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2019-03-09, 07:08
  #301
Medlem
MrSkargards avatar
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Jag tror också tom att de där böckerna var gåvor från fans, om jag inte minns fel.

En av böckerna påstods vara en gåva.
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2019-03-09, 07:09
  #302
Medlem
cleovarnamnets avatar
https://www.dn.se/ledare/erik-helmerson-se-michael-jackson-filmen-och-bestam-sjalv-om-du-vill-lyssna-pa-thriller/

Bra ledare av Erik Helmerson i dag!
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2019-03-09, 07:13
  #303
Medlem
MrSkargards avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Xoleraz
Om du hos någon som äger 100 000 tals böcker hittar 3 konstböcker där det finns några bilder en naken eller halvnaken pojke, och sedan hittar följande porr nedan:

Om du sätter det faktum att de 3 konstböckerna kunde köpas lagligt på amazon och i vanliga bokhandlar i kontext till följande samling av heterosexuell porr, vad drar du för slutsats då?

Jacksons porr i magazin:

The pornographic magazines and DVDs
The pornographic magazines, posters from pornographic magazines and DVDs found in Michael Jackson’s possession were all heterosexual (or the kind of lesbian themed which are also targeted to heterosexual men) and all legal.

The list of items seized:

Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Hustler centerfold, 10 August 1992
Playboy centerfold, Miss October
Playboy centerfold, Miss November
Playboy centerfold, 16 Miss March
Hustler centerfold, June 1993
Playboy centerfold, unknown date
Penthouse Page No. 153-154
Centerfold, Miss May
Penthouse, Page 8
Penthouse centerfold
Playboy centerfold
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse, August 1991
Penthouse centerfold
Club International centerfold
Penthouse, double page 6/211
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse, May 1992
Hustler, Centerfold Special Holiday Honey 1991
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse, November 1991
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss November
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss February
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss December
Al Golstein’s 100 Best Adult Videos Advertisement
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold
Hustler Magazine Cover, May 1992
Page from Unknown Magazine
Stiff Dick for Lynn Magazine (In Notebook)
Barely Legal Magazine
Just Legal Magazine, (Premier Issue) (In Notebook)
Finally Legal Magazine (In Notebook)
Playboy Magazine, February 1993 (In Notebook)
Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook)
Playboy Magazine, December 1994 (In Notebook)
Playboy Magazine, May 1994 (In Notebook)
Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook)
Penthouse Magazine (In Notebook)
Visions of Fantasy Magazine, A Hard Rock Affair (In Notebook)
Visions of Fantasy Magazine, Sam Jose’s Black Starlett (In Notebook)
Double Dicking Caroline Magazine (In Notebook)
Big Tits and a Hard Stud Magazine
Hustler Magazine
Celebrity Skin Magazine (In Notebook)
Oui, March 1998 in binder
Over 50, Volume 5, #9, 1996 in binder
XX rated, April 1995
Close Up, April 1995 in binder
Just 18, Volume 4, Issue No. 10
Plumpers centerfold
Hustler, August 1992
Hustler, April 1998
(No cover) in binder
Penthouse, March 1992 in binder
Juggs, June 1996 in binder
44 Plus, June 1996 in binder
Plumpers, May 1996 in binder
Club International, March 1998 in binder
Live Young Girls, September in binder
Finally Legal, July 2003 in notebook
Finally Legal Freshman Class
Orgy, August 2002 in binder
Purely 18, October 2002 in binder
Purely 18, December 2002 in binder
Tight, November 2002 in binder
Hawk, November 2002 in binder
Hawk, January 2003 in binder
Live Young Girls, June 2003 in binder
Girlfriends in binder
Live Young Girls in binder
Parade
Finally Legal, February 2003 in binder
Girls of Barely Legal in binder
Hawk, February 2003 in binder
Girlfriends, Special Editions in binder
White binder containing The Girls of Penthouse, August 19 2003 in binder
White binder containing Barely Legal, July 200 21 in binder
Gallery 5/2002
Binder containing Playboy
Couples Volume 2, Issue 2
White binder containing Barely Legal, Anniversary 2002
White binder containing Naughty Neighbors, December
Hustler Barely Legal [31]

DVDs:

Pimps Up, Hos Down (1998 documentary)
Fresh Picked Pink
Dirty Teens Come Clean
Hot! Wet! Tight! Pink!
Fuck Me, I’m Legal
Michael Ryan’s Believe It Or Not
Sloppy Dogs Presents: Fuck Me, I’m a Bad Girl
Adult World #2
TWO ARTICLES:

Page 28 from “G-Spot”
“The Second Female G-Spot” Article (In Notebook) (see: The Second Female G-spot)

Du har missförstått mig. Två böcker med ett flertal bilder på nakna småpojkar hittades hos Michael Jackson (inte i en bokhylla utan inlåsta i ett arkivskåp) plus två fotografier som föreställde en naken pojke och en halvnaken pojke.
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2019-03-09, 07:15
  #304
Medlem
MrSkargards avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Xoleraz
Här har du din kontext:

Michael Jackson and Art Photography
The police confiscated around 26 art books from Jackson – three of them in 1993 and the rest in 2003. The majority of these books are not pornographic or sexual and those that are do not have any children in them. They are legal art photography books that you can buy in any book store and with photos that you can see at art photography exhibitions. The common theme based on which the prosecution seemed to have picked them is if they had some level of nudity or even just semi-nudity in them.

The context is always very important therefore first let me talk about Michael Jackson’s relationship with art and art photograhpy. Jackson had a huge library, he owned over a million books, much of them in storage, and there were about 10,000 books in total in the areas of Jackson’s home where the Santa Barbara police had focused their search. District Attorney Thomas Sneddon would attempt to downplay the number of books Jackson owned [4], but their own detectives would testify that there had been thousands of books in the areas that they had searched and that it had not been possible to count them all [5] [6].


According to people who knew Jackson, he was a “prolific” and “voracious” reader who would frequently spend thousands of dollars at a time in bookstores. In their 2014 book “Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson In His Final Days” two of his bodyguards Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard wrote the following about Jackson’s love for books:

Javon: That’s how he filled all those hours by himself: books. He’d read anything and everything he could get his hands on. History. Science. Art. There were so many trips to Barnes & Noble. It was almost a weekly thing. He would go into bookstores and drop five thousand dollars like he was buying a pack of gum. At one point, he actually bought a bookstore— I’m talking about an entire bookstore. He paid cash for it.

Bill: It was on his way back from Tokyo, during those couple days he spent in L.A. He went to visit this used bookstore. It had a lot of rare books from the personal libraries of some pretty famous people, Hollywood stars. These were books that Humphrey Bogart had signed, books that Ingrid Bergman had signed. He asked the owner how much it would take to buy all of his books. The owner didn’t take him seriously. So he made an offer of $ 100,000. Said he’d pay cash on the spot. Couple weeks after he got back from L.A., this U-Haul filled with all these books showed up at the house in Vegas. [7]

Totalt ointressant i det här sammanhanget.
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2019-03-09, 07:23
  #305
Medlem
Brett Barnes to sue HBO over Leaving Neverland.

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Brett Barnes, one of long time friend of Michael Jackson is to sue HBO over the upcoming “documentary” – “Leaving Neverland”.

In the movie, Wade claims that he replaced Brett as an abused victim and confirmed that Brett was abused by Michael Jackson using his image and name. While Wade claims that Brett always denied it, Brett spoke out the day the movie came to light at the Sundance Film Festival.

Brett Barnes lawyered up and threatened HBO with a lawsuit, claiming the documentary puts him in a false light and subjects him to “hatred, contempt and ridicule.”

Brett also testified at Michael Jackson’s criminal trial in 2005 — along with Macaulay Culkin — that he was never sexually abused by Michael … and he hasn’t changed his account since. Brett also tweeted about the MJ allegations in January, calling them “lies.”

Brett says he wants nothing to do with the film, does not give HBO his consent to use his image and likeness and wants all references to him axed … He also still insists that Michael Jackson is innocent.

HBO replied to the letter, telling Barnes to pound sand."

"Not only do we have to deal with these lies, but we’ve also got to deal with people perpetuating these lies. The fact that they fail to do the small amount of research it takes to prove these are lies, by choice or not, makes it even worse.

"I wish people would realise, in your last moments on this earth, all the money in the world will be of no comfort. My clear conscience will. "
– Brett Barnes

Hela brevet till HBO:

Sida 1: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/9418/MvHGnC.jpg
Sida 2: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/121/3FY5aJ.jpg

jag måste säga att det är lite märkligt att skaparna av filmen hela tiden pratar om att dom bryr sig offer osv. och sen pekar dom indirekt ut brett barnes på det här sättet, utan att ens ge honom besked att hans bild och namn kommer nämnas. smaklöst agerat. han borde åtminstone fått chansen att besvara påståendena som görs....och sen ber hbo honom mer eller mindre att dra åt helvete som svar...
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2019-03-09, 07:45
  #306
Medlem
MrSkargards avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av Archambault
Brett Barnes to sue HBO over Leaving Neverland.



Hela brevet till HBO:

Sida 1: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/9418/MvHGnC.jpg
Sida 2: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/121/3FY5aJ.jpg

jag måste säga att det är lite märkligt att skaparna av filmen hela tiden pratar om att dom bryr sig offer osv. och sen pekar dom indirekt ut brett barnes på det här sättet, utan att ens ge honom besked att hans bild och namn kommer nämnas. smaklöst agerat. han borde åtminstone fått chansen att besvara påståendena som görs....och sen ber hbo honom mer eller mindre att dra åt helvete som svar...

Det framkommer tydligt i dokumentären att Brett Barnes förnekar att han utsattes för sexuella övergrepp så den där stämningen lär hamna i soptunnan där den hör hemma.
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2019-03-09, 10:14
  #307
Medlem
Normalsaltatsockers avatar
Ingen rök utan eld
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2019-03-09, 10:51
  #308
Medlem
Stones avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Xoleraz
Om du hos någon som äger 100 000 tals böcker hittar 3 konstböcker där det finns några bilder en naken eller halvnaken pojke, och sedan hittar följande porr nedan:

Om du sätter det faktum att de 3 konstböckerna kunde köpas lagligt på amazon och i vanliga bokhandlar i kontext till följande samling av heterosexuell porr, vad drar du för slutsats då?

Jacksons porr i magazin:

The pornographic magazines and DVDs
The pornographic magazines, posters from pornographic magazines and DVDs found in Michael Jackson’s possession were all heterosexual (or the kind of lesbian themed which are also targeted to heterosexual men) and all legal.

The list of items seized:

Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Photo of female image
Hustler centerfold, 10 August 1992
Playboy centerfold, Miss October
Playboy centerfold, Miss November
Playboy centerfold, 16 Miss March
Hustler centerfold, June 1993
Playboy centerfold, unknown date
Penthouse Page No. 153-154
Centerfold, Miss May
Penthouse, Page 8
Penthouse centerfold
Playboy centerfold
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse, August 1991
Penthouse centerfold
Club International centerfold
Penthouse, double page 6/211
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse, May 1992
Hustler, Centerfold Special Holiday Honey 1991
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse centerfold
Penthouse, November 1991
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss November
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss February
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss December
Al Golstein’s 100 Best Adult Videos Advertisement
Playboy Magazine, Centerfold
Hustler Magazine Cover, May 1992
Page from Unknown Magazine
Stiff Dick for Lynn Magazine (In Notebook)
Barely Legal Magazine
Just Legal Magazine, (Premier Issue) (In Notebook)
Finally Legal Magazine (In Notebook)
Playboy Magazine, February 1993 (In Notebook)
Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook)
Playboy Magazine, December 1994 (In Notebook)
Playboy Magazine, May 1994 (In Notebook)
Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook)
Penthouse Magazine (In Notebook)
Visions of Fantasy Magazine, A Hard Rock Affair (In Notebook)
Visions of Fantasy Magazine, Sam Jose’s Black Starlett (In Notebook)
Double Dicking Caroline Magazine (In Notebook)
Big Tits and a Hard Stud Magazine
Hustler Magazine
Celebrity Skin Magazine (In Notebook)
Oui, March 1998 in binder
Over 50, Volume 5, #9, 1996 in binder
XX rated, April 1995
Close Up, April 1995 in binder
Just 18, Volume 4, Issue No. 10
Plumpers centerfold
Hustler, August 1992
Hustler, April 1998
(No cover) in binder
Penthouse, March 1992 in binder
Juggs, June 1996 in binder
44 Plus, June 1996 in binder
Plumpers, May 1996 in binder
Club International, March 1998 in binder
Live Young Girls, September in binder
Finally Legal, July 2003 in notebook
Finally Legal Freshman Class
Orgy, August 2002 in binder
Purely 18, October 2002 in binder
Purely 18, December 2002 in binder
Tight, November 2002 in binder
Hawk, November 2002 in binder
Hawk, January 2003 in binder
Live Young Girls, June 2003 in binder
Girlfriends in binder
Live Young Girls in binder
Parade
Finally Legal, February 2003 in binder
Girls of Barely Legal in binder
Hawk, February 2003 in binder
Girlfriends, Special Editions in binder
White binder containing The Girls of Penthouse, August 19 2003 in binder
White binder containing Barely Legal, July 200 21 in binder
Gallery 5/2002
Binder containing Playboy
Couples Volume 2, Issue 2
White binder containing Barely Legal, Anniversary 2002
White binder containing Naughty Neighbors, December
Hustler Barely Legal [31]

DVDs:

Pimps Up, Hos Down (1998 documentary)
Fresh Picked Pink
Dirty Teens Come Clean
Hot! Wet! Tight! Pink!
Fuck Me, I’m Legal
Michael Ryan’s Believe It Or Not
Sloppy Dogs Presents: Fuck Me, I’m a Bad Girl
Adult World #2
TWO ARTICLES:

Page 28 from “G-Spot”
“The Second Female G-Spot” Article (In Notebook) (see: The Second Female G-spot)

Är detta Michael Jacksons personliga porrsamling? Endast heterosexuell pornografi alltså? Case closed. Vore han pedofil skulle datorn/biblioteket/skrivbordslådan vara fylld med pornigrafiskt material av små barn. The American dream is to sue someone rich.
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2019-03-09, 10:54
  #309
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Normalsaltatsocker
Ingen rök utan eld

Säg det till alla män som blivit felaktigt anklagade för att ha begått övergrepp. I Michaels fall så har ju rättsliga prövningar gjorts och han har blivit frikänd. Då är det detta vi har att rätta oss efter. Att komma 10 år efter hans död och börja smutskasta honom luktar golddiggers lång väg. De är antagligen ute efter pengar bara.
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2019-03-09, 10:59
  #310
Medlem
Trolltestets avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Stone
Vore han pedofil skulle datorn/biblioteket/skrivbordslådan vara fylld med pornigrafiskt material av små barn.

Ehm nej, pedofiler är som knarkare med självbevarelsedrift. Man gömmer sitt stash mycket väl.
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2019-03-09, 11:02
  #311
Medlem
WheelofFortunes avatar
Tycker det är helt uppenbart att han med allra största sannorlikhet var en pedofil. Det finns för många vittnesmål från både barn och från hans fd. anställda som hävdar att detta är sant.

Dessutom finns det fotografiska bevis att han hade konstiga relationer till barn, bl.a. ett videoklipp där han öppet proklamerar hur han sover med en 12-åring i sin säng för att de "älskar varandra". - Oavsätt vad man säger kommer man inte ifrån att det ter sig ytterst olämpligt för en 44-årig man att husera prepubertala pojkar i sin säng på en systematisk basis över flera årtionden.

Detta är ingenting någon kan argumentera emot. Nästan varje klipp på Michael i hans livs slutskede uppvisar en patologisk inställning till barn som man kan finna en uppsjö av bevis för genom en enda youtube-sökning. Frågan är bara om att sova med sin förälskelse automatiskt innebär en övergång in i sexuellt umgänge. För mig verkar det som att det finns en uppsjö av bevis för att det gjorde det.

Det finns dessutom en massa andra stjärnor som är miljardärer och som inte blir anklagade under flera årtionden, systematiskt, för att vara intresserade av småpojkar. Varför blir t.ex. inte Daddy Yankee anklagad? Eller Justin Timberlake? Eller Dr. Phil? Kanske för att det möjligtvis inte finns rök utan eld?

Freddie Mercury var t.ex. anklagad för att vara en "homosexuell med Aids", vilket i stort sätt visade sig vara sant.
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2019-03-09, 11:03
  #312
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Stone
Är detta Michael Jacksons personliga porrsamling? Endast heterosexuell pornografi alltså? Case closed. Vore han pedofil skulle datorn/biblioteket/skrivbordslådan vara fylld med pornigrafiskt material av små barn. The American dream is to sue someone rich.

Här finns lite mer info (om det nu stämmer...)
https://www.mjfacts.com/was-child-pornography-found-in-michael-jacksons-home/
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