2000-07-13, 13:24
  #1
Medlem
Jag undrar hur många av de asatroende som bär Torshammare eller dylik nordisk symbol? Själv är jag aktiv Torshammar-bärare. Har någon upplevt positiva / Negativa pga sin Torshammare?
Citera
2000-07-16, 11:09
  #2
Medlem
Torshammare...

Jag var med om en lite "lustig" grej i Paris i början av 1990-talet...
Alltmedan jag strosade fram längs en gata så kommer en TOTALT sönderslagen grabb fram. Kläderna var sönderrivna och han hade inga skor. Ansiktet såg ut som om han gått igenom en flistugg. Han såg rent ut sagt förjävlig ut.

Han kommer fram till mig pekar på hammaren jag bar kring halsen och lyckades få ur sig något om att jag ska stoppa undan den.
Varför då? frågar jag.
Han berättade då att han själv haft en liknande hammare kring halsen fram till föregående kväll. Då hade han träffat ett gäng som p g a detta pekat ut honom som fascist och därefter försökt "leda in honom på andra tankar..."
Han linkade därefter iväg hemåt...

Jag följde inte hans uppmaning men han gav mig sannerligen en del att tänka på...
Citera
2000-08-15, 12:48
  #3
Medlem
Torshammare...

Är förvisso ingen troende, men bär Mjölner.
Citera
2000-08-24, 10:36
  #4
Medlem
Torshammare...

Jag har hört att Torshammare var en de symboler som skulle klassas som "hets mot folkgrupp" men förslaget röstades ner... Är det någon mer som vet någonting om detta ämne?
Citera
2000-08-27, 15:04
  #5
Medlem
Torshammare...

Tydligen så är det under vissa omständigheter (som när "nolltolerans" råder utanför "nazi spelningar" och demonstrationer) förbjudet att bära mer än EN Torshammare(!) Har hört om folk som bryskt blivit tvingade att sätta sin hammare innanför tröjan om de t.ex. haft en T-shirt med Torshammare som motiv "annars skulle de få se". Nästan lite lustigt måste man säga...
Citera
2000-08-29, 13:15
  #6
Torshammare...

Hur är det med uppochner-vända kors i halsband då? Är det olagligt, eller kan jag bära det utan risk?
Citera
2000-08-30, 01:17
  #7
Medlem
Torshammare...

Det är nog inget problem, men jag förstår inte varför man skall bära något sådant? Det är ju i sig bara en spegelbild av samma svinaktiga judiska tro...
Citera
2000-09-20, 21:58
  #8
Medlem
Torshammare...

"Mattias", du har fel.
Det uppochned-vända korset betyder inte djävulsdyrkan eller
någon spegelbild av den judiska tron, det betyder att man tar
avstånd från kristendomen.
På grund av det så kan djävulsdyrkare, asatroende och andra
som hatar kristus bära det uppochned-vända korset.
Tack för mig...
Citera
2000-09-26, 13:04
  #9
Medlem
Torshammare...

Skitsnack, läs detta och förstå...

666, the beast of the Apocalypse


By J.S./ © 2000 A.H.F


When judeo-christianity became the supreme power in Europe, the old gods
were degraded as being demons and devils. Worshippers of the old gods were
considered as being devil worshippers; on this ground thousands of men and
women were persecuted, tortured and killed.


We, modern heathens, are sensible enough to see through the propagandistic
lies of the Church, to go back to the authentic and the original.
Unfortunately not everyone is as critical. We can name the so-called
Wicca, wherein certain Germanic elements such as the cult of the earth
goddess are being used, but wherein many judeo-christian propaganda
elements left their marks.


The so-called Satanists take it a step further. They choose to reason in
the terms of the Church. One can be for or against the law of God,
Satanists choose to be against it in all aspects. They are not free in
their reasoning, when judeo-christianity makes a decree they are bound to
be radically opposed. The bible forbids bestiality, well now, to the
beasts they shall turn.


One of the symbols the Satanists use so proudly and extensively is the
so-called "Number of the Beast", "666". This number would represent evil
itself, the ultimate imperfection, three times the nearly holy number 7.
The drug addict "occultist" Aleister Crowley, from the beginning of the
20th century, called himself the "Beast 666" for example. All of this is
based on the biblical Apocalypse writings, where "the Beast" is called 666.


Satanists might think their own interpretation of the 666-issue is true,
the truth lies elsewhere. The key to this riddle lies in the bible itself:


"Now it all boils down to acuteness. One who possesses over insight, can
calculate the number of the beast. It appoints a man, and the number of
that man is 666." (Apoc. 13,18).


666 is, if we interpret the Apocalypse scriptures correctly, not a
symbolical name, but a code that reveals the true name of the enemy of
judeo-christianity. As with all ancient texts, text-and interpretation
criticism can help us. First it is important to date the text. The text
was published in 46-47, this is during the government of Emperor Claudius.
Throughout the text we find hostile references to the Roman occupier who
raised high taxes and imposed an emperor-cult; the document is clearly
written by a Jewish author. When we want to interpret the text, it is
important to understand the style of writing. The Apocalypse is written in
esoteric symbolic language; a literal interpretation is altogether wrong
en immediately rejects the interpretations of too obliging Satanists. When
we study an ancient text we must look for the meaning of the author but we
must also be able to understand the conventions of that time. These
conventions are bound to time and culture; not being acquainted with these
conventions may lead to aberrant decoding, misinterpreting the text.


It is a universal code to represent the enemy as a monster; this is no
different in the Apocalypse:


"I saw a beast emerge from the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, and
on its horns it had ten diadems, and on his head blasphemous names were
written. And the beast that I saw, looked like a leopard, and his paws
were like those of a bear and his jaws were like the jaws of a lion".
(Apoc. 13,1-2)


Satanists may conclude that their god has ten horns and seven heads, heads
that might represent Belial, Leviathan, Baphometh, Lucifer, Baal, Asmodeus
or Samael. But when we bear the already mentioned conventions in mind, we
will come to a whole other conclusion. The seven heads are nothing else
then the seven caesars of Rome, the ten horns supposedly refer to the ten
proconsuls or propraetors who had each one of the ten provinces op the
empire under their custody. The reference to the beast emerging from the
sea is not something the author made up, it is a memory of the victory of
emperor August Atonius at the sea battle of Atticum. The composition of a
leopard, bear and lion are symbols of the imperial power of Rome.


The Apocalyps continues: "And a mouth full of boasting and blasphemy was
given to him, and he was granted the power for 42 months on end." (Apoc.
13,5)


These 42 months correspond exactly to the length of the government of
emperor Gaius, who oppressed the jews.


All we need to do now is to understand the number 666. Some interpret the
number 666 as the numeral value of the Hebrew QSAR NRWN (Kaiser Neron).
This does, however, not correspond with the way the jews form a number;
666 would be spelled as TRSW. Should the beast 666 be Nero, then we have a
post factum prophety that refers to the fire of Rome. Nero would then be
the beast that devoured so many christians - unfortunately we are dealing
with a text specifically from the jewish tradition and not from the
christian one. Further on the interpretation causes more problems, such as
the reference to the seven caesars, which doesn't make any sense.


To solve this we must seek our refuge to the philology. 666 is written as
chi ksi digamma in Greek. Chi is 600, ksi is 60 and digamma is 6. Digamma
probably refers to the sixth caesar, while ksi refers to caesar or Kaisar
in Greek.


Thus 66 is the sixth caesar, but then what is 600? 600 must also be an
abbreviation. In Latin script 600 is equal to DC. D refers to Divus what
became nearly synonymous for caesar. In 42 before our time of reckoning,
this title was already granted to Julius Caesar. This honorary title was
granted by the senate as the result of the admiration of the people for
the emperor. This was no longer the case with Gaius, he claimed this title
as a right. When his follower Claudius did this as well, it became a very
humorous thing for the Romans. Claudius happened to be very ugly and
looked nothing like a Roman god. While the Romans might have enjoyed the
humorous irony of this, the Jews who were subjected to the imperial cult
certainly did not.


The missing C of DC can only refer to Gaius or Claudius. The enumeration
of the emperors tends to be a bit problematic when interpreting the
Apocalypse. One would start counting with August, followed by Tiberius and
then skipped less important emperors to end with Domitianus. In the
Apocalyps scriptures we also find a reference to "an eighth" who was one
of the seven. This ""eighth" is, of course, Octavianus who is also known
as August. Also in the book of Ezra he is mentioned as the second emperor.
The first one is Julius Caesar. When we check the list of six caesars in
this way, we end with the name of Claudius.


One can wonder why the reference to emperor Claudius is such a complicated
one. The Jews, both christian and orthodox ones, believed in the return of
the Son of Man during the rule of Nero, the seventh emperor. In the
Apocalypse scriptures they are spurred on to take revenge upon Rome:


"Repay her with equal coin. Rejoice her double what she has done wrong,
pour her a double measure in the cup that she has mixed for others. Give
her so much pain and grief as she granted herself splendour and luxury.
[…] Therefore on one day plagues will come to her, plague and grief and
famine and she will be consumed by fire. Because God, the Lord, who has
condemned her is strong." (Apoc. 18, 6-8)


"She", Rome, was indeed consumed by fire. During the rule of the seventh,
Nero, Rome went up in flames. Nero probably wasn't too sad about it,
because he wanted to rebuild Rome anyway - it's not improbable that he did
his share of the work and set a part of Rome on fire. The decadent and
hypocrite Roman he was, he blamed it all on the Jews of the christian
persuasion.


This is the true essence of the Apocalypse scriptures, it is not a
prophecy predicting events Satanists can rejoice upon, it is merely a
scripture of Jewish resistance fighters meant to incite to agitation
against the Roman occupier.


Literature


Somers (H.H.), Toen God sliep schreef de mens de Bijbel, 1990, Antwerpen
De Bijbel (Willibrordvertaling), 1978, Brugge
Rogiers (Jos), De Bijbel - het boek van de duivel, s.d., Asse
Nietzsche (Friedrich), De antichrist, 1997, Amsterdam
Citera
2000-09-26, 13:07
  #10
Medlem
Torshammare...

Jo, nu när jag tänker på det. När jag var yngre och jobbade i charken på en Konsumbutik, så blev jag av med jobbet för att jag bar torshammare :)
Citera
2000-09-26, 18:14
  #11
Medlem
Torshammare...

Jag får tillägga att jag inte heller bär Torshammare på jobbet (dold under klädsel), jävla dåligt att man kan förlora jobbet pågrund av Torshammare. Hade en invandrare förlorat jobbet pågrund av ett halssmycke så hade expressen / Aftonbladet gått igång på alla cylindrar! Arbetsgivaren hade blivit stämd och fått betala multum.

Det är vad jag kallar svensk demokrati!

Citera
2000-09-26, 22:15
  #12
Medlem
Torshammare...

Min kille har burit en torshammare fullt synlig natt och dag i tre års tid nu och inte en käft har reagerat negativt.
Kan de kanske vara så att det beror lite på vilka värderingar man är bärare av samtidigt?

/LadyC
Citera
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