance, you
need to continue to play your best game at all times and your results will
reflect this.
If you are still concerned about PokerStars' games, why don't you examine
your results yourself? You can actually request your full hand history from
us and input it into some independent poker analysis software, such as
PokerTracker, PokerOffice, or Hold'em Manager (you can download free trials
if you wish). These programs can then show you easy-to-read reports covering
all your results, plus a large number of other statistics on the hands you
have been dealt, your play, and the play of your opponents. If you do this,
we know you will find that PokerStars deals a fair game.
If there is anything else we can do for you, please let us know and we will
be glad to help you.
Regards,
Lawrence
PokerStars Support Team
Now I will not lie to you, that *is* a terrible beat. It has happened to me
before on a number of occasions, and it will happen to me again. It will
happen to you again if you play poker long enough - that is just the way
the game works. As harsh of a reality as it is, beats like this happen -
you have to learn to take them in your stride.
The nature of tournaments is that if you are a strong player, getting your
money all-in when ahead, you will often be eliminated with the best starting
hand.
Let us take an example event where you are only ever all-in three times in
the event, and every time as a 70% favorite. Sound like a great proposition?
Unfortunately not! Losing any one of those hands eliminates you so you need
to win all three. What are the chances of winning all three of them? It is
about 34%. That means you are a very big underdog to actually stay in that
event. While you may be a favourite in each individual hand in the context
of the tournament as a whole you need to get lucky to stay in. And that is a
favourable example, where you are a big favourite in every hand. Throw a
couple of coin-flips in there (your pocket pair vs. an opponent's over-cards
for example) and the winning percentage drops dramatically.
This is why tournament players experience long losing streaks. You do have
to get lucky to win, even if you hold the best starting hand every time. All
you can do is try and get your money in when you are ahead and hope that it
holds up. If it does not, well, that is just poker; and it happens to every
single player on our site. Everyone is subject to short-term variance, you
need to continue to play your best game at all times and your results will
reflect this.
If you are still concerned about PokerStars' games, why don't you examine
your results yourself? You can actually request your full hand history from
us and input it into some independent poker analysis software, such as
PokerTracker, PokerOffice, or Hold'em Manager (you can download free trials
if you wish). These programs can then show you easy-to-read reports covering
all your results, plus a large number of other statistics on the hands you
have been dealt, your play, and the play of your opponents. If you do this,
we know you will find that PokerStars deals a fair game.
If there is anything else we can do for you, please let us know and we will
be glad to help you.
Regards,
Lawrence
PokerStars Support Team
Verkade vara custom made för mig...men så är det säkert inte.
