2014-09-01, 10:46
  #157
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I am not a member myself but the organisation collects member fees, sells books and nationalist items etc. As I understand the group has a lot of social activities, recently mounting climbing. You can check out their website, Nordfront.se, although it is temporarily down at the moment.

Ok, so lets say i bought a 450cc 4 stroke dirtbike, which i see as an important prepper-item to get around when fuel is either too expensive to buy or doesnt exist at all, rebuilt the engine to run on ethanol and i started producing cheap bioethanol in large quantities in a homebuilt destillery - more than i would ever need and therefore cheaper than taxed gas at the gas station, would anyone in the group want to buy the ethanol i dont need from me or trade in for something i do need? Could the group provide me with skills in gunsmithing if i need to change something on my rifle, are they interested in the moose meat i dont need if i want a thors hammer in gold someone else in the group makes? Could they help me getting wasteproducts from bakeries for my bioethanol project? Im not good at engines, can someone help me if my motorbike breaks down? Do they have apples i can trade in for eggs? Is this how the groups work? Thats how it should work.

And why arent you a member if you support them? Then obiosly, the group doesnt provide you enough incentives to join, which it should.
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2014-09-01, 11:18
  #158
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Jo eftersom psykförsvar, rättsväsen och frimureri konspirerar mot varje nationellt fritänkande och på alla sätt mörkar rikskatastroferna ända från mordet på G III till Palme så är detta i högsta grad en fråga för demokratin.
Du menar väl ändå mordet på Engelbrekt? Varför inte liksom? Han mördades av en i familjen Natt och Dag

Virrpannor som du är ju frimureriets främsta allierade: du påstår allt möjligt trams, vilket får folk att tänka på konspirationsteorier så fort frimureri nämns. Du är en av de som gör att frimurarna kan säga att de som angriper dem bara gör nonsensanklagelser.
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2014-09-01, 11:26
  #159
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Ok, so lets say i bought a 450cc 4 stroke dirtbike, which i see as an important prepper-item to get around when fuel is either too expensive to buy or doesnt exist at all, rebuilt the engine to run on ethanol and i started producing cheap bioethanol in large quantities in a homebuilt destillery - more than i would ever need and therefore cheaper than taxed gas at the gas station, would anyone in the group want to buy the ethanol i dont need from me or trade in for something i do need? Could the group provide me with skills in gunsmithing if i need to change something on my rifle, are they interested in the moose meat i dont need if i want a thors hammer in gold someone else in the group makes? Could they help me getting wasteproducts from bakeries for my bioethanol project? Im not good at engines, can someone help me if my motorbike breaks down? Do they have apples i can trade in for eggs? Is this how the groups work? Thats how it should work.

And why arent you a member if you support them? Then obiosly, the group doesnt provide you enough incentives to join, which it should.

When you realize HOW MUCH of your sweat that goes to PAY for immigration and your own extermination when you go to your 9-5 job, and how much of the price of an apple that ends up in the pockets of bankers (interest on loans, both government debt that you pay for trough tax, and private debt that you pay for when you buy it from the farmer, that have to charge you extra for the apple to pay off the debt he's in to the bankers), beurocrats and other leeches that work for them, then you will understand WHY a barter economy like i give you an example of here is so benificial for YOU!

In the "open economy", if you have an ordinary taxpaying 9-5 job, and buy at a shop, first you have to tax on your labour, isnt it close to half of your income in sweden? Then you go to a store, you pay vat-tax (sales tax). The store pay tax on all they're employees, and various business taxes. The folks that have sold their goods to the store, have payed tax on all the activity they have done, and so on. Most if not all businesses involved, are in debt to a bank, lets say each business involved pays 20% of they're income to the bank in interest, so they have to take in the cost by increasing the price with 20% before they sell it furter up the chain. This is why, when a farmer has sold a product like an egg, a kilo of wheat or a sack of potato from his farm, the price has gone up 10-fold when it ends up in the store where you go to spend your money. So lets say 8-9 out of ever 10 hours you work, goes to benifit a system that exploits you, while you yourself in real terms only get to enjoy 1 of those 10 hours for yourself. And now they are bankrupting sweden on purpose to rob you of your wellfare system aswell, all your taxmoney will go to pay off government debt in the years to come.

This is why building a seprate economy is so benificial. You dont pay a single fucking krona in tax for what you get FROM the group, or on what you produce yourself! You dont pay for peoples loans either. The only way would be indirect tax on raw mathereals, but if you can, there are often ways around that too, especially with help from a larger group where everyone contributes and benifits! 10 out of 10 hours you work, will go to yourself and your group.
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2014-09-01, 11:35
  #160
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Vilka belägg har du för det? Jag säger inte att du har fel utan jag är bara nyfiken på vilka indikationer du har. Själv är jag organisatoriskt obunden.
Övertagandet skedde på 80-talet och i nuläget fungerar SvP som en kontrollmekanism till SD och för att dra till sig en massa vänstertomtar för "motdemonstrationer".

Minns du det där uttalandet av polisen om att SvP skulle försvinna av sig själva om de inte får mediabevakning? Och har du märkt att trots det så får SvP inte bara skriverier om sina demonstrationer utan även tidningsintervjuer.
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2014-09-01, 11:37
  #161
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Du menar väl ändå mordet på Engelbrekt? Varför inte liksom? Han mördades av en i familjen Natt och Dag

Virrpannor som du är ju frimureriets främsta allierade: du påstår allt möjligt trams, vilket får folk att tänka på konspirationsteorier så fort frimureri nämns. Du är en av de som gör att frimurarna kan säga att de som angriper dem bara gör nonsensanklagelser.

Att mordet på G III anstiftades av frimurare är ingen nonsensanklagelse. I vilket syfte psykförsvaret sedan samverkar med frimureriet, mörkar riksangelägenheter och omöjliggör demokratisk debatt om saken borde vem som helst kunna fråga.
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2014-09-01, 11:37
  #162
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When you realize HOW MUCH of your sweat that goes to PAY for immigration and your own extermination when you go to your 9-5 job, and how much of the price of an apple that ends up in the pockets of bankers (interest on loans, both government debt that you pay for trough tax, and private debt that you pay for when you buy it from the farmer, that have to charge you extra for the apple to pay off the debt he's in to the bankers), beurocrats and other leeches that work for them, then you will understand WHY a barter economy like i give you an example of here is so benificial for YOU!

In the "open economy", if you have an ordinary taxpaying 9-5 job, and buy at a shop, first you have to tax on your labour, isnt it close to half of your income in sweden? Then you go to a store, you pay vat-tax (sales tax). The store pay tax on all they're employees, and various business taxes. The folks that have sold their goods to the store, have payed tax on all the activity they have done, and so on. Most if not all businesses involved, are in debt to a bank, lets say each business involved pays 20% of they're income to the bank in interest, so they have to take in the cost by increasing the price with 20% before they sell it furter up the chain. This is why, when a farmer has sold a product like an egg, a kilo of wheat or a sack of potato from his farm, the price has gone up 10-fold when it ends up in the store where you go to spend your money. So lets say 8-9 out of ever 10 hours you work, goes to benifit a system that exploits you, while you yourself in real terms only get to enjoy 1 of those 10 hours for yourself. And now they are bankrupting sweden on purpose to rob you of your wellfare system aswell, all your taxmoney will go to pay off government debt in the years to come.

This is why building a seprate economy is so benificial. You dont pay a single fucking krona in tax for what you get FROM the group, or on what you produce yourself! The only way would be indirect tax on raw mathereals, but if you can, there are often ways around that too, especially with help from a larger group where everyone contributes and benifits! 10 out of 10 hours you work, will go to yourself and your group.
Problemet med att allt är privatägt är att rättssäkerhet, eller rätt överhuvudtaget, inte existerar.
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2014-09-01, 11:38
  #163
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Att mordet på G III anstiftades av frimurare är ingen nonsensanklagelse. I vilket syfte psykförsvaret sedan samverkar med frimureriet, mörkar riksangelägenheter och omöjliggör demokratisk debatt om saken borde vem som helst kunna fråga.
Det är heller ingen nonsensanklagelse att Engelbrekt mördades av släkten Natt och Dag, vilka till och med på den tiden var medlemmar i föregångaren till det moderna svenska frimureriet. Men att det skulle höra hit är en annan sak.
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2014-09-01, 11:49
  #164
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Problemet med att allt är privatägt är att rättssäkerhet, eller rätt överhuvudtaget, inte existerar.

i agree, im not a capitalist so dont misunderstand what i say here... i want wellfare and aid to poor swedes, but you have to understand this is the reality we live in, and we have to deal with it. A tribe helps the poor though, so this is why im not just calling this a system d economy, but tribalism. A tribe that builds up its own system d economy, and where some of the income from the economy goes to make sure members of the tribe that can no longer work has a wellfare system to rely on, one that is not run by murderes and thieves.

system d:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/28/black_market_global_economy
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2014-09-01, 13:07
  #165
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Övertagandet skedde på 80-talet och i nuläget fungerar SvP som en kontrollmekanism till SD och för att dra till sig en massa vänstertomtar för "motdemonstrationer".

Minns du det där uttalandet av polisen om att SvP skulle försvinna av sig själva om de inte får mediabevakning? Och har du märkt att trots det så får SvP inte bara skriverier om sina demonstrationer utan även tidningsintervjuer.


Hm, låter lite väl konspiratoriskt för min smak. Det finns ju andra förklaringar till händelseutvecklingen också. Främst ligger det ju i rödingars natur att "kravalla" och MSM har alltid varit som besatta av "nazister". En del av de gamla skinnbuleföreteelserna kan jag dock tycka var suspekta och där vet vi ju från USA att ADL och liknande legat bakom skapandet av våldsamma nazigrupper. En hel del kritik har dock förekommit av Motgiftstrion och Ukraina-äventyret var ett stort frågetecken. Det jag kan tänka mig är att SÄPO vill bussa extremvänstern och SvP på varandra, men jag ser nog de föregående som de nyttiga idioterna i sammanhanget. Nåja, NMR har hängt ut frimurarna rejält så där tror jag nog det är fritt från dessa satanister. Intressant nog så är det ju NMR som SÄPO fokuserat mest på.
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2014-09-01, 13:40
  #166
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Det är heller ingen nonsensanklagelse att Engelbrekt mördades av släkten Natt och Dag, vilka till och med på den tiden var medlemmar i föregångaren till det moderna svenska frimureriet. Men att det skulle höra hit är en annan sak.
Mentaliteten och sättet att från slutna sällskap terrorisera omvärlden är säkert urgammal. I dagens läge har det blivit ett påtagligt hot mot demokratin som t o m statliga myndigheter spelar med i.
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2014-09-01, 13:49
  #167
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Hm, låter lite väl konspiratoriskt för min smak. Det finns ju andra förklaringar till händelseutvecklingen också. Främst ligger det ju i rödingars natur att "kravalla" och MSM har alltid varit som besatta av "nazister". En del av de gamla skinnbuleföreteelserna kan jag dock tycka var suspekta och där vet vi ju från USA att ADL och liknande legat bakom skapandet av våldsamma nazigrupper. En hel del kritik har dock förekommit av Motgiftstrion och Ukraina-äventyret var ett stort frågetecken. Det jag kan tänka mig är att SÄPO vill bussa extremvänstern och SvP på varandra, men jag ser nog de föregående som de nyttiga idioterna i sammanhanget. Nåja, NMR har hängt ut frimurarna rejält så där tror jag nog det är fritt från dessa satanister. Intressant nog så är det ju NMR som SÄPO fokuserat mest på.
Eftersom VAM också styrdes av frimurarna så... Ja ja.
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2014-09-01, 13:57
  #168
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well it was just ment for information, how "we" are being looked at

speaking for myself, im probably past caring but if i were to get a more optimistic outlook on life and ever to get involved in something again, it would have to be tribalism

im not a national socialist or anything like that, im not racist either, but im sort of a tribalist, meaning i have to feel some kind of pride in my heritage to thrive, and since all other minority groups use they're tribe to they're advantage (pakistanis etc are organized into families/clans that work together), i guess we'll have to look at that way of organizing too, if nothing else to our own advantage. Copy the jews or even biker gangs, basically.. kibbutz-building, build up an independent economy, your own wellfaresystem, maybe even get your own currency/banking system somehow if you manage to do it. You are too few for your own currency/bankingsystem now, but a tribe can start as a small unit. Nationalists already have lots of well-designed websites and you used to sell alot of records a while ago (that was a good start of a closed economy that could grow in size). And you got books, videos etc, but with internet piracy you have to figure out something new, namely physical things. Swedes viking heritage would make mead, viking food, vikingswords, knives, viking gold jewelry, bows, axes, tattoos, clothes and tshirts (remember Thor Steinar?), phonecovers, paint arts for cars and motorbikes, posters etc an alternative income source. I have yet to find a descently priced good looking thors hammer in gold i want to buy. Stop waiving the damn svastika and mix in politics, stick to heritage and tribe, open racism is less relevant, you can hate blacks and jews all you want, thats what tribes often do since they distance themselves from multiculturalism and blacks and certainly jews are no better (jews are the worst racists out there), a tribe fights for the interests of its own people, and you guys are after all the natives in sweden. The saami is considered aboriginees while swedes arent and cant fight for they're interests yet being disfavoured as employees, free speech etc trough statesponsored racism against swedens native population, point out the hypocrazy and racism against ethnic swedes in that.

You dont walk in my shoes, you dont know me or have not met me, i am not waving around any swastica at all, where do you get these ideas from? Its about species and race, we need to learn to thrive as seperate races and one species at the same time, my values are in science, enlightenment, martial art and spirituality. I dont fancy, vikingswords, knives, viking gold jewelry, bows, axes, tattoos, clothes and tshirts. Are you fucking kidding me? Is this your plan?

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the concept of an independent soveriegn nation state is dead, even if swedes somehow managed to throw out the immigrants, your country would still be run by the crooks that run the UN, IMF, WTO, EU etc, that own your banks, media and large corporations, they would crash your economy if you opposed them. They made sure sweden lets in all these immigrants, so what do you think they'll do if you throw them out? USA would probably nuke you on behalf of wall street, israel in fact have nukes aimed in on every major city in europe:

Well, id be glad if they tried, money is not my main concern anyway.

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Swedish nationalists take on it is the opposite of what you should be doing. Instead of trying to conquer sweden with a handful of infiltrated political parties to get those immigrants out, you should build up our own tight knit networks and economies. A society within the society, instead of trying to "save" the crums of an already dead society and system.

Main priority is to throw out zionist banksters and replacing goverment officials.

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Also, remember that a nation doesnt have to be confined to a specific region. A nation means a people, and people can pack up and move if thats what it takes. At some point sweden will be frozen over again, the ice age will come back, so within a few thousand years sweden as a geographical entity is over with anyway.

I like it here, have no intention of packing upp my stuff and leaving the borders, atleast what i am aware of. I like the clean water, i like the trees and i like the mountains. And i also fancy our technological advancement. Ice age? Tss, we have nuclear and other effective energy capabilities to substain an ice age. And also, i love ice, its shitloads of water.
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I am not talking only about Sweden i have to be honest about, but i do reflect most of my Swedish thoughts for the country. But in a more globalscale, im talking about the whole Europe basicly when i say that muslims and jews need to go home again.

Well on that we agree, muslims and jews needs to go home.
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