Ja, om du menar att bitcoin löser problemet med att kringgå regler för penningtvätt så har du helt rätt!
Japp, analogt med hur Internet gjorde styrningen av vilken information vi hade rätt att ta del av ovidkommande. Till exempel har vi Flashback, trots att vi inte fick det!
Fascinerande med ett exempel på en så världsfrånvänd människa som dig. On top of my head kan jag komma på två personer som fått sina bankkonton godtyckligt avstängda: Kanye West och Daniel Friberg.
Du har förstått alltihopa helt fel.
Det banker inte får neka en, så länge man följer de regler som finns pga lagar kring penningtvätt och dylikt, är ett transaktionskonto med tillhörande bankkort (och motsvarande tjänster).
Det Kanye hade med JP Morgan var någon affärsmässig relation där de förvaltade hans stora förmögenhet förmodligen i utbyte mot den publicitet som han medför. Något som de såklart inte var intresserade av längre när han flippade. Det har absolut inte hänt att en bank har avslutat Kanyes vanliga transaktionskonto och sagt att han får klara sig med kontanter i butik hädanefter.
Daniel Fribergs konto stängdes, vad det verkar, också av pga att han inte följde reglerna för KYC/AML (oavsett vad foliehattar på Nordfront säger).
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Japp, analogt med hur Internet gjorde styrningen av vilken information vi hade rätt att ta del av ovidkommande. Till exempel har vi Flashback, trots att vi inte fick det!
Det är nog inga andra än ekobrottslingar som du som tycker att detta är någonting önskvärt.
Two years ago, BitChute became the target of an activist group that attempted to shut us down by pressuring our suppliers. As a result, we lost some server hosting, our office space, and other suppliers. We also lost our bank account with HSBC. A bank account we had held in good standing and without any issues since we launched in 2017.
We initially tried to open a new account with a different bank and transfer our money. However, the new bank rejected us just as the funds had reached them. Our money was returned to HSBC, but we could no longer access it, and even today, we still have not retrieved our money from HSBC.
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Ja, om du menar att bitcoin löser problemet med att kringgå regler för penningtvätt så har du helt rätt!
En nästan komisk aspekt på dagens regler om penningtvätt är att det är banker, dvs. de som begår nästan all riktig, klassisk penningtvätt (att göra olagligt förvärvade pengar vita), som ska överse att Svensson inte begår någon "penningtvätt" genom att till exempel sätta in ett par tusen kronor på banken utan att kunna redovisa med kvitton var pengarna kommer ifrån.
Här är lite information om den bank, HSBC, som har fryst bankkontot för Bitchute:
Money laundering
In both 2003 and 2010, U.S. regulators ordered HSBC to strengthen its anti-money laundering practices.[151] In October 2010, the United States OCC issued a Cease and Desist Order requiring HSBC to strengthen multiple aspects of its Anti-Money Laundering (AML) program. The identified problems included a once massive backlog of over 17,000 alerts identifying suspicious activity, failure to file timely suspicious activity reports with U.S. law enforcement, failure to conduct any due diligence to assess risks to HSBC affiliates before opening correspondent accounts for them, a three-year failure by HBUS from mid-2006 to mid-2009 to conduct any AML of $15 billion in bulk cash transactions from those same HSBC affiliates, failure to monitor $60 trillion in annual wire transfers by customers in countries rated lower risk by HBUS, and inadequate and unqualified AML staffing, resources, and leadership. It was noted that HSBC fully cooperated with the Senate investigation.[152]
In 2012, HSBC was fined by $14 million by Argentina for failure to report suspicious transactions in the country in 2008.[153]
On 19 July 2012, India investigated alleged violation of safety compliance, in which Indian employees were believed to be involved.[154] On 9 November 2012, Indian activist and politician Arvind Kejriwal said he had details of 700 Indian bank accounts hiding black money with a total value of ₹60 billion (US$750 million) with HSBC in Geneva.[155] In June 2013, a media outlet in India did an undercover expose where HSBC officers were caught on camera agreeing to launder "black money." HSBC placed these employees on leave pending their own internal investigation.[156]
In November 2012, it was reported that HSBC had set up offshore accounts in Jersey for suspected drug-dealers and other criminals, and that HM Revenue and Customs had launched an investigation following a whistle blower leaking details of £700 million allegedly held in HSBC accounts in the Crown dependency.[157]
Following search warrants and raids beginning in January 2013, in mid-March 2013 Argentina's main taxing authority accused HSBC of using fake receipts and dummy accounts to facilitate money laundering and tax evasion.[158][159][160]
In early February 2013, appearing before UK's Parliamentary Banking Standards Commission, CEO Stuart Gulliver acknowledged that the structure of the bank had been "not fit for purpose." He also stated, "Matters that should have been shared and escalated were not shared and escalated."[161] HSBC has also been accused of laundering money for terrorist groups.[161][162]
In June 2015, HSBC was fined by the Geneva authorities after an investigation into money laundering within its Swiss subsidiary. The fine was 40 million Swiss Francs.[163]
In 2018, HSBC was fined 15 million rand by South Africa's central bank for weaknesses in its processes meant to detect money laundering and terrorism financing, though it also added that HSBC was not found to have facilitated any transactions involving money laundering or the financing of terrorism in South Africa.[164]
In 2020, HSBC told AUSTRAC that it may have broken Australia's anti money laundering and counter-terrorism laws after allegedly failing to report thousands of transactions to AUSTRAC.[165][166]
In July 2021, HSBC disclosed that in 2016 it discovered a suspected money laundering network that received $4.2 billion worth of payments which has raised questions over whether it disclosed this appropriately to US monitors as the bank was still under probation by U.S. authorities over anti-money laundering concerns.[167][168]
In December 2021, HSBC was fined 64 million pounds ($85 million) by British regulators for failings in its anti-money laundering processes spanning eight years.[169]
US Senate investigation (2012)
In July 2012, a US Senate committee issued a report[170] which stated that HSBC had been in breach of money-laundering rules, and had assisted Iran and North Korea to circumvent US nuclear-weapons sanctions.[171][172]
In December 2012, Assistant U.S. Attorney General Lanny Breuer suggested that the U.S. government might resist criminal prosecution of HSBC which could lead to the loss of the bank's U.S. charter. He stated, "Our goal here is not to bring HSBC down, it's not to cause a systemic effect on the economy, it's not for people to lose thousands of jobs."[151]
In December 2012, HSBC was penalised $1.9 billion (US), the largest fine under the Bank Secrecy Act, for violating four U.S. laws designed to protect the U.S. financial system.[173] HSBC had allegedly laundered at least $881 million in drugs proceeds through the U.S. financial system for international cartels, as well as processing an additional $660 million for banks in US sanctioned countries. According to the report, "The U.S. bank subsidiary [also] failed to monitor more than $670 billion in wire transfers and more than $9.4 billion in purchases of physical dollars from its Mexico unit."[173] As part of the agreement deferring its prosecution, HSBC acknowledged that for years it had ignored warning signs that drug cartels in Mexico were using its branches to launder millions of dollars, and also acknowledged that HSBC's international staff had stripped identifying information on transactions made through the United States from countries facing economic sanctions such as Iran and Sudan.[151]
A December 2012 CNNMoney article compared the 1.9 billion dollar fine to HSBC's profit "last year" (2011) of 16.8 billion.[151]
In 2016, HSBC was sued by Mexican families involved in deaths by organized-crime gangs for processing funds ("money laundering") for the Sinaloa cartel.[174]
FinCEN Files (2020)
The FinCEN Files showed that HSBC continued to serve alleged criminals and corporations involved in government corruption, including $292 million for the Waked Family company Viva Panama between 2010 and 2016 before the United States Department of the Treasury declared it a drug money-laundering organization. HSBC's activities took place while the bank was under probation from the U.S. government; six former HSBC employees reported to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists that the a deferred prosecution agreement for HSBC marked a "cultural shift" in the organization toward profit-making motives. Employees working in compliance at HSBC also expressed concern to Buzzfeed about what they felt were inadequate efforts to combat money laundering, including hasty investigations and unachievable internal investigation quotas.[175][176] In response to the report HSBC said it is "continually seeking ways to improve" its financial crime compliance regime.[177]
En nästan komisk aspekt på dagens regler om penningtvätt är att det är banker, dvs. de som begår nästan all riktig, klassisk penningtvätt (att göra olagligt förvärvade pengar vita), som ska överse att Svensson inte begår någon "penningtvätt" genom att till exempel sätta in ett par tusen kronor på banken utan att kunna redovisa med kvitton var pengarna kommer ifrån.
Här är lite information om den bank, HSBC, som har fryst bankkontot för Bitchute:
Money laundering
In both 2003 and 2010, U.S. regulators ordered HSBC to strengthen its anti-money laundering practices.[151] In October 2010, the United States OCC issued a Cease and Desist Order requiring HSBC to strengthen multiple aspects of its Anti-Money Laundering (AML) program. The identified problems included a once massive backlog of over 17,000 alerts identifying suspicious activity, failure to file timely suspicious activity reports with U.S. law enforcement, failure to conduct any due diligence to assess risks to HSBC affiliates before opening correspondent accounts for them, a three-year failure by HBUS from mid-2006 to mid-2009 to conduct any AML of $15 billion in bulk cash transactions from those same HSBC affiliates, failure to monitor $60 trillion in annual wire transfers by customers in countries rated lower risk by HBUS, and inadequate and unqualified AML staffing, resources, and leadership. It was noted that HSBC fully cooperated with the Senate investigation.[152]
In 2012, HSBC was fined by $14 million by Argentina for failure to report suspicious transactions in the country in 2008.[153]
On 19 July 2012, India investigated alleged violation of safety compliance, in which Indian employees were believed to be involved.[154] On 9 November 2012, Indian activist and politician Arvind Kejriwal said he had details of 700 Indian bank accounts hiding black money with a total value of ₹60 billion (US$750 million) with HSBC in Geneva.[155] In June 2013, a media outlet in India did an undercover expose where HSBC officers were caught on camera agreeing to launder "black money." HSBC placed these employees on leave pending their own internal investigation.[156]
In November 2012, it was reported that HSBC had set up offshore accounts in Jersey for suspected drug-dealers and other criminals, and that HM Revenue and Customs had launched an investigation following a whistle blower leaking details of £700 million allegedly held in HSBC accounts in the Crown dependency.[157]
Following search warrants and raids beginning in January 2013, in mid-March 2013 Argentina's main taxing authority accused HSBC of using fake receipts and dummy accounts to facilitate money laundering and tax evasion.[158][159][160]
In early February 2013, appearing before UK's Parliamentary Banking Standards Commission, CEO Stuart Gulliver acknowledged that the structure of the bank had been "not fit for purpose." He also stated, "Matters that should have been shared and escalated were not shared and escalated."[161] HSBC has also been accused of laundering money for terrorist groups.[161][162]
In June 2015, HSBC was fined by the Geneva authorities after an investigation into money laundering within its Swiss subsidiary. The fine was 40 million Swiss Francs.[163]
In 2018, HSBC was fined 15 million rand by South Africa's central bank for weaknesses in its processes meant to detect money laundering and terrorism financing, though it also added that HSBC was not found to have facilitated any transactions involving money laundering or the financing of terrorism in South Africa.[164]
In 2020, HSBC told AUSTRAC that it may have broken Australia's anti money laundering and counter-terrorism laws after allegedly failing to report thousands of transactions to AUSTRAC.[165][166]
In July 2021, HSBC disclosed that in 2016 it discovered a suspected money laundering network that received $4.2 billion worth of payments which has raised questions over whether it disclosed this appropriately to US monitors as the bank was still under probation by U.S. authorities over anti-money laundering concerns.[167][168]
In December 2021, HSBC was fined 64 million pounds ($85 million) by British regulators for failings in its anti-money laundering processes spanning eight years.[169]
US Senate investigation (2012)
In July 2012, a US Senate committee issued a report[170] which stated that HSBC had been in breach of money-laundering rules, and had assisted Iran and North Korea to circumvent US nuclear-weapons sanctions.[171][172]
In December 2012, Assistant U.S. Attorney General Lanny Breuer suggested that the U.S. government might resist criminal prosecution of HSBC which could lead to the loss of the bank's U.S. charter. He stated, "Our goal here is not to bring HSBC down, it's not to cause a systemic effect on the economy, it's not for people to lose thousands of jobs."[151]
In December 2012, HSBC was penalised $1.9 billion (US), the largest fine under the Bank Secrecy Act, for violating four U.S. laws designed to protect the U.S. financial system.[173] HSBC had allegedly laundered at least $881 million in drugs proceeds through the U.S. financial system for international cartels, as well as processing an additional $660 million for banks in US sanctioned countries. According to the report, "The U.S. bank subsidiary [also] failed to monitor more than $670 billion in wire transfers and more than $9.4 billion in purchases of physical dollars from its Mexico unit."[173] As part of the agreement deferring its prosecution, HSBC acknowledged that for years it had ignored warning signs that drug cartels in Mexico were using its branches to launder millions of dollars, and also acknowledged that HSBC's international staff had stripped identifying information on transactions made through the United States from countries facing economic sanctions such as Iran and Sudan.[151]
A December 2012 CNNMoney article compared the 1.9 billion dollar fine to HSBC's profit "last year" (2011) of 16.8 billion.[151]
In 2016, HSBC was sued by Mexican families involved in deaths by organized-crime gangs for processing funds ("money laundering") for the Sinaloa cartel.[174]
FinCEN Files (2020)
The FinCEN Files showed that HSBC continued to serve alleged criminals and corporations involved in government corruption, including $292 million for the Waked Family company Viva Panama between 2010 and 2016 before the United States Department of the Treasury declared it a drug money-laundering organization. HSBC's activities took place while the bank was under probation from the U.S. government; six former HSBC employees reported to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists that the a deferred prosecution agreement for HSBC marked a "cultural shift" in the organization toward profit-making motives. Employees working in compliance at HSBC also expressed concern to Buzzfeed about what they felt were inadequate efforts to combat money laundering, including hasty investigations and unachievable internal investigation quotas.[175][176] In response to the report HSBC said it is "continually seeking ways to improve" its financial crime compliance regime.[177]
Tala om att låta räven vakta hönsen!
Men du borde ju tycka att det här är någonting positivt eftersom du förespråkar penningtvätt?
Det är nog inga andra än ekobrottslingar som du som tycker att detta är någonting önskvärt.
Ekobrottslingar ska förstås dömas i domstol för ekobrott. Det vi talar om här är banktjänstemäns rätt och skyldighet att enligt nypåhittade regler och utan någon domstolsprocess stänga av privatpersoners eller organisationers konton så snart de inte förstår transaktionerna.
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Senast redigerad av Stopp.Belagg 2022-12-14 kl. 13:56.
Men du borde ju tycka att det här är någonting positivt eftersom du förespråkar penningtvätt?
HSBC är en kriminell organisation, dömd för penningtvätt, och samarbetande med drogkarteller och liknande. Bitchute däremot har har fått sina bankkonton frusna utan att ha dömts för några oegentligheter. Troligen är de inte ens åtalade för något brott.
Samma sak gällde mitt bankkonto. Jag har aldrig dömts eller åtalats för penningtvätt, i bjärt kontrast till banken som stängde ner kontot.
Med bitcoin finns fortfarande en möjlighet att dömas för ekobrott. Men man kan aldrig stängas av från sin bitcoinadress i förebyggande syfte av en trögtänkt banktjänsteman.
HSBC är en kriminell organisation, dömd för penningtvätt, och samarbetande med drogkarteller och liknande. Bitchute däremot har har fått sina bankkonton frusna utan att ha dömts för några oegentligheter. Troligen är de inte ens åtalade för något brott.
Samma sak gällde mitt bankkonto. Jag har aldrig dömts eller åtalats för penningtvätt, i bjärt kontrast till banken som stängde ner kontot.
Med bitcoin finns fortfarande en möjlighet att dömas för ekobrott. Men man kan aldrig stängas av från sin bitcoinadress i förebyggande syfte av en trögtänkt banktjänsteman.
Vad HSBC har gjort eller inte har gjort är ovidkommande. Du får sluta skriva så mycket off topic. Men det är konstigt att du tycker de är kriminella samtidigt som du förespråkar penningtvätt och borttagande av regleringar som rör detta.
Du får hursomhelst inte dina konton frysta om du följer KYC/AML och motsvarande regleringar. Det är uppenbart att Bitchute inte har gjort det i så fall.
Vad HSBC har gjort eller inte har gjort är ovidkommande. Du får sluta skriva så mycket off topic. Men det är konstigt att du tycker de är kriminella samtidigt som du förespråkar penningtvätt och borttagande av dylika regleringar.
Du får hursomhelst inte dina konton frysta om du följer KYC/AML och motsvarande regleringar. Det är uppenbart att Bitchute inte har gjort det i så fall.
Ja, banker gör aldrig några misstag.
Gå till en annan forumdel om du vill diskutera penningtvätt och banktjänstemännens oförvitlighet.
Men vi kan i alla fall enas om att bitcoin fixar problemet med att folk stängs av godtyckligt från sina bankkonton och att Bitchute inte hade fått några tillgångar frusna om de hade haft dem på en bitcoinadress i stället för på bankkontot.
Men vi kan i alla fall enas om att bitcoin fixar problemet med att folk stängs av godtyckligt från sina bankkonton och att Bitchute inte hade fått några tillgångar frusna om de hade haft dem på en bitcoinadress i stället för på bankkontot.
Det är i praktiken inte ett problem så som du har formulerat det. Du ljuger först om vad banker gör och inte gör, och ställer sedan upp en felaktig problemformulering utifrån detta (som bitcoin ska "lösa").
Det är dumheter.
Som sagt så är det absolut så att bitcoin "löser" problemet med att tvätta pengar och undvika skatt vid olika typer av transaktioner. Dock är det inte några seriösa debattörer som tycker att detta är någonting önskvärt.
Det är i praktiken inte ett problem så som du har formulerat det. Du ljuger först om vad banker gör och inte gör, och ställer sedan upp en felaktig problemformulering utifrån detta (som bitcoin ska "lösa").
Det är dumheter.
Som sagt så är det absolut så att bitcoin "löser" problemet med att tvätta pengar och undvika skatt vid olika typer av transaktioner. Dock är det inte några seriösa debattörer som tycker att detta är någonting önskvärt.
Som vi båda vet är det bankerna som står för i princip all penningtvätt.
Det bitcoin fixar är problemet att man kan bli avstängd från sitt bankkonto utan att ha dömts för några oegentligheter.
Från gårdagens hearing. Tom Emmer, kongressledamot (REP), poängterar att FTX debaclet är ett problem med centralisering, vilket är precis det som Bitcoin löser.
Ja, banker gör aldrig några misstag.