Jordan Peterson uttalar sig om Rysslands krig mot Ukraina

We are now several months into the conflict with Russia. I say “we” because we are all pretending here in the West that the real war is between Russia and Ukraine but (nod nod wink wink) if we clandestinely,
in some sense, provide full support to Ukraine then maybe the Russians, foolish and backward as they are won’t notice and we can simultaneously pretend that we aren’t flirting with the prospect of a long, arduous
and inconceivably destructive war

But one of the primary justifications for a war, perhaps, is that we have something to gain. I see that we have little to gain in the current situation, and certainly much we could lose. Russia is a nuclear power,
and we run the very real risk of backing them into a corner. And that, bad as at is, is only one of many the options for disaster that currently face us.

The Russians are a nuclear power. The Russians have a sphere of influence. The Russians are already integrated into the world economy in a manner that cannot be compromised without devastating global consequences. And, all protestations to the contrary: none of us give a damn about Ukraine and never have (remember the Holomodor?

I cannot see how we can defeat the Russians, in any real sense, because they will not allow themselves to lose; because the consequences even of an overwhelming military victory for “our side” will be internationally disastrous; and, finally, because the quarrel that lies at one part of the bottom of this war will not disappear at all and may even worsen even if the Russians somehow “lose.”
It is not obvious that while that war of ideas continue that the Russians will even allow a prosperous Ukraine, allied more closely with the West, on their border. And it’s wishful thinking to imagine that this war will end with the ignominious departure of a Putin in disgrace. Not only is he popular, but he is arguably much less terrible than almost any leader that has preceded him for a century in Russia. That may be damning with faint praise, but it’s something necessary to understand in relationship to the promulgation of any naïve and foolish optimism.

Perhaps the declaration of Ukraine as a neutral state for a minimum period of twenty years.

First: Skyrocketing energy prices: I firmly expect oil prices to hit $300 a barrel, or worse, in the upcoming year or two.
Second: Severe food shortages or even famine for a minimum of 150,000,000 people, and substantial pressure on the price of basic necessities even in the developed countries (as, for example, Ukraine alone produces 20% of the world’s high-grade wheat and will soon be unable to ship that food, or to store what will be this year’s much diminished crop).
Mass migration: the countries most affected by the aforementioned food shortage will be precisely those North African and Middle Eastern nations from which the last mass migration that so stressed Europe (to say nothing of the emigrants themselves). Expect immense mass movements of desperate people by November of 2022 and all the exacerbation of religious and nationalist tension and internal polarization along political fracture lines that accompanies a sudden and uncontrollable influx of people.

We cannot do without the Russians on our side here in the rest of the Western world. The Chinese communists loom, too (remember them? We haven’t even discussed this side of the problem).

We are now several months into the conflict with Russia. I say “we” because we are all pretending here in the West that the real war is between Russia and Ukraine but (nod nod wink wink) if we clandestinely,
in some sense, provide full support to Ukraine then maybe the Russians, foolish and backward as they are won’t notice and we can simultaneously pretend that we aren’t flirting with the prospect of a long, arduous
and inconceivably destructive war

But one of the primary justifications for a war, perhaps, is that we have something to gain. I see that we have little to gain in the current situation, and certainly much we could lose. Russia is a nuclear power,
and we run the very real risk of backing them into a corner. And that, bad as at is, is only one of many the options for disaster that currently face us.

The Russians are a nuclear power. The Russians have a sphere of influence. The Russians are already integrated into the world economy in a manner that cannot be compromised without devastating global consequences. And, all protestations to the contrary: none of us give a damn about Ukraine and never have (remember the Holomodor?

I cannot see how we can defeat the Russians, in any real sense, because they will not allow themselves to lose; because the consequences even of an overwhelming military victory for “our side” will be internationally disastrous; and, finally, because the quarrel that lies at one part of the bottom of this war will not disappear at all and may even worsen even if the Russians somehow “lose.”
It is not obvious that while that war of ideas continue that the Russians will even allow a prosperous Ukraine, allied more closely with the West, on their border. And it’s wishful thinking to imagine that this war will end with the ignominious departure of a Putin in disgrace. Not only is he popular, but he is arguably much less terrible than almost any leader that has preceded him for a century in Russia. That may be damning with faint praise, but it’s something necessary to understand in relationship to the promulgation of any naïve and foolish optimism.

Perhaps the declaration of Ukraine as a neutral state for a minimum period of twenty years.

First: Skyrocketing energy prices: I firmly expect oil prices to hit $300 a barrel, or worse, in the upcoming year or two.
Second: Severe food shortages or even famine for a minimum of 150,000,000 people, and substantial pressure on the price of basic necessities even in the developed countries (as, for example, Ukraine alone produces 20% of the world’s high-grade wheat and will soon be unable to ship that food, or to store what will be this year’s much diminished crop).
Mass migration: the countries most affected by the aforementioned food shortage will be precisely those North African and Middle Eastern nations from which the last mass migration that so stressed Europe (to say nothing of the emigrants themselves). Expect immense mass movements of desperate people by November of 2022 and all the exacerbation of religious and nationalist tension and internal polarization along political fracture lines that accompanies a sudden and uncontrollable influx of people.

We cannot do without the Russians on our side here in the rest of the Western world. The Chinese communists loom, too (remember them? We haven’t even discussed this side of the problem).

We are now several months into the conflict with Russia. I say “we” because we are all pretending here in the West that the real war is between Russia and Ukraine but (nod nod wink wink) if we clandestinely,
in some sense, provide full support to Ukraine then maybe the Russians, foolish and backward as they are won’t notice and we can simultaneously pretend that we aren’t flirting with the prospect of a long, arduous
and inconceivably destructive war

But one of the primary justifications for a war, perhaps, is that we have something to gain. I see that we have little to gain in the current situation, and certainly much we could lose. Russia is a nuclear power,
and we run the very real risk of backing them into a corner. And that, bad as at is, is only one of many the options for disaster that currently face us.

The Russians are a nuclear power. The Russians have a sphere of influence. The Russians are already integrated into the world economy in a manner that cannot be compromised without devastating global consequences. And, all protestations to the contrary: none of us give a damn about Ukraine and never have (remember the Holomodor?

I cannot see how we can defeat the Russians, in any real sense, because they will not allow themselves to lose; because the consequences even of an overwhelming military victory for “our side” will be internationally disastrous; and, finally, because the quarrel that lies at one part of the bottom of this war will not disappear at all and may even worsen even if the Russians somehow “lose.”
It is not obvious that while that war of ideas continue that the Russians will even allow a prosperous Ukraine, allied more closely with the West, on their border. And it’s wishful thinking to imagine that this war will end with the ignominious departure of a Putin in disgrace. Not only is he popular, but he is arguably much less terrible than almost any leader that has preceded him for a century in Russia. That may be damning with faint praise, but it’s something necessary to understand in relationship to the promulgation of any naïve and foolish optimism.

Perhaps the declaration of Ukraine as a neutral state for a minimum period of twenty years.

First: Skyrocketing energy prices: I firmly expect oil prices to hit $300 a barrel, or worse, in the upcoming year or two.
Second: Severe food shortages or even famine for a minimum of 150,000,000 people, and substantial pressure on the price of basic necessities even in the developed countries (as, for example, Ukraine alone produces 20% of the world’s high-grade wheat and will soon be unable to ship that food, or to store what will be this year’s much diminished crop).
Mass migration: the countries most affected by the aforementioned food shortage will be precisely those North African and Middle Eastern nations from which the last mass migration that so stressed Europe (to say nothing of the emigrants themselves). Expect immense mass movements of desperate people by November of 2022 and all the exacerbation of religious and nationalist tension and internal polarization along political fracture lines that accompanies a sudden and uncontrollable influx of people.

We cannot do without the Russians on our side here in the rest of the Western world. The Chinese communists loom, too (remember them? We haven’t even discussed this side of the problem).