2026-07-18, 23:53
  #1849
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Det där är en misstänkt fyllepost men okej, ska vi se vad en forskare inom matematisk kvantfysik säger om senaste Chat?
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https://x.com/pozsgaybalazs/status/2078061976186392848
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Ja den sa 0 exakt 0....nolleri noll, kolla på när england krossar argentina istället för att posta skit i ett nice forum.
Om jag så skulle vara dyngrak och nedrök så att jag såg små gröna bögar springa runt så hade jag begripit mer än dig.

Edit: du argumenterar med en wall off text som du ej begriper.
Då ska du begripa min text som svarade på din vägg , jag konkretiserade ned ditt skit som du ej begrep😅
Jävla gök
Vad är det som är" fylleinlägg"? Är det saker du ej begriper(det mesta)
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2026-07-19, 05:38
  #1850
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RandomNPCs avatar
Artificiell Generell Intelligens kan inte vara språkmodeller. De modellerar inte verkligheten. Frågor på det?
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2026-07-19, 09:43
  #1851
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Artificiell Generell Intelligens kan inte vara språkmodeller. De modellerar inte verkligheten. Frågor på det?

4. Why Some See NTP as Evidence of AGI

The argument that NTP alone might lead to AGI is based on several observations and hypotheses:
4.1 The “World Model” Hypothesis

To predict the next token in a highly diverse, high-quality corpus, a sufficiently capable model must implicitly learn the underlying processes that generated the text. This includes:

Grammar and syntax.

Semantic relationships.

Common-sense reasoning (e.g., predicting the continuation of a story requires physical and social intuition).

Multi-step logical reasoning, because training data contains proofs, code, and chain-of-thought explanations.
In this view, the model constructs a compressed, internal world model just to minimize cross-entropy, and that world model becomes capable of general reasoning.

4.2 Emergent Abilities via Scaling

Empirically, as models grow larger and are trained on more data, capabilities that were absent in smaller models “emerge” discontinuously: translation, arithmetic, code generation, theory of mind reasoning, etc. Proponents argue this is not mere memorization—the model generalizes to novel, compositionally complex prompts that never appeared in training, suggesting a form of meta-learning.
4.3 In-Context Learning as a Reasoning Engine

Large NTP models perform few-shot learning purely through forward passes. By conditioning on a prompt that includes examples, instructions, and chain-of-thought demonstrations, the model can solve tasks it was never explicitly trained for. This mirrors the flexibility of a general intelligence that adapts to new problems on the fly.
4.4 The “Predicting the Thought Process” Argument

Some researchers (e.g., Ilya Sutskever) have argued that if you could train a next-token predictor on all the text ever written, including internal monologues and step-by-step reasoning of humans, the model would be forced to replicate the cognitive steps that generated those texts. Predicting the next token of a detailed reasoning trace is equivalent to doing the reasoning yourself. Extrapolating, a sufficiently good NTP model captures the essence of thought.
4.5 “Compression Equals Intelligence” Formalisms

In algorithmic information theory, intelligence can be framed as the ability to compress patterns. A perfect next-token predictor is a lossless compressor of the data stream (via arithmetic coding). If the training data embodies all human intellectual output, then compressing it optimally implies a model that has discovered all discoverable regularities—potentially yielding an AGI.
5. The Counterarguments (Why NTP Alone Is Not AGI)

While the above points are intriguing, many experts are skeptical:

Gap between prediction and agency: NTP models lack persistent goals, memory across sessions, and an intrinsic reward system. They don’t act in the world or learn continuously from interaction.

Shallow understanding: The model can produce convincing-sounding text without grounding in sensory experience or causal intervention. It may be a “stochastic parrot” that blends patterns without true comprehension.

Brittle reasoning: NTP models are prone to hallucinations, logical lapses, and sensitivity to prompt phrasing—failures that suggest pattern matching rather than robust, system-2 reasoning.

Lack of embodiment: Human intelligence is deeply entwined with sensorimotor experience, which pure text prediction cannot replicate.

Variance in definition of AGI: The term AGI itself is contested; many would require continuous learning, autonomy, and generalization far beyond what current NTP systems exhibit.

Conclusion

Next Token Prediction is a deceptively simple objective that has driven a paradigm shift in AI. Technically, it is a maximum-likelihood training of gigantic Transformer decoders on internet-scale text, coupled with autoregressive sampling. In practice, it produces models that display a staggering breadth of capabilities, fueling the argument that a sufficiently scaled and well-trained NTP system might be an early form of AGI. However, the debate remains open: while NTP may be a necessary component of a general intelligence, most researchers agree that additional ingredients—embodiment, agency, continual memory, and robust world interaction—are still missing.
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2026-07-19, 09:50
  #1852
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RandomNPCs avatar
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4. Why Some See NTP as Evidence of AGI

The argument that NTP alone might lead to AGI is based on several observations and hypotheses:
4.1 The “World Model” Hypothesis

To predict the next token in a highly diverse, high-quality corpus, a sufficiently capable model must implicitly learn the underlying processes that generated the text. This includes:

Grammar and syntax.

Semantic relationships.

Common-sense reasoning (e.g., predicting the continuation of a story requires physical and social intuition).

Multi-step logical reasoning, because training data contains proofs, code, and chain-of-thought explanations.
In this view, the model constructs a compressed, internal world model just to minimize cross-entropy, and that world model becomes capable of general reasoning.

4.2 Emergent Abilities via Scaling

Empirically, as models grow larger and are trained on more data, capabilities that were absent in smaller models “emerge” discontinuously: translation, arithmetic, code generation, theory of mind reasoning, etc. Proponents argue this is not mere memorization—the model generalizes to novel, compositionally complex prompts that never appeared in training, suggesting a form of meta-learning.
4.3 In-Context Learning as a Reasoning Engine

Large NTP models perform few-shot learning purely through forward passes. By conditioning on a prompt that includes examples, instructions, and chain-of-thought demonstrations, the model can solve tasks it was never explicitly trained for. This mirrors the flexibility of a general intelligence that adapts to new problems on the fly.
4.4 The “Predicting the Thought Process” Argument

Some researchers (e.g., Ilya Sutskever) have argued that if you could train a next-token predictor on all the text ever written, including internal monologues and step-by-step reasoning of humans, the model would be forced to replicate the cognitive steps that generated those texts. Predicting the next token of a detailed reasoning trace is equivalent to doing the reasoning yourself. Extrapolating, a sufficiently good NTP model captures the essence of thought.
4.5 “Compression Equals Intelligence” Formalisms

In algorithmic information theory, intelligence can be framed as the ability to compress patterns. A perfect next-token predictor is a lossless compressor of the data stream (via arithmetic coding). If the training data embodies all human intellectual output, then compressing it optimally implies a model that has discovered all discoverable regularities—potentially yielding an AGI.
5. The Counterarguments (Why NTP Alone Is Not AGI)

While the above points are intriguing, many experts are skeptical:

Gap between prediction and agency: NTP models lack persistent goals, memory across sessions, and an intrinsic reward system. They don’t act in the world or learn continuously from interaction.

Shallow understanding: The model can produce convincing-sounding text without grounding in sensory experience or causal intervention. It may be a “stochastic parrot” that blends patterns without true comprehension.

Brittle reasoning: NTP models are prone to hallucinations, logical lapses, and sensitivity to prompt phrasing—failures that suggest pattern matching rather than robust, system-2 reasoning.

Lack of embodiment: Human intelligence is deeply entwined with sensorimotor experience, which pure text prediction cannot replicate.

Variance in definition of AGI: The term AGI itself is contested; many would require continuous learning, autonomy, and generalization far beyond what current NTP systems exhibit.

Conclusion

Next Token Prediction is a deceptively simple objective that has driven a paradigm shift in AI. Technically, it is a maximum-likelihood training of gigantic Transformer decoders on internet-scale text, coupled with autoregressive sampling. In practice, it produces models that display a staggering breadth of capabilities, fueling the argument that a sufficiently scaled and well-trained NTP system might be an early form of AGI. However, the debate remains open: while NTP may be a necessary component of a general intelligence, most researchers agree that additional ingredients—embodiment, agency, continual memory, and robust world interaction—are still missing.
Hur går det med din AGI? Tror mer på den idén. Har bara inte studerat den.
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2026-07-19, 09:56
  #1853
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Hur går det med din AGI? Tror mer på den idén. Har bara inte studerat den.

Har fastnat i en implementeringsfälla.


Försöker som satan att få någonting att funka, men det finns liksom ingen signal på att det någonsin kommer göra det.


Så det är egentligen helt meningslöst, men lik förbannat är jag där.



Men, ja...får väl gå tillbaka till de saker som verkligen fungerar.
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2026-07-19, 10:02
  #1854
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DAGGER[X]s avatar
Linus Linux Torvalds sätter sina potatisar med AI. Fast han kanske saknar den IT-kompetensen som krävs för att förstå att moderna LLM bara gissar ord. Kan någon expert här på forumet kontakta honom och leda honom rätt kanske?
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Yes. And no, that's not the position of the Linux kernel. I realize that some people really dislike AI, but this is an area where I'm willing to absolutely put my foot down as the top-level maintainer. Linux is not one of those anti-AI projects, and if somebody has issues with that, they can do the open-source thing and fork it. Or just walk away. AI is a tool, just like other tools we use. And it's clearly a useful one. It may not have been that "clearly" even just a year ago, but it's no longer in question today.
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/CAHk-=wi4zC+Ze8e+p3tMv8TtG_80KzsZ1syL9anBtmEh5Z40vg@mai l.gmail.com/
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2026-07-19, 10:07
  #1855
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Har fastnat i en implementeringsfälla.


Försöker som satan att få någonting att funka, men det finns liksom ingen signal på att det någonsin kommer göra det.


Så det är egentligen helt meningslöst, men lik förbannat är jag där.



Men, ja...får väl gå tillbaka till de saker som verkligen fungerar.
Det kanske aldrig blir generell intelligens, endast språkmodeller som kallas AGI. För på något sätt måste man efterlikna en hjärnas funktionssätt och få ett fungerande gränssnitt till verkligheten.
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2026-07-19, 10:13
  #1856
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Det kanske aldrig blir generell intelligens, endast språkmodeller som kallas AGI. För på något sätt måste man efterlikna en hjärnas funktionssätt och få ett fungerande gränssnitt till verkligheten.

Mja, men jag hamrar i olika tidsskalor baserat på ERI.


T1-T7, men det fungerar inte.
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2026-07-19, 10:18
  #1857
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Linus Linux Torvalds sätter sina potatisar med AI. Fast han kanske saknar den IT-kompetensen som krävs för att förstå att moderna LLM bara gissar ord. Kan någon expert här på forumet kontakta honom och leda honom rätt kanske?
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/CAHk-=wi4zC+Ze8e+p3tMv8TtG_80KzsZ1syL9anBtmEh5Z40vg@mai l.gmail.com/
Språkmodeller har vissa intressanta emergenta förmågor men det är synd att kalla det för simulerad intelligens som ett kausalt tänkande system skulle ha.
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2026-07-19, 10:47
  #1858
Medlem
Visst, det kanske låter bisarrt om man nämner AGI i samband med LLM's.


Men vad är det som säger att det inte skulle gå?

Just nu experimenterar jag emd knasiga koncept inom området.

"""
LUMINA AGI SEED
A self-improving, emotionally-aware language model that matures through
user interactions. It integrates EC4's emotional core, Lumina2's language
capabilities, and a safe self-modification engine inspired by RecursiveSelfImprover2.

The model uses emotional feedback (affection, valence, arousal) to guide
which aspects of its code to evolve, enabling it to grow into a genuine AGI.
"""
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2026-07-19, 10:55
  #1859
Medlem
kaerakels avatar
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Linus Linux Torvalds sätter sina potatisar med AI. Fast han kanske saknar den IT-kompetensen som krävs för att förstå att moderna LLM bara gissar ord. Kan någon expert här på forumet kontakta honom och leda honom rätt kanske?
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/CAHk-=wi4zC+Ze8e+p3tMv8TtG_80KzsZ1syL9anBtmEh5Z40vg@mai l.gmail.com/

Älskar Linus. Det var en väldigt bra mailtråd från en pragmatisk GOAT-kodare.

Men förklara gärna din ironi. Linus erkänner LLM:er som ett bra verktyg -> omöjligt att en LLM ”bara kan gissa ord”? Sjukt nog är det just precis det den gör.

Ska väl också tilläggas att han är goat inom ett helt annat område än djupinlärning.
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2026-07-19, 10:55
  #1860
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Visst, det kanske låter bisarrt om man nämner AGI i samband med LLM's.


Men vad är det som säger att det inte skulle gå?

Just nu experimenterar jag emd knasiga koncept inom området.

"""
LUMINA AGI SEED
A self-improving, emotionally-aware language model that matures through
user interactions. It integrates EC4's emotional core, Lumina2's language
capabilities, and a safe self-modification engine inspired by RecursiveSelfImprover2.

The model uses emotional feedback (affection, valence, arousal) to guide
which aspects of its code to evolve, enabling it to grow into a genuine AGI.
"""
AI med skärm och tangentbord är ju mest knas så. Inte speciellt människolikt heller. Men lycka till.
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