Började lusläsa lite på drugs-forum om 2-fa. Visst vet vi alla att RCs är pretty damn idiotiskt att stoppa i sig egentligen, men i just det här fallet tyckte jag att det var värt att starta en tråd på flashback.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175262
4-fa, 2-fa och andra droger i samma kategori (jag kan inte riktigt kemin..) delar i princip samma molekylära struktur som Para-chloroamphetamine.
Ett lite mindre dramatisk, men ändå oroväckande inlägg längre ner i tråden.
Tänkte att det vore på sin plats med en tråd där vi kan diskutera risker och där folk kan berätta om upplevda bieffekter etc. Alltid bra att sånt görs i ett tidigt skede. Eftersom detta i viss mån gäller alla x-fa (Halogenerade amfetaminer) så tyckte jag att det passade med en egen tråd. Oavsett så tycker jag att sådana här diskussioner inte förjänar att tas i samma tråd där folk berättar om helgens äventyr och hur bänga dom var.
Update: Lite mer positiv läsning senare i samma tråd. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1077166&postcount=34
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175262
4-fa, 2-fa och andra droger i samma kategori (jag kan inte riktigt kemin..) delar i princip samma molekylära struktur som Para-chloroamphetamine.
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Para-chloroamphetamine is used to selectively KILL (yes, kill) serotonin neurons in the brain in labs around the world. It is MUCH more toxic than MDMA or Amphetamine.
Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175262#ixzz1jkHKYczO
Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175262#ixzz1jkHKYczO
Ett lite mindre dramatisk, men ändå oroväckande inlägg längre ner i tråden.
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Well, you are lucky in the sense that the rough (conservative) calculation shows that 4-CA equivalent toxicity would start in the 500mg to 1000mg and higher level of dosing, and the neurotoxicity threshold of 4-FA could be significantly higher. Most people are doing less than that.
But of course, neurotoxins are dose-dependent and exposure-dependent. Obviously 4-FA is not as toxic as MPTP otherwise we'd see 24 year olds with some wierd serotonin-version of Parkinsons. The risk is that this is something more subtle or something which is cumulative. You do not want to be the person who discovers that 4-FA is toxic after developing a daily habit for 10 years.
You will probably be fine if your use was moderate and short term. The brain has a remarkable ability to recover as long as it's damage control systems are not overwhelmed (as is the case with the more severe neurotoxins like MPTP).
Just stay off the 4-FA and related halogenated amphetamine crap. You are much safer with more conventional stimulants with proven track record and more reasonable (and known/studied) toxicity profiles.
So don't worry too much if you feel okay now; just stay away from it unless you are certain it's not toxic. I suspect it's toxic like its cousin 4-CA, that's why I'm warning people to avoid it. Hell even cocaine is safer.
But of course, neurotoxins are dose-dependent and exposure-dependent. Obviously 4-FA is not as toxic as MPTP otherwise we'd see 24 year olds with some wierd serotonin-version of Parkinsons. The risk is that this is something more subtle or something which is cumulative. You do not want to be the person who discovers that 4-FA is toxic after developing a daily habit for 10 years.
You will probably be fine if your use was moderate and short term. The brain has a remarkable ability to recover as long as it's damage control systems are not overwhelmed (as is the case with the more severe neurotoxins like MPTP).
Just stay off the 4-FA and related halogenated amphetamine crap. You are much safer with more conventional stimulants with proven track record and more reasonable (and known/studied) toxicity profiles.
So don't worry too much if you feel okay now; just stay away from it unless you are certain it's not toxic. I suspect it's toxic like its cousin 4-CA, that's why I'm warning people to avoid it. Hell even cocaine is safer.
Tänkte att det vore på sin plats med en tråd där vi kan diskutera risker och där folk kan berätta om upplevda bieffekter etc. Alltid bra att sånt görs i ett tidigt skede. Eftersom detta i viss mån gäller alla x-fa (Halogenerade amfetaminer) så tyckte jag att det passade med en egen tråd. Oavsett så tycker jag att sådana här diskussioner inte förjänar att tas i samma tråd där folk berättar om helgens äventyr och hur bänga dom var.
Update: Lite mer positiv läsning senare i samma tråd. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1077166&postcount=34
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Still going over these, but Tech_House's assessment agrees with what I've found that these analogs may not be nearly as dangerous as the OP (änglisch för TS) originally proposed.
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Senast redigerad av Utopia. 2012-01-17 kl. 20:42.
Senast redigerad av Utopia. 2012-01-17 kl. 20:42.
) o ja tänker nog inte köpa så mycket mer av denna substans.