2017-12-09, 22:55
  #32965
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Du behöver inte läsa länkarna - citaten jag la in dumförklarar dig totalt...

Har du inga argument?

Argumenten talar för sig själv! Fysik var inte ditt starkaste ämne i skolan va?

Har du sett filmerna? Dessutom är de dåligt gjorda! Fejk!
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2017-12-09, 22:58
  #32966
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Du behöver inte läsa länkarna - citaten jag la in dumförklarar dig totalt...

Har du inga argument?

Har du några egna argument med bäring?
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2017-12-09, 23:08
  #32967
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Jamenojvadspännande - efter 16 år kommer äntligen palkranen lägga upp glasklara bevis för det som tomtarna i trutherrörelsen misslyckats med så kapitalt! Jag ställer om mig till ”ready to surrender”-mode och avvaktar sensationen!!

Detta är så nära det går att bevisa att CIA lät attacken ske, citerar bara lite av texten.

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The Report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 (173-77), though very heavily redacted at this point, supplies corroborating information, including a report that Basnan had once hosted a party for the “Blind Sheikh” Omar Abdel Rahman. In other words, the Congressional investigation found indications that the same protection extended to those protected in the crimes of 1993, were protected again in 9/11.

The 9/11 Commission Report recognized that there had been an intelligence failure with respect to al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi, but treated it as an accident that might not have occurred “if more resources had been applied.” This explanation, however, has since been rejected by 9/11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean. Asked if the failure to deal appropriately with al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi could have been a simple mistake, Kean replied:

Oh, it wasn’t careless oversight. It was purposeful. No question about that.…The conclusion that we came to was that in the DNA of these organizations was secrecy. And secrecy to the point of ya don’t share it with anybody.

In 2011 an important book by Kevin Fenton, Disconnecting the Dots, demonstrated conclusively that the withholding was purposive, and sustained over a period of eighteen months. This interference and manipulation became particularly blatant and controversial in the days before 9/11; it led one FBI agent, Steve Bongardt, to predict accurately on August 29, less than two weeks before 9/11, that “someday someone will die.”

Before reading Fenton’s book, I was satisfied with Lawrence Wright’s speculations that the CIA may have wanted to recruit the two Saudis; and that “The CIA may also have been protecting an overseas operation [possibly in conjunction with Saudi Arabia] and was afraid that the F.B.I. would expose it.” However, I am now persuaded that Lawrence Wright’s explanation, that the CIA was protecting a covert operation, may explain the beginnings of the withholding in January 2000, but cannot explain its renewal in the days just before 9/11.

Fenton analyzes a list of thirty-five different occasions where the two alleged hijackers were protected in this fashion, from January 2000 to about September 5, 2001, less than a week before the hijackings. In his analysis, the incidents fall into two main groups. In the earlier incidents he sees an intention “to cover a CIA operation that was already in progress.” However, after “the system was blinking red” in the summer of 2001, and the CIA expected an imminent attack, Fenton can see no other explanation than that “the purpose of withholding the information had become to allow the attacks to go forward.”

In support of Fenton’s conclusion, there is evidence (not mentioned by him) indicating that in mid-2001 the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center (CTC), who were the chief suppliers of the CIA protection, believed an al-Qaeda attack was imminent, and that al-Mihdhar was important to it. On August 15, CIA Counterterrorism Chief Cofer Black told a secret Pentagon conference, “We’re going to be struck soon…. Many Americans are going to die, and it could be in the U.S.”128 Three weeks earlier, CTC Deputy Chief Tom Wilshire had written that ““When the next big op is carried out… Khallad [bin Attash] will be at or near the top ….Khalid Midhar should be very high interest.”129 Yet Wilshire (like his superior, Richard Blee), instead of expediting to the FBI the transmission of his knowledge about al-Mihdhar, did the opposite: he not only failed to tell anyone else involved in the hunt [for Al-Mihdhar] that Almihdhar would likely soon be a participant in a major al-Qaeda attack inside the US, but also supported a dubious procedure which meant that the FBI was only able to focus a fraction of the resources it had on the hunt.

Fenton’s serious allegation has to be considered in the light of the earlier instances of protection we have surveyed:

1) the protection given to Salameh and Abouhalima in the 1990 Kahane murder, leaving them free to participate in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing;

2) the failure for two or three years to process Ali Mohamed’s documents seized in 1990, which could have prevented the 1993 World Trade Center bombing;

3) the release of Ali Mohamed from RCMP detention in 1993, leaving him free to participate in the 1998 Nairobi Embassy bombing;

4) the treatment of Ali Mohamed as an “unindicted coconspirator” in the 1993 WTC bombing case and Landmarks case, leaving him free to participate in the 1998 Nairobi Embassy bombing.

AQ har blivit skyddade av underrättelse världen i USA och 911 kommissionens rapport fortsatte att skydda dessa terrorister.

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For indeed it is certain that on various occasions U.S. agencies have intervened, letting al-Qaeda terrorists proceed with their plots. This alarming statement will be dismissed by some as “conspiracy theory.” Yet I will show that this claim does not arise from theory, but from facts, about incidents that are true even though they have been systematically suppressed or under-reported in the American mainstream media.

I am describing a phenomenon that occurred not just once, but repeatedly, almost predictably. We shall see that, among the al-Qaeda terrorists who were first protected and then continued their activities were

1) Ali Mohamed, identified in the 9/11 Commission Report (p. 68) as the leader of the 1998 Nairobi Embassy bombing;

2) Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, Osama bin Laden’s close friend and financier while in the Philippines of Ramzi Yousef (principle architect of the first WTC attack) and his uncle Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

3) Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, identified in the 9/11 Commission Report (p. 145) as “the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks.”

4) Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. two of the alleged 9/11 hijackers, whose presence in the United States was concealed from the FBI by CIA officers for months before 9/11.4

It might sound from these citations that the 9/11 Commission marked a new stage in the U.S. treatment of these terrorists, and that the Report now exposed those terrorists who in the past had been protected. On the contrary, a principal purpose of my essay is to show that

1) one purpose of protecting these individuals had been to protect a valued intelligence connection (the “Al-Qaeda connection” if you will);

2) one major intention of the 9/11 Commission Report was to continue protecting this connection;

3) those on the 9/11 Commission staff who were charged with this protection included at least one commission member (Jamie Gorelick), one staff member (Dietrich Snell) and one important witness (Patrick Fitzgerald) who earlier had figured among the terrorists’ protectors.

In the course of writing this essay, I came to another disturbing conclusion I had not anticipated. This is that a central feature of the protection has been to defend the 9/11 Commission’s false picture of al-Qaeda as an example of non-state terrorism, at odds with not just the CIA but also the royal families of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. In reality, as I shall show, royal family protection from Qatar and Saudi Arabia (concealed by the 9/11 Commission) was repeatedly given to key figures like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged “principal architect of the 9/11 attacks.”

The establishment claims that the wars fought by America in Asia since 9/11 have been part of a global “war on terror.” But this “war,” or pseudo-war, has been fought in alliance with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Pakistan – precisely the principal political and financial backers of the jihadi terrorist networks the U.S. has supposedly been fighting. Meanwhile the most authentic opponents in the region of these Sunni jihadi terrorists – the governments of Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran – have found themselves overthrown (in the case of Iraq and Libya) subverted with U.S. support (in the case of Syria), or sanctioned and threatened as part of an “axis of evil” (in the case of Iran). We should not forget that, just one day after 9/11, “Rumsfeld was talking about broadening the objectives of our response and ‘getting Iraq.’
http://apjjf.org/2013/11/40/Peter-Dale-Scott/4005/article.html
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2017-12-09, 23:10
  #32968
Medlem
Mer här,

The Inside Information That Could Have Stopped 9/11
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That the CIA did block him and Doug Miller, a fellow FBI agent assigned to the “Alec Station,” the cover name for CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit, from notifying bureau headquarters about the terrorists has been told before, most notably in a 2009 Nova documentary on PBS, “The Spy Factory.” Rossini and Miller related how they learned earlier from the CIA that one of the terrorists (and future hijacker), Khalid al-Mihdhar, had multi-entry visas on a Saudi passport to enter the United States. When Miller drafted a report for FBI headquarters, a CIA manager in the top-secret unit told him to hold off. Incredulous, Miller and Rossini had to back down. The station’s rules prohibited them from talking to anyone outside their top-secret group.

All these years later, no one has come up with a plausible explanation for why Alec Station would deny Rossini and Miller the chance to tell the FBI about dangerous Al-Qaeda figures coming into the U.S. “It’s looney,” said the former Alec Station CIA ops officer.

“When the first 9/11 report came out, I was waiting for heads to roll,” the ops officer said. “But of course they took out all the important stuff. And all the people who were responsible for not sharing information—their names were taken out. They were commended and moved up.”
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/23/information-could-have-stopped-911-299148.html
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2017-12-09, 23:15
  #32969
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Har du några egna argument med bäring?
Du är redan motbevisad på varje punkt, fler argument behövs inte. Du ör okunnig, illa påläst och ointressant. Men du är mer än välkommen att debattera o. Du lyckas ändra på det..
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2017-12-09, 23:16
  #32970
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Ursprungligen postat av Andy86-
Mer här,

The Inside Information That Could Have Stopped 9/11

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/23/information-could-have-stopped-911-299148.html
Och?
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2017-12-09, 23:22
  #32971
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Och?

Det visar varför det behövs en ny utredning som du säkert inte stödjer?, dags att börja stödja det!,

Om du missade den viktiga delen av citatet: "All these years later, no one has come up with a plausible explanation for why Alec Station would deny Rossini and Miller the chance to tell the FBI about dangerous Al-Qaeda figures coming into the U.S. “It’s looney,” said the former Alec Station CIA ops officer."

Kevin Fenton bok Disconnecting the Dots och peter dale scotts forskning visar också varför det behövs en ny utredning, du borde hålla med om detta ifall du har studerat deras material, men det tror jag inte du har gjort.
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2017-12-09, 23:28
  #32972
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Det visar varför det behövs en ny utredning som du säkert inte stödjer?, dags att börja stödja det!,

Om du missade den viktiga delen av citatet: "All these years later, no one has come up with a plausible explanation for why Alec Station would deny Rossini and Miller the chance to tell the FBI about dangerous Al-Qaeda figures coming into the U.S. “It’s looney,” said the former Alec Station CIA ops officer."

Kevin Fenton bok Disconnecting the Dots och peter dale scotts forskning visar också varför det behövs en ny utredning, du borde hålla med om detta ifall du har studerat deras material, men det tror jag inte du har gjort.
Jag har inget emot o. Nu så sätter igång 1000 utredningar, det som saknas är argument och bevis... hur går det för Hulsey t.ex? :-)
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2017-12-09, 23:33
  #32973
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Jag har inget emot o. Nu så sätter igång 1000 utredningar, det som saknas är argument och bevis... hur går det för Hulsey t.ex? :-)

Jag har inte sagt att den nya utredningen från början ska utgå ifrån att USA eller vem som helst låg bakom attacken, den ska bara granska all fakta som finns, och det finns fakta som stödjer att brott har begåtts av underrättelse världen i USA som är kopplat till 911.

Jag vet inte om du har sett Hulsey senaste presentation på youtube, men där visar han att de utsatte WTC 7 i deras modell för mycket värre förhållanden än NIST gjorde och de kunde inte få byggnaden att kollapsa ändå.
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2017-12-09, 23:39
  #32974
Medlem
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I den här tråden är ni inne på en massa skitsnack av vetenskap ni inte begriper. En idiot ser att allt är fejk. USA själva!

Vetenskap handlar i princip enbart om saker man inte ser. Det är verkligen få personer som kan se att aluminium har densitet på 2,7 isf är du släkt med Jesus själv. Att du anser att vetenskap handlar om saker man kan se utan att använda ett provlab för att göra tester och analysera resultet säger bara att ditt IQ ligger under din skostorlek.

Men BMG, bevisa på att allt är fejk. Jag håller inte andan.
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2017-12-09, 23:39
  #32975
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Jag har inte sagt att den nya utredningen från början ska utgå ifrån att USA eller vem som helst låg bakom attacken, den ska bara granska all fakta som finns, och det finns fakta som stödjer att brott har begåtts av underrättelse världen i USA som är kopplat till 911.

Jag vet inte om du har sett Hulsey senaste presentation på youtube, men där visar han att de utsatte WTC 7 i deras modell för mycket värre förhållanden än NIST gjorde och de kunde inte få byggnaden att kollapsa ändå.

Hulsey, det är ju som en parodi att han påstår saker och lägger fram sina förutfattade slutsatser innan han fullgjort sin ”transparenta” studie.. - jag har frågat tidigare men får inga svar...

Hur går det för Leroy Hulsey med WTC7-studien:
• som först skulle blivit klar i somras, men skjutits upp
• som skulle vara "completely open and transparent" men inte har publicerat någonting alls på hemsidan sedan 2015
• som fortfarande på hemsidan skriver att man kommer släppa en draft av rapporten till allmänheten - i oktober eller november 2017..
• som skulle avvakta de slutliga resultaten av undersökningen innan man presenterade några slutsatser men som i oktober höll föredrag där han presenterade att det inte kunde vara bränder som fick byggnaden att rasa - med samma powerpointbilder och exakt formulerade slutsatser som Leroy presenterade innan man startade undersökningen
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2017-12-09, 23:51
  #32976
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Du behöver inte läsa länkarna - citaten jag la in dumförklarar dig totalt...

Har du inga argument?

Hur kunde tre (3) byggnader kollapsa på det sätt de gjorde? Enligt dig. Enligt dig, med din slutsats, utan yttre påståenden och förklaringar.
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