”I manuskriptet till det tal som Kennedy hade tänkt att hålla på Dallas Trade Mart direkt efter bilkortegen den 22 november 1963 deklarerade han att amerikanska trupper skulle sättas in i Vietnam om situationen så krävde.”Nej, någon sådan deklaration finns inte det talet.
---Utdrag från: Bengt Liljegren. ”John F. Kennedy”. Apple Books.
”Den nya ordern, NSAM 273, som Johnson signerade den 26 november 1963, bekräftade den tidigare ordern NSAM 263, som Kennedy hade utfärdat en månad tidigare. [i.] I denna fastslogs att man skulle ta hem 1 000 av de sammanlagt 16 500 amerikanska militärerna i Vietnam. [ii.] Innehållet i den nya ordern var heller inte obekant för Kennedy. Den hade formulerats av säkerhetsrådgivaren McGeorge Bundy medan presidenten ännu var i livet”i. Nej, NSAM 273 bekräftade ingalunda JFKs NSAM 263. Tvärtom så innehöll NSAM 273 öppningen för OPLAN 34A och som skulle leda fram till "Tonkin-intermetzot" och starten på USAs deltagande i Vietnamkriget.
Utdrag från: Bengt Liljegren. ”John F. Kennedy”. Apple Books.
When McGeorge Bundy returned from this meeting, Johnson was in the White House. His NSAM 273, written for Kennedy, was altered by the new president. Johnson’s revised version allowed expanded operations into Laos and Cambodia. The withdrawal plan was more or less neutralized and it granted the vision of OPLAN 34 that Taylor wanted: using American assets, not just Saigon’s. Therefore, coastal raids were allowed with American speedboats and some personnel, accompanied by American destroyers fitted with high tech radar and communications gear. The American aspect is what Johnson altered in these coastline operations, as the South Vietnam navy could not have performed these any time soon. (Newman, pp. 443, 456–7) These essentially American patrols/provocations led to the Tonkin Gulf incident in August, which—misrepresented by the White House—was used for a declaration of war by the USA.
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/john-newman-s-jfk-and-vietnam-2017-version
JFK might have approved that language but he never had a chance to see it. Two days later, while Kennedy’s body lay in state in the Capitol Rotunda, President Johnson ordered Bundy to completely strike paragraph seven and rewrite it to allow direct American military attacks against North Vietnam.
---John Newman: https://jfkjmn.com/new-page-36/
February 20, 1964:Så, jo, LBJ vände JFKs vietnampolitik 180° redan två dygn efter mordet och han förklarar själv varför han gör det i telefonsamtalet med McNamara här ovan.
President Lyndon Johnson: Hello, Bob?
Robert McNamara: Yes, Mr. President.
President Johnson: I hate to modify your speech any because it's been a good one, but I just wonder if we should find two minutes in there for Vietnam.
Robert McNamara: Yeah, the problem is what to say about it.
President Johnson: I'll tell you what I would say about it. I would say that we have a commitment to Vietnamese freedom. We could pull out of there, the dominoes would fall, and that part of the world would go to the Communists. We could send our Marines in there, and we could get tied down in a Third World War or another Korean action. Nobody really understands what it is out there. They're asking questions and saying why don't we do more. Well, I think this: you can have more war or more appeasement. But we don't want more of either. Our purpose is to train these people [the South Vietnamese] and our trainin's goin' good.
Robert McNamara: Alright, sir, I'll-
President Johnson: I always thought it was foolish for you to make any statements about withdrawing. I thought it was bad psychologically. But you and the president thought otherwise, and I just sat silent.
Robert McNamara: The problem is-
President Johnson: Then come the questions: how in the hell does McNamara think, when he's losing a war, he can pull men out of there?
---James Blight, Virtual JFK, p. 310
”Istället hade kanske eftervärldens syn på Kennedy präglats av att han satte igång Vietnamkriget, ljög om sina hälsoproblem och var en man utan sexuella spärrar.”Han hävdar således i samma andetag att Kennedy ljög om sin "Addison disease", att Kennedy hade ett vidlyftigt sexliv och att han, "satte igång Vietnamkriget".
Utdrag från: Bengt Liljegren. ”John F. Kennedy”. Apple Books.
”Inget i det historiska källmaterialet talar för att Kennedy hade för avsikt att trappa ner USA:s engagemang eller dra sig ur Vietnam.”Dvs, Liljegren menar att om JFK inte hade mördats så hade han gjort precis som sin efterträdare LBJ, "startat Vietnamkriget" = intervenerat militärt i den pågående konflikten i Sydvietnam.
---Utdrag från: Bengt Liljegren. ”John F. Kennedy”. Apple Books.
”Istället hade kanske eftervärldens syn på Kennedy präglats av att han satte igång Vietnamkriget, ljög om sina hälsoproblem och var en man utan sexuella spärrar.”Vilket sammantaget måste innebära att Liljegren är av uppfattningen att JFK "satte igång Vietnamkriget".
Utdrag från: Bengt Liljegren. ”John F. Kennedy”. Apple Books.
- Att JFK "ljög om sina hälsoproblem" (Addisons desease") = fakta.Självklart så ger både kontext och det han skriver på andra ställen att han har uppfattningen att JFK "satte igång Vietnamkriget".
- Att JFK var "en man utan [normala] sexuella spärrar" = fakta.
- Att JFK "satte igång Vietnamkriget" = eh.....?
i. Grisbukten.Dvs, han hade t.ex. två ypperliga tillfällen att ge order om amerikansk militär intervention på Castros Kuba, några sjömil söder om Florida, men vägrade, trots ett massivt tryck.
ii. Laos.
iii. Vietnam (1).
iv. Berlin.
vi. Kubakrisen.
v. Vietnam (2).
"Det går naturligtvis inte att veta om Kennedy hade låtit kriget skena
iväg på det sätt som senare skedde under president Johnson."
"Vi får aldrig veta hur eftervärlden skulle ha betraktat Kennedy om
ha överlevt attentatet och valts tll en andra period i Vita Huset."
MALCOLM BLUNT: But there's enough meat left in the Saxon [Comptroller of Currency] files to indicate how radical Kennedy was in relation – JFK was – in relation to really…Blunt är den i dag ledande arkivforskaren bland de som forskar på JFK-mordet. Ytterst lågmäld och tillbakadragen = förmodligen ingen rök utan eld.
ALAN DALE: The entrenched banking establishment.
MALCOLM BLUNT: The – including the Federal Reserve. Completely – a complete overhaul.
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MALCOLM BLUNT: You're the Federal Reserve.
ALAN DALE: Right!
MALCOLM BLUNT: You have four thousand six hundred banks under your control…
ALAN DALE: Mmhmm.
MALCOLM BLUNT: …and Kennedy comes along to you and says: I'm sorry, we're taking those four thousand six hundred banks, and they're being under the control of the Comptroller of Currency.
ALAN DALE: Imagine that.
MALCOLM BLUNT: Imagine that.
ALAN DALE: Mm.
MALCOLM BLUNT: What are you going to do in the Federal Reserve? You going to be happy?
ALAN DALE: You're going to say: Yes, sir, Mr. President!
MALCOLM BLUNT: Somebody said to me: Well, what difference does it make? The difference it makes is that you can have your own economic policy. If you want to inject money into the economy through those four thousand six hundred banks, you can do it. When they're with the Federal Reserve, they're in charge.
ALAN DALE: Right.
MALCOLM BLUNT: Massive, massive, massive change.
(Dale, Alan; Blunt, Malcolm. The Devil is in the Details: Alan Dale with Malcolm Blunt on the Assassination of President Kennedy (p. 328). Kindle Edition.)
Således ska inget formellt uttalande göras om att dra tillbaka någon militär personal. Varken de 1000 eller de 16000 som du påstår ovan.
The President approved the military recommendations contained in Section I B (1 -3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.
General Hawkins ska tillsammans med Diem gå igenom de militära förändringar som är nödvändiga för att avsluta den militära kampanjen 1964 i vissa områden och 1965 i andra områden.
B. Recommendations.
We recommend that:
1. General Harkins review with Diem the military changes necessary to complete the military campaign in the Northern and Central areas (I, II, and III Corps) by the end of 1964, and in the Delta (IV Corps) by the end of 1965. This review would consider the need for such changes as:
Essentiella militära funktioner som nu utförs av amerikansk militär ska utföras av Vietnameser. Ett utbildningsprogram ska etableras, tydligen fanns det inget sådant (host...host), så att Vietnameserna kan överta dessa funktioner i slutet av 1965.
2. A program be established to train Vietnamese so that essential functions now performed by U.S. military personnel can be carried out by Vietnamese by the end of 1965. It should be possible to withdraw the bulk of U.S. personnel by that time.
Således ska inget formellt uttalande göras om att dra tillbaka någon militär personal. Varken de 1000 eller de 16000 som du påstår ovan.
The President approved the military recommendations contained in Section I B (1 -3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.
170. Record of Action No. 2472, Taken at the 519th Meeting of the National Security CouncilOch så här hojtar JFK till McNamara när denne går ut för att möta pressen:
Washington, October 2, 1963.
McNAMARA-TAYLOR REPORT ON VIETNAM
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b. Noted the President’s approval of the following statement of U.S. policy which was later released to the press:
“3. Major U.S. assistance in support of this military effort is needed only until the insurgency has been suppressed or until the national security forces of the Government of South Viet Nam are capable of suppressing it.
“Secretary McNamara and General Taylor reported their judgment that the major part of the U.S. military task can be completed by the end of 1965, although there may be a continuing requirement for a limited number of U.S. training personnel. They reported that by the end of this year, the U.S. program for training Vietnamese should have progressed to the point where 1,000 U.S. military personnel assigned to South Viet Nam can be withdrawn.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v04/d170
“that means the helicopter pilots too.”
Newman, John. JFK and Vietnam: Deception, Intrigue, and the Struggle for Power (p. 460). Kindle Edition.
General Hawkins ska tillsammans med Diem gå igenom de militära förändringar som är nödvändiga för att avsluta den militära kampanjen 1964 i vissa områden och 1965 i andra områden.
B. Recommendations.
We recommend that:
1. General Harkins review with Diem the military changes necessary to complete the military campaign in the Northern and Central areas (I, II, and III Corps) by the end of 1964, and in the Delta (IV Corps) by the end of 1965. This review would consider the need for such changes as:
Essentiella militära funktioner som nu utförs av amerikansk militär ska utföras av Vietnameser. Ett utbildningsprogram ska etableras, tydligen fanns det inget sådant (host...host), så att Vietnameserna kan överta dessa funktioner i slutet av 1965. [min fetning]
2. A program be established to train Vietnamese so that essential functions now performed by U.S. military personnel can be carried out by Vietnamese by the end of 1965. It should be possible to withdraw the bulk of U.S. personnel by that time.
Eftersom alla nu har sina 263or framme kan vi ju kika lite närmare på vad som mer står att läsa angående telegramet ovan.
181. Telegram From the Department of State to the Embassy in Vietnam 1
Washington , October 5, 1963—5:39 p.m.
534. Eyes only for Ambassador Lodge.
22. At President's next press conference, he expects to repeat his basic statement that what furthers the war effort we support, and what interferes with the war effort we oppose.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v04/d181
Telegram nr 534 innehåller således instruktioner till ambassadören Lodge, angående NSAM 263.
After discussion of the remaining recommendations of the report, the President approved the instruction to Ambassador Lodge which is set forth in State Department telegram No. 534 to Saigon. McGeorge Bundy
https://irp.fas.org/offdocs/nsam-jfk/nsam-263.htm
NSAM 263 är skapad för att indikera till Diem regimen att USA är missbelåten med dess politik och hur man agerar. President Kennedy vill skapa en betydande osäkerhet angående USA:s framtida intentioner i landet.
1. Following is overall instruction resulting from NSC consideration of McNamara/Taylor report and recommendations together with those you have submitted in recent weeks. These instructions have the President’s personal approval. At any time you feel it is necessary you may state to GVN that you are acting under the specific instructions of the President as recommended by the National Security Council.
2. Actions are designed to indicate to Diem Government our displeasure at its political policies and activities and to create significant uncertainty in that government and in key Vietnamese groups as to future intentions of United States. At same time, actions are designed to have at most slight impact on military or counterinsurgency effort against Viet Cong, at least in short term.
Det är inte möjligt att precisera vilka förbättringar Diem regimen måste genomföra för att president Kennedy ska bli nöjd.
4. We recognize that recommended actions cannot be continued more than a limited period—tentatively estimated at two to four months—before they begin to have substantial impact on counterinsurgency effort. Even within this period, they will require careful and constant evaluation. As they begin to have substantial impact on war effort, further major decisions will be needed.
Med facit i hand vet vi att President Kennedy tillslut föredrog "so that more drastic action should be considered." .
5. It is not possible to specify with precision the criteria that we should use in determining whether this proposed course of action has brought about adequate changes in performance of Diem Government and should, therefore, be modified or withdrawn, or whether on contrary response of the Diem Government is clearly inadequate so that more drastic action should be considered.
181. Telegram From the Department of State to the Embassy in Vietnam 1
Washington , October 5, 1963—5:39 p.m.
534. Eyes only for Ambassador Lodge.
22. At President's next press conference, he expects to repeat his basic statement that what furthers the war effort we support, and what interferes with the war effort we oppose.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v04/d181
Telegram nr 534 innehåller således instruktioner till ambassadören Lodge, angående NSAM 263.
After discussion of the remaining recommendations of the report, the President approved the instruction to Ambassador Lodge which is set forth in State Department telegram No. 534 to Saigon. McGeorge Bundy
https://irp.fas.org/offdocs/nsam-jfk/nsam-263.htm
NSAM 263 är skapad för att indikera till Diem regimen att USA är missbelåten med dess politik och hur man agerar. President Kennedy vill skapa en betydande osäkerhet angående USA:s framtida intentioner i landet.
1. Following is overall instruction resulting from NSC consideration of McNamara/Taylor report and recommendations together with those you have submitted in recent weeks. These instructions have the President’s personal approval. At any time you feel it is necessary you may state to GVN that you are acting under the specific instructions of the President as recommended by the National Security Council.
2. Actions are designed to indicate to Diem Government our displeasure at its political policies and activities and to create significant uncertainty in that government and in key Vietnamese groups as to future intentions of United States. At same time, actions are designed to have at most slight impact on military or counterinsurgency effort against Viet Cong, at least in short term.
Det är inte möjligt att precisera vilka förbättringar Diem regimen måste genomföra för att president Kennedy ska bli nöjd.
4. We recognize that recommended actions cannot be continued more than a limited period—tentatively estimated at two to four months—before they begin to have substantial impact on counterinsurgency effort. Even within this period, they will require careful and constant evaluation. As they begin to have substantial impact on war effort, further major decisions will be needed.
Med facit i hand vet vi att President Kennedy tillslut föredrog "so that more drastic action should be considered." .
5. It is not possible to specify with precision the criteria that we should use in determining whether this proposed course of action has brought about adequate changes in performance of Diem Government and should, therefore, be modified or withdrawn, or whether on contrary response of the Diem Government is clearly inadequate so that more drastic action should be considered.
After Mansfield left the office, the president said to me, “In 1965, I’ll become one of the most unpopular presidents in history. I’ll be damned everywhere as a communist appeaser. But I don’t care. If I tried to pull out completely now from Vietnam, we would have another Joe McCarthy scare on our hands, but I can do it after I’m reelected. So we had better make damned sure that I am reelected.”Dvs, JFK var akut medveten om risken för att han i det kommande presidentvalet (1964) skulle utmålas som "communist appeaser" precis som vad som skedde efter det att Truman "lost China" och att han därför måste balansera på en knivsegg fram till det att han förhoppningsvis blev omvald.
(O’Donnell and Powers, Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye, p. 16)
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