Den riktiga sjukvården har inte direkt motiv att döda liknande, och "big pharma" saknar även dem motiv eftersom "holistisk" sjukvård är generellt sett verkningslös och därför bara till gagn för de som säljer verksam medicin.
Det finns en omfattande debunk av detta påstående på Snopes där de inte bara går igenom de avlidna och visar att de flesta inte dog ett dugg misstänkt utan även visar att de flesta inte hade ett enda dugg med ”holistisk sjukvård” att göra..
Det finns en omfattande debunk av detta påstående på Snopes där de inte bara går igenom de avlidna och visar att de flesta inte dog ett dugg misstänkt utan även visar att de flesta inte hade ett enda dugg med ”holistisk sjukvård” att göra..
Snopes är FAKE NEWS! Demokratisk propaganda ägd av SWAMP creatures. Ingen vettig person tar deras fact-checks på allvar.
Om du läser det de skriver och bemöter faktan istället så kanske vi har något att diskutera. Tyvärr är det en väldigt lång artikel men jag kletar in de viktigaste passagerna i en spoiler så kan du ju se själv:
Of these now 61 doctors, all but five can easily be excluded from any conspiracy attacking alternative medical practice. The remaining five cases, while perhaps not without some intrigue, are far from sufficient proof of of any large scale conspiracy against alternative health practitioners.
Elizabeth Herself Has Already Excluded 14 of the 61 Cases
As Elizabeth’s conspiracy claims have expanded, she has taken to posting about deaths that even she admits are not part of her list of dead holistic doctors.
These fourteen doctors include five chiropractors who died in car accidents (Chris Coffman, David Knotts, Thomas Eynon, William Snow and Janelle A. Bottorff) introduced with this caveat:
I’m not including these officially in my holistic series of doctors who have been found dead or murdered, but have had more than one of their patients write me saying that they would like me to do a story on them.
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Seven of the Remaining 47 Cases Can Also Be Excluded as Accidents
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Fourteen of the Remaining 40 Cases Are Murders Unrelated to a Medical Conspiracy
Fourteen of the doctors in Elizabeth’s series were murdered. Although each case is disturbing, in all but one the likely perpetrator has been identified — and in the remaining case, the victim was a retiree who clearly posed no threat to the medical establishment.
One of the cases Elizabeth most often refers to in hers series is that of Teresa Sievers. Dr. Sievers was involved in holistic medicine and her murder was complex and mysterious enough to be featured on the CBS program “48 hours.” However, the investigation ultimately ended in the arrest of her husband on the suspicion that he paid a man to kill her for a life insurance payout. The case is still working its way through the courts.
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Ten of the Remaining 26 Cases Involve People With No Tie to Holistic Medicine
In many instances, Elizabeth includes individuals in her “series” who have no documentable tie to holistic medicine. Among the most tenuous connections to holistic medicine is the case of Cheryl Deboar, who was employed in a non-research role at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, and had a degree in chemistry.
Also notable is the inclusion of Jeffrey Whiteside, a pulmonary/critical care doctor who, despite a complex and potentially mismanaged investigation that ultimately concluded that his death was a suicide, did not practice or have ties to any form of alternative medicine. Elizabeth uses the problems in the investigation to generate suspicion but fails to make any link to a larger narrative about the threat she thinks alternative medical practitioners are facing.
Other tenuous connections included in this category:
• Hakeem M. Abdul-Karim, dentist (who died of a heart attack and whose proffered connectionto holistic medicine is based on pages he liked on Facebook and his use of the term “preventative dentistry”)
• Nadeera De Silva, clinical cancer researcher (who did not practice holistic medicine)
• John Marshall, surgeon (whose connection to holistic medicine comes entirely from a Facebook comment left on Health Nut News’s page)
• Christopher Robert, chief of anesthesiology at the Hennepin County Medical Center (with no proffered tie to alternative medicine)
• Rose Polge, junior doctor (a 25 year-old British junior doctor whose alleged connection to holistic medicine is her support of a junior doctor strike in the UK in April 2016)
• Laura Skellchock, dermatologist (Primarily a cosmetic dermatologist known for her work treating excessive sweating with botox, whose purported connection to holistic medicine comes from her background in integrative medicine and general interest in wellness and nutrition)
• Robert Ashton, thoracic Surgeon (who took his life two weeks after a divorce from his wife, whom Elizabeth connects to holistic medicine through her role as an ABC News correspondent whose former boss was anti-vaccine)
• Jerome Block, medical doctor (who had recently been convicted of medicare fraud, and who had jumped to his death in a clear suicide)
11 of the Remaining 16 Cases Cannot Plausibly Be Considered Suspicious
In ten of the remaining cases, the cause of death is known and generally accepted. This includes the death of Alfredo “Dr. Sebi” Bowman, an alternative health guru and traditional healer who died in an Honduran jail where he was being held on money laundering charges. Bowman was an important figure in the alternative health world, but conditions in Honduran prisons are notoriouslyharsh, crowded, and unsanitary, making it unsurprising that an 82 year-old with pneumonia did not survive his detention there.
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• Michelle M. Hartley, holistic doctor (a 32 year-old who died of a heart attack and for whom Elizabeth provides no additional information).
• Paige Adams, nurse practitioner (Elizabeth uses her support for Bradstreet to make her death look suspicious, despite the fact her obituary clearly states she died of Lyme disease).
• John Hicks, a medical doctor with some alternative medical views (who died of a heart attack)
• Marie Paas, a holistic doctor (who apparently committed suicide in Georgia, and whom Elizabeth learned about entirely from Facebook posts).
• Bruce Hedendal, chiropractor (a 67 year-old found dead in his car of reported natural causes).
• Baron Holt, chiropractor (whose ultimate cause of death is not reported online, but whose obituary mentions “health problems” albeit ones that they had assumed were not life threatening).
• Jyrki Suutari, chiropractor (who took his life on Mother’s Day 2016)
Five Cases Involving ‘Holistic Doctors’ Remain
After eliminating the above 55 doctors from the “official unintended series”, we are left with only five cases involving individuals who practiced some form of alternative medicine and whose death could arguably (though this is a stretch) look suspicious. This includes the death of Jeffrey Bradstreet (discussed earlier), the incident that spawned this whole “series” in the first place.
Elizabeth includes another indisputably prominent figure in the alternative medicine scene, Mitchell Gaynor, in her series. As with Bradstreet, Gaynor’s death was ruled a suicide, which Elizabeth questions for spurious reasons. She argues that Gaynor, who supplemented his traditional treatment with natural remedies, wouldn’t have committed suicide because he had recently beat the flu and survived a car accident:
I’m confused because his close friend and patient (also a doctor) told me that they were told he had walked away from a car accident, but then days later he was found in the woods at his country home in Upstate New York.
I’m also confused because posts on his personal Facebook page (which you might only be able to see if you are friends with him or have mutual friends) had colleagues saying that they were so sorry he missed the conference he was supposed to attend last weekend because allegedly he said he had the intestinal flu.
So, let’s say the information we were given was true. Let’s say he survived a car accident (we don’t know the details yet) and walked away from it, then he gets the intestinal flu (apparently survives that too) and then kills himself (allegedly in the woods at his country home, according to a patient and friend)?
We are unsure what these details have to do with his state of mind, but it should be noted that surviving both the flu and a car accident are not necessarily indicators of mental health.
The other notable figure is Nick Gonzalez, an oncologist who practiced controversial and unproven alternative cancer treatments. Gonzalez died at age 67 of cardiac-related issues. His death sparked its own conspiracy theories and memes, as he once joked that pharmaceutical companies might target him for his work, as Vitality Magazine reported:
The keynote speaker at this year’s Whole Life Expo is Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez of New York, one of a small number of doctors whose success in treating cancer exceeds that of mainstream oncology by a wide margin. His work thereby puts the lie to pharmaceutical propaganda that fuels a cancer industry bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars while fooling millions of desperate and bewildered patients. “I’ve been told drug companies know about my work but hope I get hit by a bus,” Dr. Gonzalez observes wryly.
The two remaining cases included here involve people who had connections to holistic medicine, but were far from national figures in the movement and could barely be considered primary targets for a hit job:
• Curtis Clogston, a medical doctor (who had at one point wrote about acupuncture and whose body was found in his car near his house after having been missing for a disputed amount of time)
• Alex Shvartsman, a holistic dentist (who also reportedly committed suicide, but whose death Elizabeth categorizes as suspicious because “his patients are posting on my Facebook page (and sending emails) that they don’t believe it was suicide”
Du ger iofs inte sken av att vara särskilt intresserad av fakta, men andra kanske vill läsa...
När t.o.m. upphovskvinnan bakom ryktet erkänner att det mesta är fel i "konspirationen" så kanske det ändå kan ligga en del i Snopes debunk, oavsett vad du har för förutfattade meningar om dem...?
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Senast redigerad av SnakePlisssken 2018-04-19 kl. 13:39.
Det finns en omfattande debunk av detta påstående på Snopes där de inte bara går igenom de avlidna och visar att de flesta inte dog ett dugg misstänkt utan även visar att de flesta inte hade ett enda dugg med ”holistisk sjukvård” att göra..
Vad jag förstod så är inte backchannel fake, det var om nån graphics som de lagt upp.
Det står på backchannel att de stödjer Q men är inte en del av Q, så jag ser ingen skillnad på den twitter kanalen mot alla andra Q-fanbase kanaler
Eller ja ska man gå på detta så är det väl lite högre än fanbase.
" @BackChannel17
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Vad jag förstod så är inte backchannel fake, det var om nån graphics som de lagt upp.
Det står på backchannel att de stödjer Q men är inte en del av Q, så jag ser ingen skillnad på den twitter kanalen mot alla andra Q-fanbase kanaler
Eller ja ska man gå på detta så är det väl lite högre än fanbase.
" @BackChannel17
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Möjligt. Folk har iaf varnat ett tag för att den kanalen kan sprida disinfo.
Möjligt. Folk har iaf varnat ett tag för att den kanalen kan sprida disinfo.
Tack, ska va uppmärksam på det, inte för att jag skulle dö av lite disinfo i detta ämne, känns som att man kan rycka lite på axlarna om lite saker är fel. .)
Hur svårt kan det vara att beskriva vad som göms bakom länkarna?
Tråden blir helt omöjlig att följa om den består av en massa länkar varav hälften har dött om någon månad.
Tack, ska va uppmärksam på det, inte för att jag skulle dö av lite disinfo i detta ämne, känns som att man kan rycka lite på axlarna om lite saker är fel. .)
Q skrev tidigt i januari att ingen kommunikation har skett eller kommer att ske utanför #chan.
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Q skrev tidigt i januari att ingen kommunikation har skett eller kommer att ske utanför #chan.
Jo det är sant, men denna person är inte Q och har inte en kontakt med Q.
Däremot verkar det vara någon med tillgång till intel och ska försöka verifiera korrektheten i Qs poster.
Det i sin tur kan skapa problem för Q om Q behöver köra dubbelspel.