[WW2] - De "rikstyska" koncentrationslägren

Eftersom jag är vad som på Flashback brukar kallas en "strukturfascist" , dvs. en som vill ha ordning och reda i diskussionerna, anser jag att det behövs en specifik tråd om KZ-lägren på "rikstysk" mark, alltså Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau osv. Känn er fria att lägga fram och analysera kända fakta och bevisade propagandalögner om dessa läger.

De outtröttliga upplysningsmännen och pionjärforskarna Carlo Mattogno och Jürgen Graf har skrivit en monografi om det föga uppmärksammade lägret Stutthof:

http://vho.org/tr/2004/1/Dixon95-97.html

"Among the concentration camps of National Socialist Germany, Stutthof has remained something of a stepchild. Established near Danzig at the start of the Second World War (and under Polish control since the end of that war), the Stutthof camp is smaller and more remote than Dachau or Buchenwald, and far less notorious than Auschwitz or Majdanek. Partisans of the Holocaust extermination thesis concede that fewer Jews died there than at the major alleged extermination camps, although none of them has contested the anomalous claim that Stutthof had a gas chamber, which allegedly dispatched Jews and other inmates during a few months in 1944. Thus, Stutthof has to date been little studied by either orthodox historians of the Holocaust or by their revisionist challengers.

Revisionist historians Jürgen Graf and Carlo Mattogno have remedied this with their concise but substantive study Concentration Camp Stutthof and Its Function in the National Socialist Jewish Policy. The two are patient researchers and careful scholars, noted for their diligence in seeking out records and for their ability, as gifted linguists, to read documents in a variety of languages foreign to most Western historians, including Russian, Hungarian, and Polish. The last of these, of course, is the key to postwar scholarship (such as it is) on Stutthof, because official Polish historians have long been the custodians of what records survive from the camp, and have generated nearly all the literature on its history.---

More emphatically than most revisionists, the authors concede – and deplore – the high death rates and sometimes brutal treatment that was the lot of camp inmates. They credit the accusation that some unwell inmates, at least, were killed by lethal injection. As the authors write in their conclusion, their "research in no way trivializes the actual sufferings of Stutthof inmates" or denigrates the memory of those who actually died in the camp.

Reasonable persons might think that such sentiments could provide common ground for revisionists and ‘exterminationists,’ and in a reasonable age Graf and Mattogno might have concluded their study a third of the way through. Given the miasma of unreason that cloaks the history of the Second World War, the authors are compelled to present and examine at some length the official history of the camp as presented in the writings of officials of the postwar Stutthof museum and other functionaries.

The authors have little difficulty in showing that the official version of Stutthof’s history is based not on careful examination and dispassionate evaluation of the best evidence available, but rather on those rumors and inventions of the inmates that serve best to impute malicious intent and murderous deeds to the German authorities. That many of Stutthof’s historians were themselves detained there and that most of the place’s historians spent decades as exponents and guardians of a historical orthodoxy that formed part of the state communist ideology would lead any observer to suspect their objectivity; reading the substantial swatches of their version of Stutthof’s history reproduced in Concentration Camp Stutthof is enough to confirm the strongest suspicions.---"

Läs om fallet Hellmut Diwald, om ni inte känner till det sedan tidigare eller kanske rentav läst hans verk! Diwald, Ernst Nolte och Joachim Hoffmann är några av de få tyska historieprofessorer som under de senaste decennierna betett sig rakryggat och så gott det går i en hysterisk och inkvisitorisk epok försökt leva upp till de stränga krav historievetenskapen (som uppstod tack vare tyska artonhundratalshistoriker som Niebuhr, Droysen, von Ranke, Mommsen och Burckhardt) ställer på historikern: objektivitet, sanningslidelse, integritet, obeveklig källkritik:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n6p16_Diwald.html

"---Thus, the victorious Allies claimed the existence of "extermination camps" of which there was not a single one in Germany. For years visitors to the Dachau concentration camp were shown "gas chambers" where as many as 25,000 Jews were allegedly killed daily by the SS. Actually, the rooms displayed were dummy chambers that the US military had forced imprisoned SS men to build after the capitulation. A similar case involved the notorious Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, where 50,000 inmates were supposedly murdered. Actually, about 7,000 inmates died during the period when the camp existed, from 1943 to 1945. Most of them died in the last months of the war as a result of disease and malnutrition -- consequences of the bombings that had completely disrupted normal deliveries of medical supplies and food. The British commander who took control of the camp after the capitulation testified that crimes on a large scale had not taken place at Bergen-Belsen.---"


Mark Weber om Bergen-Belsens dokumenterade historia:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n3p23_Weber.html

"---More than 9,000 Jews with citizenship papers or passports from Latin American countries, entry visas for Palestine, or other documents making them eligible for emigration, arrived in late 1943 and 1944 from Poland, France, Holland and other parts of Europe. During the final months of the war, several groups of these "exchange Jews" were transported from Axis-occupied Europe. German authorities transferred several hundred to neutral Switzerland, and at least one group of 222 Jewish detainees was transferred from Belsen (by way of neutral Turkey) to British-controlled Palestine. (note 2)

Until late 1944 conditions were generally better than in other concentration camps. Marika Frank Abrams, a Jewish woman from Hungary, was transferred from Auschwitz in 1944. Years later she recalled her arrival at Belsen: "... We were each given two blankets and a dish. There was running water and latrines. We were given food that was edible and didn't have to stand for hours to be counted. The conditions were so superior to Auschwitz we felt we were practically in a sanitarium." (note 3)

Inmates normally received three meals a day. Coffee and bread were served in the morning and evening, with cheese and sausage as available. The main mid-day meal consisted of one liter of vegetable stew. Families lived together. Otherwise, men and women were housed in separate barracks. (note 4)

Children were also held there. There were some 500 Jewish children in Belsen's "No. 1 Women's Camp" section when British forces arrived. (note 5)

During the final months of the war, tens of thousands of Jews were evacuated to Belsen from Auschwitz and other eastern camps threatened by the advancing Soviets. Belsen became severely overcrowded as the number of inmates increased from 15,000 in December 1944 to 42,000 at the beginning of March 1945, and more than 50,000 a month later. (note 6)

Many of these Jewish prisoners had chosen to be evacuated westwards with their German captors rather than remain in eastern camps to await liberation by Soviet forces. (note 7)

So catastrophic had conditions become during the final months of the war that about a third of the prisoners evacuated to Belsen in February and March 1945 perished during the journey and were dead on arrival. (note 8)

As order broke down across Europe during those chaotic final months, regular deliveries of food and medicine to the camp stopped. Foraging trucks were sent to scrounge up whatever supplies of bread, potatoes and turnips were available in nearby towns. (note 9)---"

Mark Weber om Buchenwald:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p405_Weber.html

"---Another French priest and former inmate, Jean-Paul Renard, made a similar claim about the camp in his own book published shortly after the war: "I saw thousands and thousands of persons going into the showers. Instead of liquid, asphyxiating gases poured out over them." When fellow Frenchman and former Buchenwald inmate Paul Rassinier pointed out to the priest that there was no gas chamber in the camp, Renard replied: "Right, but that's only a figure of speech ... and since those things existed somewhere, it's not imporant." (note 24)

In a book published in 1948, Hungarian Jewish writer Eugene Levai charged that the Germans killed tens of thousands of Hungarian Jews at Buchenwald in gas chambers. (note 25)

A widely distributed booklet issued by the Jewish Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith also spread the tale that people were gassed at Buchenwald. (note 26)

In 1960 the Buchenwald gassing story was officially declared a fable. In that year, Martin Broszat of the anti-Hitler Institute for Contemporary History in Munich specifically stated that no one was ever gassed at Buchenwald. (note 27) Professor A.S. Balachowsky, a member of the Institut de France, likewise declared in November 1971: "I would like to confirm to you that no gas chamber as such existed at Buchenwald ..." (note 28) Holocaust writer Konnilyn Feig conceded in her book, Hitler's Death Camps, that Buchenwald did not have a gas chamber. (note 29) Today no serious historian still claims gassings there.---"

En grundlig analys av Mattogno som obarmhärtigt avslöjar substanslösheten i den sovjetiska greuelpropagandan om koncentrationslägret Sachsenhausen:

http://vho.org/VffG/2003/2/Mattogno173-185.html

"Das unweit von Berlin gelegene Konzentrationslager Sachsenhausen - gelegentlich auch Oranienburg genannt - spielt in der Diskussion um den "Holocaust" kaum eine Rolle. Wenn sich Carlo Mattogno in folgendem Beitrag mit diesem Lager befaßt, so hat dies zwei Gründe. Erstens ermöglichen die von ihm sowie Jürgen Graf im Staatlichen Archiv der Russischen Föderation, Moskau, aufgefundenen Dokumente aus Sachsenhausen eine äußerst genaue Bestimmung der Lagerstärke sowie der Sterblichkeit während der Kriegszeit. Die Veröffentlichung dieser Unterlagen ist ein Akt der positiven Geschichtsschreibung, die nicht lediglich Geschichtslügen und Mythen widerlegen, sondern so genau wie möglich ermitteln will, was wirklich geschehen ist. Zweitens ist der Fall Sachsenhausen ungemein aufschlußreich für die Methoden der alliierten, in diesem Fall spezifisch der sowjetischen Greuelpropaganda während der unmittelbaren Nachkriegszeit. Teilweise wird diese Greuelpropaganda bis zum heutigen Tage weitererzählt, denn in mehreren Standardwerken der "Holocaust"-Literatur wird nicht nur die Opferzahl von Sachsenhausen übertrieben, sondern auch behauptet, in jenem Lager seien zahlreiche Häftlinge mit Giftgas getötet worden; ferner hätten die Deutschen dort viele tausend sowjetische Kriegsgefangene in einer Erschießungsanlage ermordet. C. Mattogno weist nach, daß diese Behauptungen jeglicher historischen Grundlage entbehren, und zieht zum Schluß seiner Betrachtungen interessante Querverbindungen zum KL Mauthausen in Österreich.---"


Bolsjevikerna återanvände Sachsenhausen-Oranienburg som KZ-läger efter kriget och lyckades uppnå en högre dödlighetsprocent än nazisterna genom svält och sjukdomar:

"---Somit starben unter dem Sowjetregime in Friedenszeiten in Sachsenhausen 12.000 von 60.000 oder 20% der dort inhaftierten Deutschen. Während der nationalsozialistischen Herrschaft waren in siebeneinhalb Jahren - davon fünf Kriegsjahren - 21.200 Häftlinge umgekommen, was 16% der Internierten entspricht.---"

Är det någon som har hittat bra, utförlig, objektiv information om ghettolägret Theresienstadt? Mabuse?

http://revforum.yourforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=1482

Ett smärre rättegångsutdrag som bekräftar Dachauprocesskandalen, den systematiska misshandel de åtalade utsattes för:


http://revforum.yourforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=1121

"---U.S. Congressional Representative, Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin said:
Quote:

" The Nuremberg Trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history."

- Congressional Record, appendix, v.95, sec.14, 6/15/49

American judge, van Roden:
Quote:

"Statements admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months..The investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head, punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses"

Judge van Roden's allegation of torture to gain "confessions" is confirmed by Texas Supreme Court Judge, Gordon Simpson. He confirmed that savage beatings, smashing of testicles, and months of solitary confinement occurred.
- Congressional Record, appendix. v. 95,sec.12, 3/10/49.---"


Ytterligare en tråd om Dachau, med intressanta fakta om gaskammarlögnen och dess spridande:

http://revforum.yourforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=963

Röda Korsets rapport på 1600 sidor från 1948, som inte någonstans nämner något om några "gaskammare", är ett intressant fenomen (vad har Förintelseförkunnarna att säga om det? ) Håller ni med den galna sionisttanten som var uppe i någon tråd häromdan, om att Röda Korset är nazistiskt?

http://revforum.yourforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=1317&highlight=kaltenbrunner

"---There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.

This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works: Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), and Inter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War (Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Frédéric Siordet, explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in the tradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, and herein lies its great value.

The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention in order to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and Western Europe by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable to gain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify the Convention. The millions of civilian and military internees held in the USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, were completely cut off from any international contact or supervision.---"

Ur bildboken så vi inte glömmer från 1945
" Koncentrationslägren uppfanns av Göring men förbättrades djävulskt av Himmler.Nazisterna trodde att de skulle vara det effektivaste medlet att komma till rätta med motståndare och kverulanter.Gestapo hade makt att arrestera vem som helst bara på anonym angivelse- eller utan angivelse-och utan rättegång eller dom hålla vederbörande inspärrad obegränsad tid.Koncentrationslägrens mening var att oskadliggöra motståndare och kritiker,men efter krigsutbrottet hjälpte lägren i stor omfattning till att skapa "Lebensraum"för Nazianhängare och tyska nybyggare.Särskilt i öster utrotade nazisterna hundratusentals bönder för att deras land skulle tas över av nazister och quislingar.Fångar tranporterades i kylvagnar och tvingades att stirra in i bländande ljus under resan.De fick ingenting att äta och dricka eller uträtta sina behov.Vägarna från stationen till lägren beströddes avsiktligt med skarpa stenar och glasbitar,varpå fångarna fick gå på alla fyra oupphörligt slagna av sina vaktare.Några av fångarna blev vansinniga redan på resan,andra fick häftiga anfall och sköts.Men deras kroppar lämnades kvar i vagnarna bland de levande."

" En vagnslast ungerska judar stannades nära Schwarzenfeld,Nurnberg av sina SS vakter och sköts i grupper påfemtio. Amerikanska soldater tvingade nazisterna på orten att gräva upp liken och begrava dem anständigt.
Inte långt därifrån,vid Homer,fann man 200 krppar av ryska krigsfångar som hungrat ihjäl.Av 22000 fångar i lägret dog hundra om dagen. " (mysiga bilder finns)

" Nazisterna var inte alltför konservativa i sättet att mörda,och nazisterna införde också denna giljotin(bild finns)i Poznan.En del av dem sköttes elektriskt och i Brandenburg fanns en som halshögg 20 personer i taget. "

" Dödlägret Oswiecim i Polen där mer än 3 miljoner människor påstås ha funnit döden i krematorierna och gaskamrarna.Taggtrådsstängslet var elektriskt. " (bild finns)