det är desinformation som sprids av ryska staten och du är en nyttig idiot som sprider den vidare.
Det är redan visat att planet var påväg från Belgorod i nord östlig riktning. Dagen innan hade den flugit från Iran till Belgorod förmodligen med vapen.
Nåja, man få ju naturligtvis ta det med en stor nypa salt men är alltid intressant att läsa hur Ryssen ser på det. Speciellt nu när vi egentligen inget vet faktiskt. RT rapporterar ju även vad Ukraina hävdar så ser inget konstigt i den rapporteringen alls.
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Senast redigerad av needAlife 2024-01-24 kl. 20:07.
det är desinformation som sprids av ryska staten och du är en nyttig idiot som sprider den vidare.
Det är redan visat att planet var påväg från Belgorod i nord östlig riktning. Dagen innan hade den flugit från Iran till Belgorod förmodligen med vapen.
Jo man får nog räkna med att det där stämmer, för inte tjänar ryssarna så mycket på att hitta på det där.
Men vad tros om följande scenario.
* Fångutväxling ska ske.
* Ukraina skjuter ned plan med dyr utrustning ombord. Dock inga fångar. Varför skulle man transportera fångar från Belgorod... dessutom i ett plan som är dyrt i drift och inte enklare alternativet med tåg/motorfordon?
* Ryssarna blir pissed för att planet gått ned precis innan fångutväxlingen och ställer in denna.
* Man fabricerar en lögn om att det inte blir någon utväxling då fångarna var på planet och är döda och svartmålar Ukraina som har ihjäl sina egna.
* Ev. har man ihjäl ett gäng ukrainska krigsfångar och låtsas att dessa var på planet.
Min teori också.
Uttalandet av Ukrainas säkerhetstjänst HUR antyder att de inte vet vad planet transporterade.
det är desinformation som sprids av ryska staten och du är en nyttig idiot som sprider den vidare.
Det är redan visat att planet var påväg från Belgorod i nord östlig riktning. Dagen innan hade den flugit från Iran till Belgorod förmodligen med vapen.
Du får visa belägg för att det är falsk information annars är det du är den nyttiga idioten.
Vart är kan man se planets planerade väg från Belgorod till utväxlingsplatsen, har du flightplan att visa?
Men vad tros om följande scenario.
* Fångutväxling ska ske.
* Ukraina skjuter ned plan med dyr utrustning ombord. Dock inga fångar. Varför skulle man transportera fångar från Belgorod... dessutom i ett plan som är dyrt i drift och inte enklare alternativet med tåg/motorfordon?
* Ryssarna blir pissed för att planet gått ned precis innan fångutväxlingen och ställer in denna.
* Man fabricerar en lögn om att det inte blir någon utväxling då fångarna var på planet och är döda och svartmålar Ukraina som har ihjäl sina egna.
* Ev. har man ihjäl ett gäng ukrainska krigsfångar och låtsas att dessa var på planet.
Du får visa belägg för att det är falsk information annars är det du är den nyttiga idioten.
Vart är kan man se planets planerade väg från Belgorod till utväxlingsplatsen, har du flightplan att visa?
”Nyttig idiot” är ett ryskt begrepp för västerlänningar som hjälper till att sprida och främja ryska intressen och desinformation. Du är definitionen av vad ryssarna skulle kalla en ”nyttig idiot”
Varsågod här är en mycket tydligt video som går igenom och geoplacera flygplanet, vilken rutt den var på väg, vart den varit, han går också igenom listan som Ryssland uppgett och visar att den är falsk.
Finns rätt mycket information om vad man vet än så länge på RT.com
Deadly IL-76 crash: What we know so far
A military aircraft carrying 65 Ukrainian POWs came down in Russia’s Belgorod Region, killing all passengers on board
Deadly IL-76 crash: What we know so far
The Russian IL-76 heavy transport plane was carrying 65 captured Ukrainian military personnel when it crashed in Belgorod Region some 90km (55 miles) from the Ukrainian border. The Russian Defense Ministry has claimed that the aircraft was brought down by Kiev’s forces.
Here is what we know so far about what happened.
The plane crash
On Wednesday at 11:15 Moscow time, reports came in that an IL-76 military transport plane carrying Ukrainian POWs had crashed and exploded in a field near the village of Yablonovo in the Korochansky district of Belgorod Region, which neighbors Ukraine.
Belgorod plane attack: Kiev deliberately shot down plane carrying its POWs, Moscow says
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Belgorod plane attack: Kiev deliberately shot down plane carrying its POWs, Moscow says
Several people captured footage of the crash and shared videos of the incident on social media.
According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the plane was flying from the Chkalovsky airfield to Belgorod and was transporting the Ukrainian personnel for a prisoner swap with Kiev. Aside from the POWs, there were also six crew members and three accompanying personnel.
All those on board the aircraft were killed in the crash, according to the governor of Belgorod Region, Vyacheslav Gladkov. However, the crash did not cause any damage to structures or people on the ground, landing five to six kilometers from the nearest village.
According to Russian officials, another plane carrying an additional 80 Ukrainian POWs was also in the air at the time of the incident. After the first plane crashed, the second aircraft was diverted, according to MP Andrey Kartapolov.
What was the cause?
Following the incident, the Russian Defense Ministry released a statement accusing Kiev’s forces of shooting down the plane using an anti-aircraft missile system. The ministry claimed that Russia’s Aerospace Forces radars recorded the launch of two Ukrainian missiles from the village of Liptsy in Kharkov Region.
The ministry has also stated that the Ukrainian side was informed of the flight ahead of time and was aware that it was carrying POWs, noting that the prisoner exchange was supposed to take place later in the afternoon at the Kolotilovka checkpoint.
Ukrainian media reports
Shortly after the crash, the Ukrainian media outlet Ukrainskaya Pravda released a report claiming that it had received confirmation from Kiev's military that the its forces had shot the plane down and that it had been told that the aircraft was believed to be carrying S-300 missiles.
Shortly after, however, the outlet redacted that statement, stating only that Kiev had confirmed that it was aware of the plane crash but could not confirm it was carrying Ukrainian POWs.
Meanwhile, other Western media outlets such as US-state funded Radio Liberty have confirmed from sources within the Kiev government that a prisoner exchange with Russia was indeed scheduled for Wednesday, but no further comments have been provided.
Kiev’s intelligence
A representative of the Ukrainian Intelligence Service, Andrey Yusov, has also confirmed the scheduled prisoner exchange.
Meanwhile, the Ukrainian Coordination Headquarters for matters regarding prisoners of war has refused to confirm the planned swap, only stating that it was “collecting and analyzing all the necessary information” while urging the media and its citizens to refrain from speculating on the incident. The body also noted that Russia is “actively carrying out special information operations” aimed at destabilizing Ukrainian society.
Russia’s reaction
The head of Russia’s State Duma Defense Committee, Andrey Kartapolov, has suggested that the IL-76 was shot down using Western Patriot or Iris-T air defense missiles. He has also proposed calling off any further prisoner swap negotiations with Kiev and insisted that Ukraine should officially be branded a terrorist state and its government a terrorist cell.
Kiev attack on POW plane ‘insane barbarism’ – Moscow
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Kiev attack on POW plane ‘insane barbarism’ – Moscow
State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin has called on Russian lawmakers to make a formal address to the US and Germany, urging them to stop actively supporting the “Nazi regime” in Kiev, which has stooped to killing its own POWs.
Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry stated that Kiev had once again “shown its true colors” by committing this “terrorist act” against its own citizens in an attempt to slander Moscow's forces.
The Russian Foreign Ministry has said that this act of “mindless barbarism” puts into question the possibility of reaching future agreements with Kiev, noting that “there is no doubt” that the Ukrainian authorities will eventually violate any guarantees that they give.
The ministry also stressed that the regime of Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, which was propped up by the US and its NATO allies, has once again proven to be a threat not only to Russia, but to “Ukraine itself, its citizens and the whole world.”
Former Russian President and current deputy chairman of the National Security Council Dmitry Medvedev has suggested that the downing of the IL-76 may have been the result of internal political turmoil between “neo-Nazi elites in Kiev.” He suggested that “it’ll be even worse in the future” as the Ukrainian government will continue slaughtering its own troops and POWs and bombing its own cities to protect its power and money.
Ukraine has used “measures of destruction” against Russian transport aircraft in Belgorod Region and will continue to do so, the General Staff in Kiev said on Wednesday after an Il-76 carrying Ukrainian prisoners was shot down.
The transport crashed at 11:15am local time in the Korochansky district, about 90 km (55 miles) from the border. Initial reports in Ukrainian media, since deleted, claimed that Ukrainian forces had shot it down because it had been carrying S-300 missiles.
In a Facebook post on Wednesday evening, the Ukrainian General Staff accused Russia of “terror” attacks on Kharkov and said the “recorded intensity of shelling is directly related to the increase in the number of military transport aircraft that have been heading to Belgorod airport in recent times.”
”In order to reduce the missile threat, the Armed Forces of Ukraine not only control the airspace, but also track in detail the rocket launch points and the logistics of their supply, especially with the use of military transport aviation,” the General Staff said, adding that AFU will “continue to use measures of destruction of means of delivery and airspace control to eliminate the terrorist threat.”
Deadly IL-76 crash: What we know so far
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Deadly IL-76 crash: What we know so far
According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the plane was transporting 65 Ukrainian POWs, who were scheduled to be exchanged later in the day at the Kolotilovka checkpoint. Ukraine was informed of the flight in advance, so the military in Kiev knew it was carrying POWs, the Russian military said. Another plane with 80 more prisoners turned around after the first transport was struck and landed safely.
Russian radars detected the launch of two missiles from the village of Liptsy in Ukraine’s Kharkov Region. Six crew members and three Russian soldiers on board the IL-76 were killed along with the 65 Ukrainian captives.
”By committing this terrorist act, the Ukrainian leadership showed its true face, disregarding the lives of its citizens,” the Russian military said.
This would not be the first time Ukraine has targeted its own POWs in Russian custody. In August 2022, Ukrainian artillery used US-supplied HIMARS launchers for a rocket strike on a penal colony in Yelenovka, in the Donetsk People’s Republic. The facility housed almost 200 prisoners from the notorious neo-Nazi ‘Azov’ unit, who had surrendered in Mariupol several months prior. The missile strike killed 50 of them and wounded another 73. Russian authorities later revealed that the location was known to the Ukrainians because the government in Kiev had requested to have the prisoners moved there.
Någon top propagandaist från RT lade upp en bild på en lista med påstådda ukrainska krigsfångar som skulle utbytas, problemet var att ett flertal har redan blitt utbytta i början av januari
Någon top propagandaist från RT lade upp en bild på en lista med påstådda ukrainska krigsfångar som skulle utbytas, problemet var att ett flertal har redan blitt utbytta i början av januari
Jo man får nog räkna med att det där stämmer, för inte tjänar ryssarna så mycket på att hitta på det där.
Ryssarna har allt att tjäna på att sprida lögnen om dödade ukrainska fångar. Detta var 3e större transportplanet som blev nedskjutet på 3 dagar. Ryssarna håller på att tappa förmågan att göra luftburna transporter till fronten.
Det är skämmigt att en av världens största armér får sina transportplan nedskjutna av ett u-land. Detta är ett sätt att flytta fokus och underminera ukrainsk moral.
