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2025-04-22, 15:10
  #49
Medlem
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Kvalitet fre kvantitet. Dina trdar r inte kvalitativa. De r massproducerad hjrnrta. D fr du tolerera att mina bidrag till dem inte r ngon masteruppsats de heller. Det r merparten av alla er andra som hller s pass lg niv till att brja med.

Och Grangerillan str jag mig sjlv inte alls lika mycket p som dig.
Det finns inget som hindrar dig frn att skapa genialiska trdar.
Om Flashback hller fr lg niv fr ett geni som dig s finns det skert andra forum mer lmpade fr dig.

Jag tnker iallafall fortstta skapa trdar oavsett om det retar upp dig.
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2025-04-22, 15:18
  #50
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Det finns inget som hindrar dig frn att skapa genialiska trdar.
Om Flashback hller fr lg niv fr ett geni som dig s finns det skert andra forum mer lmpade fr dig.

Jag tnker iallafall fortstta skapa trdar oavsett om det retar upp dig.

Blanda inte bort korten nu. Det r du som r uppretad. Inte jag.

Och nej. Jag r inte p flashback fr att ska uppmrksamhet och vara en trdspammande hobbyhistoriker.
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2025-04-22, 15:25
  #51
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Men varfr fick den tyska orden rtt att sprida kristendomen med svrdet om omrdet redan var kristnet?

Kampen mellan ordensriddarna och Polen-Litauen gllde i grunden (precis som nstan alltid d krig frdes under den feodala epoken) kontrollen ver mark och handel. Det finns mngder med webbplatser dr man kan f information om Tyska ordens och Polens historia, men det r inte alldeles ltt att hitta textbitar som lyckas sammanfatta bakgrunden. Hr r dock ett par exempel.

https://historychronicler.com/the-ba...tonic-knights/
By 1385, the landscape of Eastern European politics transformed significantly with the Union of Kreva, where Grand Duke Jogaila of Lithuania wed Queen Jadwiga of Poland. Jogailas conversion to Christianity and subsequent crowning as King Władysław II Jagiełło of Poland established a personal union between Poland and Lithuania. This union consolidated their might and undermined the Teutonic Knights religious justification for their military campaigns against Lithuania.

The ongoing strife over territories like Samogitia continued to fuel hostilities. Despite the formal Christianization of Lithuania, the Teutonic Knights, led by Grand Master Conrad Zllner von Rothenstein, challenged the sincerity of Jogailas conversion, escalating the conflict to a papal court. Meanwhile, territorial disputes and control over vital trade routes via major rivers exacerbated the tensions, setting the stage for a decisive confrontation.

In May 1409, a spark in Samogitia ignited a broader conflict that would culminate in the historic Battle of Grunwald. A rebellion against the Teutonic Orders rule in this Lithuanian-held territory quickly escalated as Lithuania supported the insurgents. The Teutonic Knights threatened invasion, prompting Poland to declare its backing of Lithuania, further intensifying the situation. This mutual support laid the groundwork for larger hostilities, as the Orders Grand Master, Ulrich von Jungingen, officially declared war on the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania on August 6, 1409.
https://justmovingaround.com/2023/12...tonic-knights/
The Vistula River, a major waterway in the region, became a source of contention between the Teutonic Order and Poland. The two powers clashed over control of the lucrative trade along the Vistula. The revenues from those diversified activities contributed to the financial stability of the order, supporting their military endeavors and infrastructure projects.
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In 1386, Queen Jadwiga of Poland and the Grand Duke of Lithuania, Jogaila, married, consolidating two powerful states. The Teutonic Knights sought to maintain their dominance, while Poland-Lithuania sought to expand its influence and control. The imposition of tariffs on trade by the Teutonic Knights and conflicts over commercial interests further fueled tensions.

On the other hand, internal challenges within the Teutonic Order, including financial difficulties and discontent among the knights, weakened the orders position. The knights were divided over strategies, and some were critical of the Grand Masters leadership. These financial challenges were influenced by a combination of factors, including the cost of military campaigns, internal mismanagement, and external pressures. The traditional sources of financial support for religious and military orders, such as donations from nobility and the broader Catholic Church, began to decline. The orders attempts to extract resources and taxes from the local population led to tensions and resistance.

The Battle of Tannenberg in 1410 marked a turning point, as the order suffered a significant defeat against the Polish-Lithuanian forces.
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2025-04-22, 15:33
  #52
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Kampen mellan ordensriddarna och Polen-Litauen gllde i grunden (precis som nstan alltid d krig frdes under den feodala epoken) kontrollen ver mark och handel. Det finns mngder med webbplatser dr man kan f information om Tyska ordens och Polens historia, men det r inte alldeles ltt att hitta textbitar som lyckas sammanfatta bakgrunden. Hr r dock ett par exempel.

https://historychronicler.com/the-ba...tonic-knights/
By 1385, the landscape of Eastern European politics transformed significantly with the Union of Kreva, where Grand Duke Jogaila of Lithuania wed Queen Jadwiga of Poland. Jogailas conversion to Christianity and subsequent crowning as King Władysław II Jagiełło of Poland established a personal union between Poland and Lithuania. This union consolidated their might and undermined the Teutonic Knights religious justification for their military campaigns against Lithuania.

The ongoing strife over territories like Samogitia continued to fuel hostilities. Despite the formal Christianization of Lithuania, the Teutonic Knights, led by Grand Master Conrad Zllner von Rothenstein, challenged the sincerity of Jogailas conversion, escalating the conflict to a papal court. Meanwhile, territorial disputes and control over vital trade routes via major rivers exacerbated the tensions, setting the stage for a decisive confrontation.

In May 1409, a spark in Samogitia ignited a broader conflict that would culminate in the historic Battle of Grunwald. A rebellion against the Teutonic Orders rule in this Lithuanian-held territory quickly escalated as Lithuania supported the insurgents. The Teutonic Knights threatened invasion, prompting Poland to declare its backing of Lithuania, further intensifying the situation. This mutual support laid the groundwork for larger hostilities, as the Orders Grand Master, Ulrich von Jungingen, officially declared war on the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania on August 6, 1409.
https://justmovingaround.com/2023/12...tonic-knights/
The Vistula River, a major waterway in the region, became a source of contention between the Teutonic Order and Poland. The two powers clashed over control of the lucrative trade along the Vistula. The revenues from those diversified activities contributed to the financial stability of the order, supporting their military endeavors and infrastructure projects.
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In 1386, Queen Jadwiga of Poland and the Grand Duke of Lithuania, Jogaila, married, consolidating two powerful states. The Teutonic Knights sought to maintain their dominance, while Poland-Lithuania sought to expand its influence and control. The imposition of tariffs on trade by the Teutonic Knights and conflicts over commercial interests further fueled tensions.

On the other hand, internal challenges within the Teutonic Order, including financial difficulties and discontent among the knights, weakened the orders position. The knights were divided over strategies, and some were critical of the Grand Masters leadership. These financial challenges were influenced by a combination of factors, including the cost of military campaigns, internal mismanagement, and external pressures. The traditional sources of financial support for religious and military orders, such as donations from nobility and the broader Catholic Church, began to decline. The orders attempts to extract resources and taxes from the local population led to tensions and resistance.

The Battle of Tannenberg in 1410 marked a turning point, as the order suffered a significant defeat against the Polish-Lithuanian forces.

Och sen var ju ock Polen och Tyska korsfarare inte sllan ven allierade med varandra mot hedniska Vender och Balter.
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2025-04-22, 16:04
  #53
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Enligt Wikipedia kristnades Polen 1385, men att regenten kristnades r inte detsamma som att befolkningen i vrigt blev kristna.
Oavsett vilket borde Tyska orden frlorat sitt pvliga mandat att sprida kristendomen nr omrdet redan var kristnat.

In 1385, Grand Duke Jogaila of Lithuania proposed to marry reigning Queen Jadwiga of Poland in the Union of Kreva. Jogaila converted to Christianity and was crowned as the King of Poland thus creating a personal union between the Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

Sedan mste jag gratulera dig till din hrliga atityd nr du kallar mig en " pse ntter" nr jag stller en frga p ett debattforum.
En frga som dessutom inte har ett s glasklart svar som du inbillar dig.

Det var Litauen som "kristnades" nr Jogaila dptes.

Det hindrade inte Tyska Orden att slss dr, och senare ven mot det samlade Polen-Litauen.

Eftersom bossarna nu var kristna kunde orden utan problem slss tillsammans med litauer. Ett av frmodligen flera exempel r belgringen av Vilnius 1390. Dr Vytautas den store och tyskarna slogs mot en koalition ledd av en som heter Skirgaila och var regent i Litauen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vilnius_(1390)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skirgaila
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2025-04-22, 16:29
  #54
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Det var Litauen som "kristnades" nr Jogaila dptes.

Det hindrade inte Tyska Orden att slss dr, och senare ven mot det samlade Polen-Litauen.
Ja , jag lste lite fort dr.
Verkar som att tyska orden var duktiga p att skaffa fiender vilket kan vara dumt nr man r en order av krigarmunkar som lever i celibat, det br rimligtvis gra att tervxten av nya medlemmar blir begrnsad.
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2025-04-22, 17:14
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Ja , jag lste lite fort dr.
Verkar som att tyska orden var duktiga p att skaffa fiender vilket kan vara dumt nr man r en order av krigarmunkar som lever i celibat, det br rimligtvis gra att tervxten av nya medlemmar blir begrnsad.

De var ju kristna krigarmunkar. Dr har du frklaringen. Kristendomen r en personlighetsstrning och dess historia en enda lng kognitiv dissonans.
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