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2008-02-11, 11:25
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Många förnekar att Iran är ett hot mot freden (speciellt i Mellanöstern) utan att hänvisa till källor. Men ställer sig aldrig frågan varför? Iran sponsrar terrorister i Palestina (Hamas och Islamiska Jihad), Libanon (Hizbullah), Irak (Mahdia Armén, AQ, Badr Brigade), Afghanistan (Talibanerna och AQ), Kurdistan (Ansar Al-Islam). Nu ska jag komma med så många källor för att kunna "bevisa irans hot" mot freden och deras stöd till terrorister runt om ivärlden. Iran är de land som sponsrar mest terrorister, från Libiyn till Afghanistan.

Det vi ska disskutera i den här tråden:
- Är om Iran är ett hot mot freden såsom många underrättelsetjänster i både mellanöstern och västvärlden försöker måla upp?
- Är det här endast falska anklagelser mot Iran för att göra en invasion möjlig?
- Finns det några bevis som pekar åt ett håll?
- Inte kurder och kurdistan


Inget ot accepteras i den här tråden, om ni inte tror på "anklagelserna" så vill jag att ni kommer med källor som styrker erat påstående.

Palestina:

Hamas

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U.S. officials say Iran mostly backs Islamist groups, including the Lebanese Shiite militants of Hezbollah(which Iran helped found in the 1980s) and such Palestinian terrorist groups as Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. A few months after Hamas won the Palestinian Authority (PA) elections in early 2006, Iran pledged $50 million to the near-bankrupt PA. The United States, among other nations, has cut off aid to the PA because of Hamas’ terrorist ties.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9362/

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Mahmoud Zahar, a founder of Hamas,
told the German newspaper Der Spiegel on June 22 that he had transferred large sums of money from
Iran. “I personally once brought $20 million from Iran to the Gaza Strip in a suitcase,” he said. “No,
actually twice – the second time it was $22 million.
” In December 2006, then-PA Prime Minister
Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas visited Tehran for meetings with Iran’s leadership. In a discussion with
Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, Haniyeh candidly said, “Resistance is the only solution
and the Palestinian government will never recognize Israel.”

http://www.aipac.org/Publications/AIPACAnalysesIssueBriefs/Issue_Brief_Iran_Terror.pdf

Finns mycket mer info om just det här, men lämnar Palestina stödet eftersom det är så uppenbart.

Libanon:

Hizbullah

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At the same time, however, Iran and the IRGC transferred massive numbers
of rockets to the Hezbollah to give them a capability to attack Israel in spite
of its barriers at the border.

These include some 10,000 short range, small Katyusha-type rockets with
individual launchers that have small warheads and ranges of 19-28
kilometers (12-18) miles that can only strike about 7-12 miles into Israel
unless launched right at the border.

http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/060715_hezbollah.pdf

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In total, thanks to support from Tehran, the
terrorist group Hizballah – which was created by Iran in 1982
as an offshoot of its military – has killed
more Americans than any group other than al-Qaeda. Hizballah has openly expressed its fealty to Iran.
Its 1985 platform states, “We obey the orders of one leader, wise and just, those of our tutor and jurist
who fulfills all the necessary conditions, [Ayatollah] Khomeini.”


The terrorist army’s efforts
culminated in the summer of 2006, when it killed eight Israeli soldiers and kidnapped two others,
sparking a war that lasted nearly five weeks. During that time, Iran provided Hizballah with critical
financial and military support and encouraged it to keep fighting.
Currently, Iran is working feverishly to replenish Hizballah’s arms supply for yet another round of
battle against Israel. Hizballah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah has boasted that the terrorist group
“could launch between 1,000 and 3,000 rockets daily” at Israel. Hizballah continues to receive
hundreds of millions of dollars from Iran each year
.


http://www.aipac.org/Publications/AIPACAnalysesIssueBriefs/Issue_Brief_Iran_Terror.pdf

Irak: (även den intressantaste delen - eftersom de sponsrar terrorister på båda sidorna).

Mahdia Armén:

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U.S. officials contend that Iraqi recruits from the Mahdi Army have traveled in groups numbering between 20 and 60 to Iran in a training program organized by the Quds Forces that dates back to 2004. Once inside Iran, U.S. officials say, Quds Force handlers transport recruits to training camps near Tehran. It’s there, allegedly, that Iraqi militia fighters hone skills needed to effectively use EFPs, mortars and rockets against targets in Iraq.

http://albayunji.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/iran-support-the-iraqi-militias/

Badr Brigade:

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The Badr Brigade was formed by the Iranian government to fight Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime in Iraq. Its members were drawn from pro-Iranian Iraqi Shia political and religious dissidents. The Badr forces fought alongside Iran in the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988). Before 2003, it was based in Iran for two decades during the rule of Saddam Hussein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badr_Organization

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London, Nov. 17 – The Badr Brigade who were accused this week of jailing and torturing their Iraqi opponents, along with their political front Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), are financed and run by neighbouring Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), according to a report on an Arab-language website, which said it had uncovered documentary evidence of financial ties between Tehran and the dangerous militia.

The report went on to describe kidnapping and assassination operations by uniformed police and Interior Ministry officials against individuals against Tehran’s influence in Iraq, adding that fatwas, or religious edicts, for the assassination of Iraqi personalities are issued by the office of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4461

Al Qaida:

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Also, during a raid in Khanaqin, Coalition forces captured a "liaison to al-Qaeda in Iraq senior leaders, who assists in the movement of information and documents from al-Qaeda in Iraq leadership in Baghdad to al-Qaeda senior leaders in Iran." Al Qaeda leaders such as Saif al Adel and Said bin Laden, Osama's son, are being sheltered in Iran along with an estimated 100 al Qaeda senior operatives.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/05/iraq_report_babil_awakening_al.asp

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En intervju med en terrorist från Islamic Army of Iraq, som berättar om irans kopplingar till Al-qaida:
(Länk). ------ väldigt intressant intervju

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" In an attempt to stave off a future incursion by the United States and to establish closer ties with Shi’a leaders in Iraq, Iran has embarked on a foreign policy of covert support and sponsorship for many different NSAGs in Iraq,including Shi’a, Kurdish, and Sunni groups, and other terrorist organizations linked to al-Qaeda"

http://fletcher.tufts.edu/al_nakhlah/archives/spring2006/gresh.pdf

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Ansar al-Islam is a radical Sunni Muslim group with its base in mountainous northern Iraq.

It draws its recruits from Kurds who oppose the US-backed Patriotic Union of Kurdistan party, according to US intelligence website globalsecurity.org.

The group, which is also known as Ansar al-Sunna, suffered a severe setback during in early 2003, losing many bases to the US bombing campaign.

In February 2004, it claimed responsibility for simultaneous suicide bomb attacks on the offices of the two US-backed mainstream Kurdish political parties.

The group's alleged leader, Mullah Krekar, has lived in Norway as a refugee since 1991.

The US has said Ansar al-Islam has ties to al-Qaeda - it has also accused Iran of giving support to the group
.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4268904.stm
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Här kan ni även läsa om vilka metoder Ansar Al-Sunna använder/använt sig av. Det är bland annat självmordsbombningar, halshuggningar m.m. Och det är just dessa Iran sponsrat med pengar och "utbildning".
Citera
2008-02-11, 11:29
  #2
Bannlyst
Fortsättning

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Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran, terrorism has served the regime of the ayatollahs as a tool of both domestic and foreign policy. This policy was directed against Iranian citizens inside Iran, as well as against advocates of opposition views in exile. Iran's sponsorship of terrorism has bridged ideological gaps and political divides; Teheran has provided arms and training to such groups as the Gama’a al-Islamiyah, the Egyptian al-Jihad, and the Algerian G.I.A. Al-Qaida too, has benefited from Iranian support and expertise for more than a decade. More recently, this support has taken the form of free passage for al-Qaida activists seeking to establish a foothold in Lebanon. There are also signs that al-Qaida has sought the help of Iran in deepening it involvement in Palestinian terrorism against Israel.


Matthew Levitt, an intelligence expert at the Washington Institute detailed the beginning of al-Qaida’s links with Iran:

According to U.S. intelligence reports, Osama bin Laden’s operatives approached Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) agents in 1995 and again in 1996, offering to join forces against America. In fact, phone records obtained by U.S. officials investigating the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania revealed that 10 percent of the calls made from the Compact-M satellite phone used by bin Laden and his key lieutenants were to Iran.[4]


Larry Johnson, a former State Department counter-terrorism expert says that bin Ladin was meeting with Iranian intelligence officials in Sudan at least a year before he left for Afghanistan in 1996.[5] Al Rahman Mohammed, who was arrested after the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, has since testified that a Hizballah official met with al-Qaida representatives in 1996 in Sudan, under the auspices of a Sudanese sheikh named Ali Numeini.


More recently, a former CIA official was cited by UPI as saying that al-Qaida relied on experts from Hizballah to build the shaped charge that badly damaged the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen in October 2000. UPI reported:

A U.S. government official told United Press International that the blast was a “cone-shaped charge” that used “moldable high explosives such as SEMTEX H,” shaped to create a high-speed, high temperature blast wave. During the first stage of the blast, the explosion “forces all the air out with tremendous force,” creating a vacuum, but as air rushes back in, it creates another tremendous force that causes further damage. “It’s a trademark of bombs made by Hezbollah and raises the question of the involvement of Iran,” he said. A former CIA official agreed: “We have to start looking at Iran’s involvement in the incident. The evidence warrants this.”

Iran aid to al-Qaida

Iran has also been reported to have provided safe haven to two senior al-Qaida fugitives, as well as to dozens of other mid-level al-Qaida personnel. There have also been reports that Iranian Revolutionary Guards assisted twelve al-Qaida commanders in entering Iran from Afghanistan to Iran.[8] An Arab intelligence officer was quoted as saying that some of these al-Qaida operatives were instructed to leave the country, but were told that “they may be called on at some point to assist Iran.”[9]


Israeli officials say there is evidence that some Iranian officials have allowed Al-Qaida to use the country not just as a transit point after escaping Afghanistan, but as a staging area. On 15 February 2002, Turkish police arrested two Palestinians and a Jordanian who entered Turkey illegally from Iran on their way to conduct bombing attacks in Israel. According to the police spokesman in Ankara, the three fought for the Taliban, received terrorist training in Afghanistan, and were members of Beyyiat el-Imam, a group linked to al-Qaida. Turkish authorities said the men had possessed fake documents, had diagrams for bombs and claimed that they intended to attack targets in Tel Aviv on orders from a leader known as Abu Musaab.

http://212.150.54.123/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=460

Det ni måste veta även om AQ är att det inte är en centraliserad organisation - utan mer en ideologi.
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Senast redigerad av Partizan 2008-02-11 kl. 11:35.
Citera
2008-02-11, 11:43
  #3
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Det här är patetiskt. Shia muslimer hatar sunni muslimer. Al-CIAda och Iran är som hund och katt. Dessa neo-con nonsense författare måste tro att man här totalt väck i huvet för att gå på deras bullshit om och om igen.
Citera
2008-02-11, 11:49
  #4
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jokers avatar
Exakt, varför skulle den legalistiska shiamuslimska islamiska republiken Iran stödja sunnimuslimska virrpannor som Al Q?
Citera
2008-02-11, 11:52
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Ursprungligen postat av al-ciada
Det här är patetiskt. Shia muslimer hatar sunni muslimer. Al-CIAda och Iran är som hund och katt. Dessa neo-con nonsense författare måste tro att man här totalt väck i huvet för att gå på deras bullshit om och om igen.

Jaså?, varför är ca 20% av "Awakening councils" medlemmar shia-muslimska klaner? Om nu shia och sunni hatar varandra. kom gärna med källor och skriv mer än en rad för att höja nivån på disskutionen.

Kolla gärna på Intervjun med en av ledarna bakom "Islamic army of Iraq", har länkat till den i tråden. Mycket intressant och sevärd intervju.

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The September 20 capture of an Iranian Qods Force - Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps commander in the northern Kurdish province of Sulimaniyah created a stir inside both Iran and Iraq.
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The Iranians swiftly closed the northern border, claiming the man was an Iranian trade delegation representative named Agha Farhadi on a sanctioned business trip. Multinational forces Iraq later identified the Iranian as Mahmud Farhadi. Today, Major General Kevin Bergner, the spokesman for Multinational Forces Iraq, disclosed that Farhadi was in fact the commander of one of the three Iranian commands inside Iraq.

"Farhadi was the officer-in-charge of the Zafr Command, one of three units subordinate to the Ramazan Corps of the Qods Force," said Bergner. "This Corps is responsible for most of the Qods Force operations in Iraq. As the Zafr Commander, he was responsible for all Qods Force operations in north-central Iraq that included cross-border transfers of weapons, people and money."

Farhadi has been independently identified by outside intelligence sources, and has a long history of operations inside Iraq. "Multiple sources implicate Farhadi in providing weapons to Iraqi criminal elements and surrogates of Iran," said Bergner. "We also know that for more than a decade, he was involved in Iranian intelligence operations in Iraq."

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/10/captured_iranian_qod.php

Edit: Vet du ens vad Al-qaida betyder?
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Senast redigerad av Partizan 2008-02-11 kl. 12:05.
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2008-02-11, 12:02
  #6
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Ursprungligen postat av joker
Exakt, varför skulle den legalistiska shiamuslimska islamiska republiken Iran stödja sunnimuslimska virrpannor som Al Q?


Varför skulle USA stödja Talibanerna? (som är helt och hållet emot USA ideologiskt). Antagligen av strategiska själv.
Citera
2008-02-11, 14:52
  #7
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jokers avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av Partizan
Varför skulle USA stödja Talibanerna? (som är helt och hållet emot USA ideologiskt). Antagligen av strategiska själv.

Du har faktiskt en poäng!
Dock, USA såg inte militant islam som ett hot mot sina egna intressen på den tiden man stödde Mujahedin i Afganistan. Snarare såg man militanta islamister som allierade i kampen mot kommunismen. För Iran är däremot Al Qaida en destabiliserande faktor i närområdet.

Om vi vill komplicera bilden ytterligare så har USA alltid varit polare med Wahabisterna i Saudi, som också stödde Mujahedin, men som Al Qaida vill störta.

Edit: Och Iran stödde USA:s invasion av Afganistan
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Senast redigerad av joker 2008-02-11 kl. 15:01.
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2008-02-11, 16:16
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Ursprungligen postat av joker
Du har faktiskt en poäng!
Dock, USA såg inte militant islam som ett hot mot sina egna intressen på den tiden man stödde Mujahedin i Afganistan.

Kriget i Afghanistan mellan ryssarna och talibanerna pågick mellan 1979-1988. Och USA stödde Talibanerna ändå till 1988, alltså endast 5 år efter att Hizbulla attackerade en amerikanskt bas i Libanon och dödade flera hundra marinsoldater och andra armétjänstemän. Så varför skulle Islamister inte vara ett hot?

Itället såg USA kommunismen som sitt största hot och valde att fortsätta stödja Islamister, det är ekvivalent med iraniernas fall där de ser USA som deras största fiende och väljer att stödja Aq efetrsom de är en mindre fiende.

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Ursprungligen postat av joker
Snarare såg man militanta islamister som allierade i kampen mot kommunismen. För Iran är däremot Al Qaida en destabiliserande faktor i närområdet.

Precis! Därför väljer de att stödja dessa för att området ska vara destabiliserat. Så länge Irak är instabilt blir en attack mot Iran omöjlig. Du får se AQ som en sort legosoldater. De var legosoldater på Zawahiris tid i Sudan och är även det idag.

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Ursprungligen postat av joker
Om vi vill komplicera bilden ytterligare så har USA alltid varit polare med Wahabisterna i Saudi, som också stödde Mujahedin, men som Al Qaida vill störta.

Realpolitik med andra ord.

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Ursprungligen postat av joker
Edit: Och Iran stödde USA:s invasion av Afganistan

Hade jag ingen aning om, kanske var ett pr trick från iranierna. För de fortsätter att sälja vapen och finansiera Talibanerna i Afghanistan.
Citera
2008-02-11, 19:32
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Äspens avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av joker
Nej det hade att göra med att man i Iran var trött på hur Talibanerna behandlade den shiitiska minoriteten i Afganistan. Talibanregeringen och Iran hade väldigt dåliga relationer.
Det var nära på att bli krig mellan Iran och Afghanistan 1997 (tror det var då iaf). Iran hade till och med mobiliserat trupper längs gränsen, men attacken avbröts innan den hade påbörjats.
Citera
2008-02-11, 19:33
  #10
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Med det rävspel Iran kör med hisballs och syrien och vill införa samma strikta islam i Libanon är man ju inte förvånad
Citera
2008-02-11, 19:51
  #11
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TrialByErrors avatar
fucdsystem får en tillsägelse för trams!

/Mod
Citera
2008-02-11, 20:03
  #12
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I samband med den här tråden startar jag den här tråden. Ta en titt:
http://www.flashback.org/showthread.php?p=9964183#post9964183

"United States of Americas kopplingar till Al-qaida och andra terrorgrupper"


edit:


För övrigt, finns det det direkta bevis från icke-amerikanska (/objektiva) källor som bekräftar att Iran ska ha hjälpt sina gamla wahhabitiska fiender Al-qaida och talibanerna - som iranierna har bekämpat redan då USA hjälpte dessa grupper mot Iran?
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Senast redigerad av Squattastic 2008-02-11 kl. 20:14.
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