2017-03-25, 09:00
  #97
Bannlyst
Du har definitivt inte läst hela Bibeln. Att frälsning skulle komma till all världens folk är ju uppenbart;

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Isaiah 56King James Version (KJV)

56 Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.


8 The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.

10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.

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7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

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Colossians 3:11King James Version (KJV)

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

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Acts 28:28King James Version (KJV)

28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

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Galatians 3:14King James Version (KJV)

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

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18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.

20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the Lord.

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the Lord, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth;

22 And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel.

23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

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Acts 14:27King James Version (KJV)

27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

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Isaiah 49:6King James Version (KJV)

6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

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Psalm 86:9King James Version (KJV)

9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.

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Isaiah 2King James Version (KJV)

2 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Finns många fler verser som talar om frälsningen till all världens folk.
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2017-03-25, 09:11
  #98
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Durcherrs
Det spelar ingen roll om det är ateister, "svarta israeliter" eller satan själv som redovisar att Bibeln enbart är skriven till Israel...

Försök att inse, att GT och NT kan vara olika på vissa punkter.

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Verserna och de korrekta översättningarna som stödjer detta har postats och det är upp till dig (och andra med avvikande åsikter) att motbevisa detta.

Aaah, så du tillhör den pseudo-logiska skolan: "Jag har rätt, tills jag är motbevisad".

(Lär dig elementär logik).
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2017-03-25, 09:14
  #99
Bannlyst
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18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.

20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
(Matt 12:18-21 KJV)
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2017-03-25, 09:29
  #100
Bannlyst
John 10:16 - And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

Isaiah 45:22 - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
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2017-03-25, 09:38
  #101
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Astray
John 10:16 - And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

Isaiah 45:22 - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Om din quotemining verkligen skulle vara representativ för GT ... OCH NT ..., vill jag bara påminna om den kontrovers som fanns om detta redan i den ursprungliga Jesus-rörelse.
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2017-03-25, 09:51
  #102
Bannlyst
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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Om din quotemining verkligen skulle vara representativ för GT ... OCH NT ..., vill jag bara påminna om den kontrovers som fanns om detta redan i den ursprungliga Jesus-rörelse.

Varför skulle den inte vara representativ? Jag citerar ju inte enbart enskilda verser utan även hela kapitel, så att allt kan förstås genom sin kontext. Det är helt uppenbart att stora delar av GT handlar om just frälsningen av all världens folk.

Det fanns ingen kontrovers om detta i "den ursprungliga Jesus-rörelsen". Evangelierna riktade sig till judar såväl som icke-judar.

Det skulle vara bra lustigt om det undgått historiens alla teologer och bibelvetare att Bibeln enbart riktade sig till judar minsann Men vilken tur vi har som har TS, full av visdom och kunskap, som kan visa hur det ligger till.
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2017-03-25, 10:00
  #103
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Om din quotemining verkligen skulle vara representativ för GT ... OCH NT ..., vill jag bara påminna om den kontrovers som fanns om detta redan i den ursprungliga Jesus-rörelse.

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Ursprungligen postat av Astray
Varför skulle den inte vara representativ? Jag citerar ju inte enbart enskilda verser utan även hela kapitel, så att allt kan förstås genom sin kontext. Det är helt uppenbart att stora delar av GT handlar om just frälsningen av all världens folk.


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Det fanns ingen kontrovers om detta i "den ursprungliga Jesus-rörelsen".

Jodå. Men det har du kanske "missad" i en för pådyvlande teister typisk selektivitet.
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2017-03-25, 10:02
  #104
Bannlyst
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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Jodå. Men det har du kanske "missad" i en för pådyvlande teister typisk selektivitet.

Belägg tack.

Verkar väldigt märkligt då samtliga apostlar pratar om frälsning till icke-judar. Även halva GT.

Men ge belägg.
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2017-03-25, 10:07
  #105
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Astray
Belägg tack.

Disputen mellan Paulus och (vad jag ser som) dom riktiga apostlarna.

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Verkar väldigt märkligt då samtliga apostlar pratar om frälsning till icke-judar.


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Även halva GT.

Men nu har jag redan påpekat, att GT och NT skiljar sig på vissa punkter.
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2017-03-25, 10:13
  #106
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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Disputen mellan Paulus och (vad jag ser som) dom riktiga apostlarna.

Det är inte ens säkert att den konflikten någonsin ägde rum. Dessutom var det en konflikt mellan Petrus och Paulus.

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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Men nu har jag redan påpekat, att GT och NT skiljar sig på vissa punkter.

Vilka då? Belägg tack.
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2017-03-25, 10:23
  #107
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Disputen mellan Paulus och (vad jag ser som) dom riktiga apostlarna.

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Ursprungligen postat av Astray
Det är inte ens säkert att den konflikten någonsin ägde rum.

Vilken källa användar DU?

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Dessutom var det en konflikt mellan Petrus och Paulus.

Peter var faktisk den av dom "riktiga" apostlarna som var minst Paulus-opponerande i denna konflikt.

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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Men nu har jag redan påpekat, att GT och NT skiljar sig på vissa punkter.

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Ursprungligen postat av atray
Vilka då?

Nja, bara en sån sak, att det i NT presenteras ett nytt fördrag.
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2017-03-25, 10:44
  #108
Bannlyst
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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Vilken källa användar DU?

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/Gal/Conflict-Antioch

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How could such a conflict occur between Paul and Peter after they had reached an agreement to support one another? Some early church leaders (Origen, Chrysostom and Jerome) could not believe that this conflict really occurred. They explained that Paul and Peter must have staged the conflict to illustrate the issues at stake.

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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Peter var faktisk den av dom "riktiga" apostlarna som var minst Paulus-opponerande i denna konflikt.

?? Nej...

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Ursprungligen postat av Bogomil
Nja, bara en sån sak, att det i NT presenteras ett nytt fördrag.

Japp och GT nämner flera gånger att i framtiden ska Herren komma med ett nytt förbund. Du är väldigt påstridig med att andra ska presentera källor och ange belägg men du gör det aldrig själv.
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