2021-03-26, 04:40
  #6589
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Så du röker på fortfarande? Lägg ner skiten, märker du inte hur illa det är?
Nä jag har aldrig varit någon flummare, jag röker inte ens cigaretter, jag jämförde ett tröttande tillstånd med andras. Jag försöker ofta om långvariga problem , komma på flera förklaringsmodeller, synd inte världen lyssnar på mig mer...
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2021-03-27, 20:45
  #6590
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Intressant allt mer påtaglig trend att 80% av nya videos på Youtube om ämnet i fråga & Targeted Individuals görs av afro-amerikaner. Inte nog med att f.d. NSA-anställd Derrick Robinson som grundade ökända FFCHS för utsatta är afro-amerikan så har vi alla ökända "Gang Stalking"-skjutningar gjorda av måltavlor: Aaron Alexis (2012), Myron May (2014) & Gavin Long (2016).

Vidare är majoriteten av dessa videos inriktade mot religion, Gud, Israel & Bibeln.

Det här är mycket relevant. I mitt egna fall hade jag en afro-amerikan kontakta mig lokalt från ingenstans via Facebook & ville träffas för att få hjälp med att utveckla sin affärsidé. Det här var alltså 2011. Jag gick med att träffas & hjälpa honom vilket jag gjorde. Vi blev vänner & träffades många gånger över flera år i professionella sammanhang. Nu i efterhand vet jag att han blev sannolikt tillsagd att ta kontakt eller så är han med i nätverket i fråga. Förövrigt är han en välutbildad & relativt framgångsrik person som idag sysslar med sociala frågor & icke-vinstdrivande projekt.

Intressant om denna folkgrupp skulle vara med i ett kanske rasistiskt nätverk om det drivs av samma grupp som startade & drev FBI:s COINTELPRO som försökte ta livet av Dr Martin Luther King & "Black Panters" genom liknande medel som måltavlor utsätts för. Å andra sidan vet afro-amerikaner mycket väl hur det är att bli hemligt utsatt för diskriminering, förföljelse & trakasserier ÖPPET av privatpersoner likaså myndigheter & regering så de tror säkerligen på att "Gang Stalking" existerar precis som folk påstår eftersom det har det gjort historiskt.

Är det mer troligt att folk luras på basis eller verkligen tror på om att det är en kult/sekt/order/kyrka som driver det här men i verkliga fallet är det en mycket mer hemlig & ondsint kraft bakom det nätverket & drar i trådarna.

Jag har inte höga förhoppningar här på Flashback - historia & dess insikter verkar inte vara populärt här. De riktigt sofistikerade agenter & måltavlor samt privatindivider som är nyfikna & pålästa finns på Reddit. Det som skrivs på Reddit ibland är skrämmande eftersom det är mycket mer allvarligare & djupt satt i samhället än vad vanligt folk vill inse. Det är skrämmande att inse att världen faktiskt styrs av "topp 1%" (egentligen mer som 0.001%).

Med det här sagt så vill jag tipsa om en intervju med en "Illuminati"-visselblåsare "Svali" från 2006: https://youtu.be/GHNhg1PW1F0 - i slutet nämner programledaren specifikt "Gang Stalking" & att Illuminati bl.a. sysslar med det. Han gick inte in på det däremot är det väldigt intressant att han nämner "Gang Stalking" efter intervjun & Q&A.
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2021-03-29, 00:37
  #6591
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Med det här sagt så vill jag tipsa om en intervju med en "Illuminati"-visselblåsare "Svali" från 2006: https://youtu.be/GHNhg1PW1F0 - i slutet nämner programledaren specifikt "Gang Stalking" & att Illuminati bl.a. sysslar med det. Han gick inte in på det däremot är det väldigt intressant att han nämner "Gang Stalking" efter intervjun & Q&A.

Frimurare nämns i intervjun flera gånger. Frimurare verkar spela en stor roll i hemlig påverkan världen över. Det är en av de största formella nätverk som finns för socialt inflytande & därmed kontroll. Exempelvis är Illuminativisselblåsare Leo Zagami en högrankad frimurare. Ironiskt nog tror dessa personer på allt möjligt - från demoner till utomjordingar. De har tid & resurser att syssla med att påverka personer i samhället. Jag läste på Reddit att alla Frimurare finns i en intern databas som heter "Sentinal" & där rekryteras medlemmarna att ansvara för lokal "Gang Stalking". De ses bl.a. som en kult. Både Dr Horton & Dr Karlstrom har pekat mot frimurare som ansvariga för det här. Frimurare är ryggrad dock bara en del av de "topp 1%" där många wannabes finns & gör allt för de högre uppsatta för att avancera i rankningarna. De i toppen styr wannabes som försöker bevisa att de har vad som krävs genom att delta i oetiska projekt såsom "Gang Stalking".

Boktips: "Bridging the Gap" https://targetedindividualscanada.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/bridgingthegap.pdf - utmärkt & bred introduktion om ämnet. Det är skrivet för längesedan - 2008/2009. Citat:
"Who takes part? People from all walks of life are being recruited to be the eyes and ears of the state. People from all races, ages, genders. Every sector of society that you can think are being asked to become a part of the states spying apparatus. Informants include, but are not limited to: General labourers, the wealthy, bikers, drug dealers, drug users, street people, punks, hip hop culture, KKK, black activists, church groups, youth groups, Fire Fighters, police officers, lawyers, health care workers, store keepers, maids, janitors, cable installers, phone repair persons, mail carriers, locksmiths, electricians, etc. There really are no exceptions, as to who will be used as informants for the government. A recent article came out in the London Telegraph, saying that Children as young as 8 are being employed by the state as Covert human intelligence sources AKA informants. Targeted Individuals often complain that the harassment is being perpetrated by all members of the community including children. Children are being hired and used by the government to spy on their neighbors in the U.K. and being encouraged to photograph or video neighbors guilty of dog fouling, littering or bin crimes The article says there are hundreds of Junior Streetwatchers, aged 8-10 years old, who are trained to identify and report enviro-crime issues such as graffiti and fly-tipping. The adult spies according to authorities are recruited via newspaper ads. Other local authorities recruit adult volunteers through advertisements in local newspapers, with at least 4,841 people already patrolling the streets in their spare time. Some are assigned James Bond-style code numbers, which they use instead of their real names when they ring a special informers hotline. This escalation in Britain's growing surveillance state follows an outcry about the way councils are using powers originally designed to combat terrorism and organized crime to spy on residents. In one case, a family was followed by council staff for almost three weeks after being wrongly accused of breaking rules on school catchment areas. 50 There are many programs in place at all levels of society that allow citizens to be recruited as informants. Some of these citizens might be recruited via programs such as, Citizen Corp, Weed and Seed, Citizens On Phone Patrol, (COPP), City Watch, T.I.P.S. Many citizens start out with good intentions, to help patrol and monitor their cities and neighbourhoods. citizen informants are recruited in a variety of ways. Some via their families, others at school, others at work, other through newspaper ads Since every sector, class, race in society takes part, recruitment is multi-faceted. Many informants do not understand, care, or even realise that the end consequence of this harassment protocol is to destroy a person. They are given orders about monitoring or following a target and they will carry out the instructions that are being provided to them.

Why do individuals become Informants? There are many reasons people become informants. 1. Some do it for the sense of power that it gives them. It's an adventure to be an informant for the state. 2. Others do this as a way to make friends and keep friends. It's something social and fun for them to do. Many in society use the one handed sign language to communicate and it's very effective in breaking down race, gender, age, social barriers. 3. Others are forced, bullied, bribed or blackmailed by the State or the police into taking part. Informants are often used to set up and entrap targets to become informants themselves. 4. They are told that they are part of homeland or national security and being used to help keep and eye on dangerous or emotionally disturbed individuals. They see themselves as heroic spies for the state. 5. Others are just local thugs or Confidential Informants who are already being used for other activities, and their energies are just diverted over into assisting with these community spy programs. Eg. Some may be given the choice of Spying for the State or the police vs going to jail. 6. Others are told outright lies and slander about the target to get them to go along with ruining the targets life. 7. Many are however just average citizens who have been recruited by the state the same way citizens were recruited in the former East Germany and other countries. It's the way the society is. This is why these structures can exist in society today, and even though they are an interlaced part of society they can remain hidden if people are not willing, or wanting to accept their existence and the truth of what that would say about the very fabric of the societies that they inhabit. The people are all then tucked back nicely into their illusions and fairy tales, the system works and you have nothing to worry about, while mounting evidence clearly shows otherwise. This structure is built into the core of society and how society sees itself. To destroy this wall of illusion would be to destroy the fairytale views and beliefs so many hold about their society and themselves. To shatter an illusion so deep rooted and strong, might well send the society in a tale spin. Therefore as long as the illusion or the fairytale continues, many of us are likely to be caught up in this system and the illusions that keep it going."
Kan det här förklara den massiva överrepresentationen av afro-amerikaner i sällskapet om "Gang Stalking":
"In her research on the Informant system, Law Professor Alexandra Natapoff, says that over 50% of some ethnic community males are in touch with the criminal justice system, and therefore under pressure to become Informants. She says that if even 5-8% of these individuals are informants then we might be looking at figures that are greater then what the Stasi had in East Germany. The use of criminal informants in the U.S. justice system has become a flourishing socio-legal institution. Every year, tens of thousands of criminal suspects, many of them drug offenders concentrated in inner-city neighborhoods, informally negotiate away liability in exchange for promised cooperation, while law enforcement at the local, state and federal levels rely on ever greater numbers of criminal actors in making basic decisions about investigations and prosecutions. While this marriage of convenience is fraught with peril, it is nearly devoid of judicial or public scrutiny as to the propriety, fairness, or utility of the deals being struck. At the same time, it is a quintessential expression of some of the most contentious characteristics of the modern criminal system: law enforcement discretion, secrecy, and the increasing informality of the adjudication process. The informant institution is also an under-appreciated social force in low-income, high-crime, urban communities in which a high percentage of residents - as many as fifty percent of African American males in some cities - are in contact with the criminal justice system and therefore potentially under pressure to snitch. By relying heavily on snitching, particularly in drug-related cases, law enforcement officials create large numbers of informants who remain at large in the community, engaging in criminal activities while under pressure to provide information about others. These snitches are a communal liability: they increase crime and threaten social organization, interpersonal relationships, and socio-legal norms in their home communities, even as they are tolerated or under-punished by law enforcement because they are useful."
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2021-03-29, 01:19
  #6592
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Boktips: "Bridging the Gap" https://targetedindividualscanada.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/bridgingthegap.pdf - utmärkt & bred introduktion om ämnet. Det är skrivet för längesedan - 2008/2009.

Vidare:
"Imagine a society where over 50% of your community is a potential informant? Imagine what that does to the heart and soul of a society? Some people don't have to imagine because they have already been through something very similar. As summer travel ebbed, I dove into the study of the informant system, as pertains to those whom the police arrest, then pressure to go back into their places of home and work and set others up for arrest.How many informants do we have in communities? We can't measure it because of this secret system, but experts have some guesses. Because researchers know what is behind the search warrants granted, they know that almost 98% of the time the police don't have any goods on anyone, just a confidential informant. A lot of informing is going on, and it's escalating. So they squeeze these people into rolling on their mother. Our family involved my brother's girlfriend; it was her brother who turned her in, and so we went through this ourselves. And it is hard to try to explain to people this part - people do 20, 30 years and they get through it. Somehow, I don't know how. I've never been to prison, but they get through it, and what dogs them all of the time is this - how could my sister do that to me? How could my friend do this to me? That stays with them. That psychological damage never goes away. And it spreads to everyone in the family, just like anything traumatic does, and you get a bunch of sick people. When I grew up, the Russians were doing it a lot, the informant system throughout all the communities. A person could be hauled off and interrogated and taken off to the ice fields. It terrified me, those Russian people. We studied these communities in Russia after that period because there was a lot of mental illness. Our country went over there to help them with all their crazy people. And do you know what our country found out? Our scientists and doctors went over there and came back and said, It was all those informants. It made them crazy to live among people, and nobody knew who was going to rip them off, or who needed to 'get in good,' or some favor. And so turn someone in, and that person gets hauled off to Siberia. It made people crazy. Well, that's what is happening in our communities now. In addition to confidential Informants that are gained through the legal system many countries have legions of citizen Informants. Average citizens that have been asked or told to become informants via their places of employment or community programs. All these informants work hand in hand, and they are an integral part of the coming global surveillance society that is slowly being implemented across the world.

Many grow up in society and learn through or rather are indoctrinated by the systems that are in place to fall in line and become a part of the status quo. Through education, religion, work, and the media we are taught what the accepted and adhered to values of society should be, and many of us no matter how rebellious we think we are fall within these unseen guidelines. Most people in their lifetimes will never fall out of these unseen lines and so therefore they will never experience, or even have their eyes opened to the realities many of us have had to face. Targets of workplace mobbing, the buzzsaw, Cointelpro and Gang Stalking learn some terrible truths about society, and the world at large that we live in. Truths that you almost have to experience to believe. Many of us like myself believe ourselves to be independent, intelligent individuals, and do not think that we could be lied to, tricked or deceived by our country, yet the research shows that there are many multifascited layers within society, and that the majority within a society can at times be unaware of those layers. The research over the last two years is showing that there are in fact networks of informants being hired by the state in various countries to track and spy on average citizens. The research shows that there is a structure in place being used to dispose of perceived enemies of the state, or those who do not adhere to the unwritten guidelines of this systemic structure that we are indoctrinated into. What can be done to change this? This structure is part of the very society and system that we live in. Before change can happen, society would have to accept that there is a problem. If society does not see a problem with this structure, if it works just enough for the majority of people within the society then change will not happen. Right now this structure works for just enough people to keep it in place, protected, and for the most part hidden from some. Awareness and exposure of how the informant system works, are going to be key starting points towards changing this system, which increasingly becomes more corrupted. The key focal point for change would be reforming how the informant system works, currently it's at the heart of much of the corruption that we are seeing, and experiencing in society. Putting checks and balances back in place. Right now there are a slew of laws that allow civil rights to legally be trampled upon, and unjust covert investigations to be carried out on innocent individuals for years at a time. If the checks and balances that prevented this were put back into place this could solve some of what is happening. The reality is however that we are sleeping behind a veil, and most people would be shocked and horrified if they knew the truth of what goes on in society. Many are just not ready for the truth, and find it easier to put topics such as Gang Stalking off as a paranoid fantasy, or as a conspiracy theory. To admit that topics such as this are true would mean either not taking action, and then being complacent for the suffering of your fellow citizens, or it would mean accepting the truth and then actually doing something about it. Most in society are just not willing to leave their comfort zone. Many people live with just enough to be happy, they will only rock the boat if it's safe to do so, and they will not get into any real trouble, this means never truly going outside of the perceived guidelines of society. This also means the only significant, true, or real change that will ever happen will be what the system allows to happen, and right now this system is unwell and it's increasingly not working for more and more innocent people that are being caught up within it's web. The strange truth is that people within every society really do have the power to make changes, but it first starts with going outside of your comfort zone just a little bit. Lifting the veil and seeing the truth about the world that we are really living in, not just accepting what we are told, but by truly questioning, going outside of the box, outside of the mold that many of us have been engineered into. Finally breaking the silence. There are many people in society that are taking part in these informant programs or who are aware that this structure exists and what it's capable of doing. Silence gives this system it's power and control, if we can find ways to break the silence about what is happening, we might be able to restore back some of what has been taken away. "
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Senast redigerad av RiktigTI 2021-03-29 kl. 01:26.
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2021-03-30, 05:50
  #6593
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The International Coalition Against Electronic Torture and the Robotisation of Living
Beings (ICATOR)
planerar att ta brotten till Europadomstolen (formellt Europeiska domstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna). Man har hittat en advokat som är villig att åta sig uppgiften, alltså lämna in en "class action lawsuit".

Enligt uppgift kommer man att argumentera på följande sätt:

"The attorney's legal reasoning is basically that because these victims were harmed in those countries, their government is liable since it did not protect them. Simple. And if all goes well and the court finds in their favor, this will set a huge precedent that we can apply in the courts here in our own country! It's a brilliant strategy.

According to this line of reasoning, we do not even have to prove that it is the government doing it to us, which has been one of the major impediments to our filing as a class. With this attorney's approach, that point is moot.

All we have to present is proof of harm - which many already have or can easily obtain - with alarming similarity from microwave weapon attacks and we have our case.

We don't even have to argue about the existence and use of microwave and directed energy weapons because of the regular reporting about the US diplomats to Cuba and China for the past four years, being attacked with microwave and directed energy weapons. And our government could be held
responsible because they have repeatedly refused to protect us. The FBI may be a very provable case in point.

We no longer have to find ways to explain MKULTRA and all the advanced technologies that grew out from those horrendous experiments; attempts that have previously been labeled as delusional. All we have to do is claim that our injuries and harm are due to microwave or directed energy weapons attacks and we cannot be denied because these devices are now public knowledge."

Ovanstående citerat från PACTS nyhetsbrev.

Hoppas att många svenskar blir del av detta så att svenska staten får sig en läxa och att svenska folket blir mer varse om vad staten (stater) håller på med. Dessa brott är nämligen de värsta någonsin och stater håller just nu på med att bygga elektroniska koncentrationsläger som de vid behov kan använda för att sätta "medborgarna" i (och behovet att medborgarna har rätt åsikter/uppfattningar föreligger konstant sett utifrån statens sida, särskilt när hjärnan - och kampen om kontroll över densamma - står i centrum mer än någonsin). Såsom det verkar har stater som den svenska tyvärr redan kommit mycket långt i detta 'bygge' samtidigt som medborgarna inte har en minsta aning om vad man kan åstadkomma med olika slags fjärrtekniker och AI. Total mörkläggning kan man kalla det, en diskrepans utan dess like.
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Senast redigerad av Julma-O 2021-03-30 kl. 06:07.
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2021-03-30, 09:59
  #6594
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Citat:
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The International Coalition Against Electronic Torture and the Robotisation of Living
Beings (ICATOR)
planerar att ta brotten till Europadomstolen (formellt Europeiska domstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna). Man har hittat en advokat som är villig att åta sig uppgiften, alltså lämna in en "class action lawsuit".

Enligt uppgift kommer man att argumentera på följande sätt:

"The attorney's legal reasoning is basically that because these victims were harmed in those countries, their government is liable since it did not protect them. Simple. And if all goes well and the court finds in their favor, this will set a huge precedent that we can apply in the courts here in our own country! It's a brilliant strategy.

According to this line of reasoning, we do not even have to prove that it is the government doing it to us, which has been one of the major impediments to our filing as a class. With this attorney's approach, that point is moot.

All we have to present is proof of harm - which many already have or can easily obtain - with alarming similarity from microwave weapon attacks and we have our case.

We don't even have to argue about the existence and use of microwave and directed energy weapons because of the regular reporting about the US diplomats to Cuba and China for the past four years, being attacked with microwave and directed energy weapons. And our government could be held
responsible because they have repeatedly refused to protect us. The FBI may be a very provable case in point.

We no longer have to find ways to explain MKULTRA and all the advanced technologies that grew out from those horrendous experiments; attempts that have previously been labeled as delusional. All we have to do is claim that our injuries and harm are due to microwave or directed energy weapons attacks and we cannot be denied because these devices are now public knowledge."

Ovanstående citerat från PACTS nyhetsbrev.

Hoppas att många svenskar blir del av detta så att svenska staten får sig en läxa och att svenska folket blir mer varse om vad staten (stater) håller på med. Dessa brott är nämligen de värsta någonsin och stater håller just nu på med att bygga elektroniska koncentrationsläger som de vid behov kan använda för att sätta "medborgarna" i (och behovet att medborgarna har rätt åsikter/uppfattningar föreligger konstant sett utifrån statens sida, särskilt när hjärnan - och kampen om kontroll över densamma - står i centrum mer än någonsin). Såsom det verkar har stater som den svenska tyvärr redan kommit mycket långt i detta 'bygge' samtidigt som medborgarna inte har en minsta aning om vad man kan åstadkomma med olika slags fjärrtekniker och AI. Total mörkläggning kan man kalla det, en diskrepans utan dess like.

Spännande.

Hur kommer du reagera när det visar sig att de inte lyckas med "All we have to present is proof of harm"? Kommer du då inse att det inte finns några bevis och att "upplevelserna" snarast beror på något annat? Eller kommer du hävda att Europadomstolen och advokaten är en del av konspirationen?
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2021-03-30, 10:08
  #6595
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Spännande.

Hur kommer du reagera när det visar sig att de inte lyckas med "All we have to present is proof of harm"? Kommer du då inse att det inte finns några bevis och att "upplevelserna" snarast beror på något annat? Eller kommer du hävda att Europadomstolen och advokaten är en del av konspirationen?

Detta var något av det dummaste inlägg jag läst. "Inte finns några bevis" - driver du med oss? Folk undrar hur vissa tillåts rösta men här kan man undra hur vissa tillåts skriva inlägg.
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2021-03-30, 10:09
  #6596
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Citat:
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The International Coalition Against Electronic Torture and the Robotisation of Living
Beings (ICATOR)
planerar att ta brotten till Europadomstolen (formellt Europeiska domstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna). Man har hittat en advokat som är villig att åta sig uppgiften, alltså lämna in en "class action lawsuit".

Enligt uppgift kommer man att argumentera på följande sätt:

"The attorney's legal reasoning is basically that because these victims were harmed in those countries, their government is liable since it did not protect them. Simple. And if all goes well and the court finds in their favor, this will set a huge precedent that we can apply in the courts here in our own country! It's a brilliant strategy.

According to this line of reasoning, we do not even have to prove that it is the government doing it to us, which has been one of the major impediments to our filing as a class. With this attorney's approach, that point is moot.

All we have to present is proof of harm - which many already have or can easily obtain - with alarming similarity from microwave weapon attacks and we have our case.

We don't even have to argue about the existence and use of microwave and directed energy weapons because of the regular reporting about the US diplomats to Cuba and China for the past four years, being attacked with microwave and directed energy weapons. And our government could be held
responsible because they have repeatedly refused to protect us. The FBI may be a very provable case in point.

We no longer have to find ways to explain MKULTRA and all the advanced technologies that grew out from those horrendous experiments; attempts that have previously been labeled as delusional. All we have to do is claim that our injuries and harm are due to microwave or directed energy weapons attacks and we cannot be denied because these devices are now public knowledge."

Ovanstående citerat från PACTS nyhetsbrev.

Hoppas att många svenskar blir del av detta så att svenska staten får sig en läxa och att svenska folket blir mer varse om vad staten (stater) håller på med. Dessa brott är nämligen de värsta någonsin och stater håller just nu på med att bygga elektroniska koncentrationsläger som de vid behov kan använda för att sätta "medborgarna" i (och behovet att medborgarna har rätt åsikter/uppfattningar föreligger konstant sett utifrån statens sida, särskilt när hjärnan - och kampen om kontroll över densamma - står i centrum mer än någonsin). Såsom det verkar har stater som den svenska tyvärr redan kommit mycket långt i detta 'bygge' samtidigt som medborgarna inte har en minsta aning om vad man kan åstadkomma med olika slags fjärrtekniker och AI. Total mörkläggning kan man kalla det, en diskrepans utan dess like.

Har de fått några mätvärden?
V2K borde gå att registrera, samma sak med infra och ultraljud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmNzf9ztnAk

Tex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkZ4Rm4LWqI projekt är ju mycket viktigt att de används för att bota sjukdom som blindhet , demens , mentala sjukdomar och inte missbrukas av varierande skäl, och att alla misstankar om missbruk följs upp och utreds.
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2021-03-30, 10:14
  #6597
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Detta var något av det dummaste inlägg jag läst. "Inte finns några bevis" - driver du med oss? Folk undrar hur vissa tillåts rösta men här kan man undra hur vissa tillåts skriva inlägg.

Hur vore det om du i stället svarade på min fråga?

Hur kommer du reagera när det visar sig att domstolens bevisvärdering innebär att det inte går att påvisa "proof of harm"? Då får vi ju liksom svart på vitt om det finns bevis eller inte.

Kommer du acceptera domstolens bevisvärdering?
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Senast redigerad av WilleGarvin 2021-03-30 kl. 10:20.
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2021-03-30, 21:45
  #6598
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Har de fått några mätvärden?
V2K borde gå att registrera, samma sak med infra och ultraljud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmNzf9ztnAk

Tex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkZ4Rm4LWqI projekt är ju mycket viktigt att de används för att bota sjukdom som blindhet , demens , mentala sjukdomar och inte missbrukas av varierande skäl, och att alla misstankar om missbruk följs upp och utreds.

ICATOR har arrangerat några skanningar och liknande, med blandat resultat. Allt kostar tyvärr pengar såsom mätutrustning. Därtill gäller det att på olika sätt försöka göra saker 'trovärdigt'. Därför bör t.ex. mätningar helst ske i en Faradays cage då det är så mycket signaler i luften och vara utfört av personer som kan sin sak (på papper). Dock finns det ingen garanti att man får träff vid mätning då 'saker' exempelvis kan 'stängas av'.
Citera
2021-03-30, 21:53
  #6599
Medlem
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Hur vore det om du i stället svarade på min fråga?

Hur kommer du reagera när det visar sig att domstolens bevisvärdering innebär att det inte går att påvisa "proof of harm"? Då får vi ju liksom svart på vitt om det finns bevis eller inte.

Kommer du acceptera domstolens bevisvärdering?

Tänker nog inte riktigt som du. Finns ingen poäng att i nuläget fundera djupare i denna slags banor (även om självkritik oftast är bra). Brotten slutar ju rimligen inte att existera bara för att en domstol eller någon annan 'auktoritet' anser att bevisen inte räcker. Brott är brott och det som har hänt har hänt. Varje natt innebär mordförsök och tortyr, liksom varje dag (men nätterna är värst). Övergrepp som är ofattbara men som 'inte händer' och som 'inte godkänns' av "samhället". Finns det något värre än att utsättas för de värsta brotten man kan tänka sig utan att ens få ett erkännande att de pågår?!

Framtiden är oviss, återstår att se vad som händer. Dock kan nästa tydliga 'offer' vara exempelvis du. Så varför inte själv redogöra för hur du kommer att reagera på domstolens bevisvärdering (alltså svara på din egen fråga)?
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Citera
2021-03-30, 22:04
  #6600
Medlem
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Tänker nog inte riktigt som du. Finns ingen poäng att i nuläget fundera djupare i denna slags banor (även om självkritik oftast är bra). Brotten slutar ju rimligen inte att existera bara för att en domstol eller någon annan 'auktoritet' anser att bevisen inte räcker. Brott är brott och det som har hänt har hänt. Varje natt innebär mordförsök och tortyr, liksom varje dag (men nätterna är värst). Övergrepp som 'inte händer' och som inte 'godkänns' av 'samhället'. Finns det något värre än att utsättas för denna slags brott utan att ens få ett erkännande att brotten verkligen pågår?!

Framtiden är oviss, återstår att se vad som händer. Dock kan nästa tydliga 'offer' vara exempelvis du. Så varför inte själv redogöra för hur du kommer att reagera på domstolens bevisvärdering (alltså svara på din egen fråga)?
Brotten ska dock bevisas, kan de det?
Citera

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