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Senast redigerad av Sandford 2014-02-27 kl. 17:38.
Senast redigerad av Sandford 2014-02-27 kl. 17:38.
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Det där gillade jag.
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Det är bara blaj vilket alla som läser uppropet ifråga förstår. Lite idealistiska ungdomar som kommer säga några meningar på andra språket, spela in det och lägga upp det på nätet, skulle bli förvånad om ens tusen pers deltar totalt (och hur ska man veta det?)
I grund och botten är det ett uppenbart försök av Maidan-rörelsen att försöka släta över slopandet av språklagen.
I grund och botten är det ett uppenbart försök av Maidan-rörelsen att försöka släta över slopandet av språklagen.
Det är huvudsaken att människor emellan kan enas, att vara sådär onödigt cynisk förstår jag mig inte på och ditt resonemang känns ganska ologiskt att "Maidan-rörelsen" skulle lite försynt stått bakom.
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Senast redigerad av raxmouse 2014-02-27 kl. 17:41.
Senast redigerad av raxmouse 2014-02-27 kl. 17:41.
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Det måste kännas skönt för dig att endast tro gott om gode gamle folkvalde Janukovitj och hans kommunistpartiunderstödda oligarkregim.
Särskilt nu, när han för nästan alla andra bedömare av läget förefaller vara ett ungefär lika trovärdigt och fräscht politiskt alternativ som...Ceaucescu.Du kanske rentav blir den siste renlärige Janukovitjlojalisten?
http://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/how-ukraine's-oligarchs-profited-from-the-regime-269030
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According to Chatham House’s Lutsevych, “it is fair” to describe the Ukrainian crisis as a result of the politics of pillaging. “Yanukovych and the rich would use public office to build monopolies and benefit from them,” she said. “Corruption in the Ukraine skyrocketed and corporate raiding increased.”
According to Olena Zakharova, director of the foreign policy department at the International Centre for Policy Studies in Kiev, “The Ukrainian economy has been pillaged by the oligarchs during all the years after independence, and this process reached its highest point during Yanukovych’s presidency.”
She added that “all the money flows were oriented to the ‘Family’ oligarchs, first of all Yanukovych’s son Oleksandr, young Family representative Serhiy Kurchenko, Yanukovych’s right-hand man Andriy Kliuyev, and others. The other oligarchs had to share their businesses and assets with the Family in order to survive and have the possibility to profit from the state budget, which has put the country on the edge of bankruptcy.”
According to Olena Zakharova, director of the foreign policy department at the International Centre for Policy Studies in Kiev, “The Ukrainian economy has been pillaged by the oligarchs during all the years after independence, and this process reached its highest point during Yanukovych’s presidency.”
She added that “all the money flows were oriented to the ‘Family’ oligarchs, first of all Yanukovych’s son Oleksandr, young Family representative Serhiy Kurchenko, Yanukovych’s right-hand man Andriy Kliuyev, and others. The other oligarchs had to share their businesses and assets with the Family in order to survive and have the possibility to profit from the state budget, which has put the country on the edge of bankruptcy.”
Jag tycker Maidanaktivisterna har ett befriande politikerförakt:
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21597974-can-ukraine-find-any-leaders-who-will-live-up-aspirations-its-battered-victorious
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A crowd of tens of thousands heckled the mainstream politicians and cheered those—about a third—who were nominated from their own activist ranks. “Shame!” they shouted when Alexander Turchinov, the speaker of the parliament (Rada) and acting president, appeared on stage.
“The only legitimate power today in Ukraine is the Rada,” he told the crowd. “You can criticise it but there is no other.” And he went on to assure them that whatever they thought of the government, they would not have to suffer it for long, with an election set for May. “This government is doomed. Three, four months and they won’t be able to work, because they have to make unpopular decisions.” He himself, he said, would step down once things had stabilised. The crowd was just as dismissive of Arseny Yatseniuk, who has been nominated for prime minister; he too said it was a “kamikaze government”.
The evening’s announcements made two things clear. One is that the government is going to be controlled by Yulia Tymoshenko, Mr Yanukovych’s archrival, who was in prison until February 22nd. She has no official post, but Mr Turchinov is her right-hand man and Mr Yastsenyuk is the leader of her party, Fatherland. More importantly, it demonstrated the level of Maidan’s mistrust of established politicians and its refusal to delegate the power it has won.
The appointment of the interior minister, Arsen Avakov, was actually vetoed by Maidan. Vladimir Parasyuk, one of the Maidan leaders, said: “As a citizen of Ukraine I won’t allow this. My conscience won’t let me.” He said the interim government had one night to decide, but it must present a new candidate. “Maidan will not disperse,” he went on. “We will be a controlling organ and they should know that if they betray us, we will come to each one of them and demand answers on behalf of our dead comrades—the heroes of Ukraine.” The crowd cheered.
The revolution which last week saw the overthrow of Mr Yanukovych, a corrupt, cowardly and thuggish president, has not yet been given a name.
“The only legitimate power today in Ukraine is the Rada,” he told the crowd. “You can criticise it but there is no other.” And he went on to assure them that whatever they thought of the government, they would not have to suffer it for long, with an election set for May. “This government is doomed. Three, four months and they won’t be able to work, because they have to make unpopular decisions.” He himself, he said, would step down once things had stabilised. The crowd was just as dismissive of Arseny Yatseniuk, who has been nominated for prime minister; he too said it was a “kamikaze government”.
The evening’s announcements made two things clear. One is that the government is going to be controlled by Yulia Tymoshenko, Mr Yanukovych’s archrival, who was in prison until February 22nd. She has no official post, but Mr Turchinov is her right-hand man and Mr Yastsenyuk is the leader of her party, Fatherland. More importantly, it demonstrated the level of Maidan’s mistrust of established politicians and its refusal to delegate the power it has won.
The appointment of the interior minister, Arsen Avakov, was actually vetoed by Maidan. Vladimir Parasyuk, one of the Maidan leaders, said: “As a citizen of Ukraine I won’t allow this. My conscience won’t let me.” He said the interim government had one night to decide, but it must present a new candidate. “Maidan will not disperse,” he went on. “We will be a controlling organ and they should know that if they betray us, we will come to each one of them and demand answers on behalf of our dead comrades—the heroes of Ukraine.” The crowd cheered.
The revolution which last week saw the overthrow of Mr Yanukovych, a corrupt, cowardly and thuggish president, has not yet been given a name.
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Senast redigerad av KaosnegerMedKlubba 2014-02-27 kl. 17:50.
Senast redigerad av KaosnegerMedKlubba 2014-02-27 kl. 17:50.
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Det måste kännas skönt för dig att endast tro gott om gode gamle folkvalde Janukovitj och hans kommunistpartiunderstödda oligarkregim. Särskilt nu, när han för nästan alla andra bedömare av läget förefaller vara ett ungefär lika trovärdigt och fräscht politiskt alternativ som...Ceaucescu.
Du kanske rentav blir den siste renlärige Janukovitjlojalisten?
http://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/how-ukraine's-oligarchs-profited-from-the-regime-269030
Särskilt nu, när han för nästan alla andra bedömare av läget förefaller vara ett ungefär lika trovärdigt och fräscht politiskt alternativ som...Ceaucescu.Du kanske rentav blir den siste renlärige Janukovitjlojalisten?
http://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/how-ukraine's-oligarchs-profited-from-the-regime-269030
Men det är väl knappast Janukovitj som stulit alla pengar själv?
Han är inte den enda oligarken, eller ens den rikaste.
Finns lika rika oligarker som stödjer proteströrelsen som har stulit ännu mera.
Just nu resonerar du som en 16 årig flicka som är till döds överygad om att det pappa berättat är sanningen.
Skall man vara lite objektiv utan att ta på sig en hejaklackströja så får man gott och väl inse att hela det Ukrainska samhäller är genomkorrupt, och var genomkorrupt även innan Janukovitj valdes till president.
Hans regering har med stor sannolikhet inte varit sämre eller mer korrupt än de som lett landet tidigare.
Dessutom en sak ja tänkte på igår när du vevade som mest. Krim var ryskt territorium från början av 1700-talet fram till 1956 när Chrustev med ett pennstreck la över det till Ukraina, en flytt som spelade mindre roll inom Sovjetunionen.
Det är alltså en hel del som fötts i Ryssland som Ryssar som nu drabbas av språklagar etc.
De är nog till stor del ryssar som fötts i ryska krim som protestearr mest.
Nej jag försvarar inte regimen här. De har absolut fog för att äntligen göra sig av med korrupta oligarker som drar ner alla i skiten. Men det blir löjligt att påstå att det handlar om en god och en ond sida i det här läget.
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