2008-03-18, 21:48
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Ursprungligen postat av stanislav
Dieselmetoden är inte alls avfärdad eftersom ingen har lyckats reda ut huruvida det handlade om dieselmotorer eller bensinmotorer.
Ingen har lyckats påvisa att en enda jude "gasades" i Belzec eller Treblinka II, så diskussionen är i högsta grad "akademisk". Dock visar vetenskapliga rön att Gersteins "vittnesmål" om en dieselmotor som mordvapen är tekniskt omöjlig att försvara - en bensinmotor går dock att döda människor med, även om det finns betydligt mindre krångliga och effektivare sätt.
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Ångkammare - inte ens de tidiga polska rapporterna till exilregeringen i London skrev om ångkammare.
Du misstar dig - de hade flera andra varianter de ville "vittna om" också:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/3.html
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"---Likewise among the reports delivered to London on March 31, 1943, there was a report with the title "Charakterystyka metód Treblinki" (Characteristic of the Methods of Treblinka), in which three further murder methods were listed: shooting, trains with unslaked lime, as well as water vapor:[119]
"At the beginning of the so-called resettlement operation, when the technical preparations of the machinery of death were still not perfected, the Germans killed their victims in Treblinka in an extremely simple manner: a machine gun opened fire upon a crowd of men, women, and children who were brought forward, and they were shot down, each and every one of them. A crew of gravediggers threw all - the bodies of those killed, the critically wounded, as well as those lightly wounded - into the pits prepared up to that time and strewed them over with earth.
In August as well as the following months, as the acceleration of the campaign exceeded the possibilities of the steam chambers, the transports were loaded into cars, which were sprinkled with a layer of lime and chlorine, so that after the arrival in Treblinka, exclusively corpses of a violet-blue color were tossed out of the cars. All had suffocated under torment in the cars. For these transports (for example from Midzyrzec Podl., Kielce) Treblinka was but the place of burial. From this information it emerges that a punctual and precise execution of the drawn-up plan was important to the Germans. The methods described above were practiced when the capacity of the machinery of death in Treblinka was faltering. The teeth of the corpses pulled out of the steam chambers in Treblinka were examined. Gold teeth and bridges were extracted by means of dental instruments."---"
"At the beginning of the so-called resettlement operation, when the technical preparations of the machinery of death were still not perfected, the Germans killed their victims in Treblinka in an extremely simple manner: a machine gun opened fire upon a crowd of men, women, and children who were brought forward, and they were shot down, each and every one of them. A crew of gravediggers threw all - the bodies of those killed, the critically wounded, as well as those lightly wounded - into the pits prepared up to that time and strewed them over with earth.
In August as well as the following months, as the acceleration of the campaign exceeded the possibilities of the steam chambers, the transports were loaded into cars, which were sprinkled with a layer of lime and chlorine, so that after the arrival in Treblinka, exclusively corpses of a violet-blue color were tossed out of the cars. All had suffocated under torment in the cars. For these transports (for example from Midzyrzec Podl., Kielce) Treblinka was but the place of burial. From this information it emerges that a punctual and precise execution of the drawn-up plan was important to the Germans. The methods described above were practiced when the capacity of the machinery of death in Treblinka was faltering. The teeth of the corpses pulled out of the steam chambers in Treblinka were examined. Gold teeth and bridges were extracted by means of dental instruments."---"
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Sluta hänvisa till trådar i ett forum som mest handlar om hur förståsigpåare "tycker" saker utan substans.
Det är inte du som bestämmer huruvida någon vill referera till ofta initierade diskussioner om just de ämnen som för tillfället avhandlas här.
Du skulle inte ha någon möjlighet att hävda dig och dina ståndpunkter där, inte för att du skulle censureras, utan p.g.a. att du vet alldeles för lite om ämnet och försöker försvara det som intellektuellt och kunskapsmässigt inte kan försvaras. Stéphane Bruchfeld eller Henrik Bachner skulle inte heller kunna klara av att vinna någon debatt på ett forum där diskussionen strikt handlar om sakfrågorna och dodging är förbjuden.
Det är bara att tillrättalägga hans "vittnesmål" som det passar "Holocaustforskarna" ("han sade diesel men menade bensin" osv.), eller kanske som Poliakov gjorde ändra i Gersteins vittnesmål (alltså dokumentförfalska)? Mycket oseriöst att både vilja ha kvar Gerstein och ändå inte lita på hans "vittnesmål"...